Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2009, at 7:04:46
In reply to I believe Jesus will save everyone., posted by Michael83 on July 1, 2009, at 4:19:59
> I have over the past few years been in a long battle with myself over religion. The struggles of intellect and logic with modern Christianity have caused a conflict of confusion in my mind in searching for what is right. Today I would like to share what has been shown to me.
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> I will be brief. I have read long and highly referenced writings based on this with detailed scriptural references. However my posts will be to explain it, not as much to convince you of it.
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> Firstly, the topic of free will first and foremost has troubled me. I do not find any logical understanding of how this mechanism can operate. I reserve the right to be incorrect on this matter, but I also find much Biblical documentation that I think implies that free will is non existant either.
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> Furthermore, the Bible specifically says "Jesus is Savior of the world." The world includes all people. Moreso, the Bible says "As in Adam all die, so in Christ all shall be made alive." This excludes no one.
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> Additionally, the Bible says that "Anyone who loves is born of GOD and knows GOD."
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> Has any one human on this earth never in their entire life loved? I doubt you would find such a person.
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> The Bible also says that "whoever sins is of the devil." If all have sined, are all of the devil?
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> Let me explain. The Bible says there are two vessels. A vessel of Honor and dishonor....made from the same lump. Such is man, one lump, but two vessels.
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> As I said will not go into detailed references, but from what I have consistently gathered, inside each of us (save those whom the LORD has healed)....
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> ....there are demons living in our flesh. Flesh cannot inherit the KINGDOM.
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> But man is more than flesh, man is a soul. The flesh we are bound and held captive by. As Paul said, "who will deliver me from this body of death?"
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> Paul spoke of this in Romans 7:21-24. Paul said that when he sins, it is not he that does it, but the sin that dwelleth within him.
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> What will become of this situation? I will explain.
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> Jesus spoke of this in the Parable of the Wheat and tares. Matthew 13:24-30
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> Read closely at the passage above. Who put the tares there? It also appears the tares cannot be torn up because they are bound with the wheat. For now, in each of us, exists the evil, which resides in our flesh, but will be cast out where out true souls can shine.
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> This was also reitterated with Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:50-55. Paul said "we will be Changed." All of us will.
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> I have seen Biblical evidence for this over and over again. Furthermore, logically it makes philoshopical sense.
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> I believe 100% that Jesus will save everyone.Michael83,
You wrote,[...Jesus xxx save yyy...]
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean by {save}. If you could post here what you are mweaning by that, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
You wrote,[...Jesus xxx...]
I am unsure as to which Jesus you are wanting to mean in relation to what your conception of Jesus is. If you could post here the identification of the Jesus that you are wanting to mean as your perception as to what or who Jesus is, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
You wrote,[...I can not find any xxx yyy understanding of how this mechanism can operate...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean concerning then those that do find a xxx yyy that allows it to operate in their thinking. If you could elaborate more on this, then I could have a better understanding of what you could or could not be wanting others to believe about those people that do find a xxx yyy for that to operate and respond accordingly.
You wrote,[...in Christ xxx yyyy be made alive...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean by that. Could you post more about what {alive} means to you here?
You wrote,[...anyone who loves...]
Could you post here your understanding of what love entails in relation to the verse that you cited?
Lou
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