Posted by Lou Pilder on August 12, 2008, at 21:54:07
In reply to Re: Lynn, An answer. Long. » Dena, posted by rayww on August 11, 2008, at 22:04:49
> > This misunderstanding of the words of Jesus (as well as the timing, the relevance, and the intended audience/timeframe), have been the source of much pain for many people who are outside the religion of Christianity, to include, to a huge extend, the Jews.
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> > I cannot fathom why this was left, unsanctioned, to continue to cause harm to others.
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> > Yes, I understand the context of the post, that Dee is here describing how that very misunderstanding has caused her to be harmed by the same institution (Christianity).
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> > But, how can some be sanctioned for speaking of what constitutes anti-Semitism, while this post has been allowed even as it speaks of what constitutes erroneous Christian understanding?
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> > Shalom, Dena
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> I'm not certain exactly what you are saying Dena. Salvation belongs to Jesus because he created it. Other religions do not believe in Salvation. Let them believe in whatever they will, whether it is reincarnation, paganism, or whatever else. We in America believe in freedom of religion, and that has done well for America. Look at us.
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> Is Salvation mentioned in the OT? In what context? Jesus invented/created the idea of salvation. It was Jesus who invented/created resurrection too. If we were to give credit where credit was due, everyone would fit somewhere. No one would be left out of anything, because if Jesus is real, if He invented salvation, if what He says is true, then we will all see Him one day, and have the privilege of working out our salvation from there with Him. If He is not real, then we have nothing to worry about because when we're dead we're dead.
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> In the mean time, it would be good if we tried not to totally mess up our life here.
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> God has told us a few hints on this too. Like, Love the Lord, don't kill anyone, use sex appropriately, don't steal, envy, lie, cheat, or bear false witness. Eat properly, take care of your body, spirit, and mind.
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> Many people live a celibate life and seem to get along all right. what about the woman or man who through no fault of their own doesn't meet and fall in love with a person they want to marry? What about the person who takes an oath of celibacy?
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> Every one of us lives with our own personal challenges, none of which needs to keep us from salvation, if that's what we believe. It is good to believe in something, whether its Jesus and salvation, or some other form of belief. Belief is what gives us hope, and hope is connected to faith. Faith is connected to God. Do we need to connect the dots to find it for ourselves?rayww,
You wrote,[...Other religions do not believe in salvation...If (Jesus) is not real...when we're dead we're dead...]
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean by what you wrote here. If you could clarify the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accirdingly.
A. In,[...other religions do not believe in salvation...], by what authority do you use to state that?
B. In,[...if (Jesus) is not real...when we're dead we're dead...] could there be an explanation different from that, that could be unbeknownst to you?
C. other aspects not stated
Lou
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