Posted by liliths on December 9, 2006, at 11:53:23 [reposted on December 10, 2006, at 23:43:15 | original URL]
In reply to Re: non-opiate replacement for hydrococone? TO ALL » liliths, posted by Quintal on December 9, 2006, at 10:43:53
Hi Q,
you have simply been amazing. Interestingly, at the dose I take, the hydrocodone is quite energizing, helps me focus and seems to also effect my motivation. I'm more willing to do things which, in turn, make me feel better.
The Kratom won't show up in a drug test?
It sounds like it really might be effective. I've also been looking at Lamictal - I don't know much about it but it did look like something worth trying. Having you bring it up only confims my interest :)
I'm thinking about perhaps discontinuing the buspar and possibly even the wellbutrin. I've titrated off buspar 3 times in the past 5 years and every time felt a distinct increase in my depression - it never did anything for my anxiety but definitely seemed to augment the ADs. But considering my current condition, it might be worth taking a look at changing meds since I'm having to change one of the most important.
and yes, I know, only one at a time LOL
My pdoc was great about teaching me how to do trials. He had to, considering how resistant I was to the ADD diagnosis - I was worried about it as I loved methamphetamine when in high school - I guess I was afraid about the potential for abuse. Though in looking back, NOW I can so clearly see how ADD has affected my life and I've never had a problem on any of the meds - never interested in more. I probably couldn't handle it at my age anyway LOL I'm an old lady now, despite my fairly high level of fitness. And I was obviously using it even back then to self-medicate
what's bad now is that he has become totally resistant to changing my regimen. I went to him recently about changing some of AD's and he wouldn't hear of it! Weird.
Well, he's going to have to now that I have to stop the hydrocodone. Just have to convince him about Lamactil, if it looks as promising as I hope.. it certainly sounds like it might be worth a tryI did self-medicate many years ago with cocaine. I wasn't on any meds then and cocaine seemed like the perfect anti-depressant. What got me into trouble with it was that it was also the main party drug with the people I was hanging with. We both know the end of that story, right? LOL I had to put it down and not touch it again before I got into trouble. I know I was lucky. What I find so surprising is that some of those people are still doing it... we're talking over 20 years ago!!
I can buy the oxycotin without a prescription? I'll definitely check out all your links. Thank you for providing them again in one place. I made a document out of it.
and you're right... it does sound like I may be able to use quite a small dose of the Kratom and the expense would be well worth it if it worked
I really can't thank you enough for all the trouble you've taken... I haven't been able to get off the couch today, feeling so sorry for myself. Getting your email has been galvanizing!
namaste,
lilith> Hi Liliths,
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> Kratom made me feel much like I do on opiates, but less sedating and sometimes energizing. I felt warm inside and completely at peace. I was using it mostly as a high occasionally at weekends like most people use alcohol to relax. I hadn't really thought of using it daily for anxiety and depression though there's no reason why you can't - like people use Kava for anxiety. I did once put some powdered leaf into a capsule as a sleep aid and slept deeply. I am going to get some more myself.
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> Kratom does seem to be mildly addictive and habit forming as you would expect for an opiate-like substance, but withdrawal seems less traumatic than with traditional opiates like the hydrocodone you're already taking.
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> All the info on oxytocin, including web links are on the link to the thread I posted earlier. I'll put them here again for convenience: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20061110/msgs/704011.html
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> You can buy oxytocin spray here: http://www.verolabs.com/product.php?UID=2006112308022688.110.78.59, http://www.verolabs.com/. I can't get it because I have no credit card right now.
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> You can buy kratom here: http://www.iamshaman.com/eshop/10Browse.asp?Category=Kratom. I don't particularly like this site because there are a few dubious claims made over some of its products, but it is one of the few head shops that supply Kratom in the US. I think it should be reliable as far as the Kratom is concerned.
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> I would recommend buying one of the stronger extracts as you get more mileage out of them. It sells for about $8.99 for 28g and an average dose to get high is about 3-6g. I suspect you would need much less as a daily supplement for depression and anxiety. I don't know what you consider expensive, but I guess anything that helps you get your license and living the lifestyle you've worked so hard for is pretty valuable in itself? I've read it's possible to augment the effect of opiates and prevent tolerance by adding Lamictal if you can tolerate it.
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> Q> I used to mix the Kratom leaves with vodka and sometimes heat it a bit to extract the active ingredients. The finished liquid is dark brown and has an oily film that is transparent when warm, but seems to condense and turn white when cool - much like milk in coffee.
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> It had a numbing effect on my mouth and throat - a bit like coke. I did feel a little nauseous afterwards, but that is normal with opiate-like substances. The feeling of peace and warmth came on after about 30 minutes and lasted for something like four hours. There was an afterglow that lasted into the next day.
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> I recommended Kratom to a friend that also posts here under the name Mcanxious. I think he would be willing to report his experience if you think it would help.
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> Q
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