Posted by Dr. Bob on December 17, 2013, at 19:48:47
In reply to Re: Lou's response- Lou's Little Shoppe-lrnfrme, posted by alexandra_k on December 16, 2013, at 15:39:59
> > You consider me to be violating your values because I'm allowing Lou to post whereas you wouldn't? I could accept that. Reasonable people can disagree.
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> No. Did I say anything about allowing Lou to post? My issue is allowing him to post things no one else would be allowed to post.OK, I'll rephrase that:
You consider me to be violating your values because what I'm allowing Lou to post you wouldn't? I could accept that. Reasonable people can disagree.
> I've shown my therapist previous posts by Lou ... I can't imagine he'd want me anywhere near a place that allows intimations of violence towards me, without sanction.
Have you asked your therapist what he wants?
> Well, if this is a homeless shelter that only protects the homeless, I hope you're happy when everyone you don't consider homeless walks off.
Going back:
> > Why can't I be included in the net of protection that Lou has with you? (You can't deny that you give him protection from other posters.)
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> > PC
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> Think of me as a homeless shelter. You can't be included because you're not homeless.Sorry, I didn't mean to think of Babble as a homeless shelter. I'll rephrase that:
Think of the net of protection I can provide from other posters as a homeless shelter.
> And I have to say, shielding myself against Lou is not my biggest problem. Shielding myself against the fact that you are aiding and abetting abuse towards me and towards 10der and towards others is something I will never ever be able to do.
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> You are abusing us by providing an environment where abuse is allowed, even encouraged.
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> I wouldn't even want to try to shield myself from that. Why should I?I could understand other posters having a strong desire to be included in my net, to be cared about and protected by me. And instead feeling I'm leaving them to fend for themselves.
> I'm literally shuddering, literally convulsively trembling, from distress, and crying even after a Risperdal. You are hurting me, Dr. Bob. But maybe you should hurl some more sh*t at me and see if I make it through the crucible or crack in the furnace.
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> You disgust me, Dr. Bob.
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> And I disgust myself. Anyone with a modicum of self respect wouldn't ever come to a site where they are threatened with the full knowledge and implied consent of the moderator.You don't disgust me. I see you as hurting, but persevering.
That was an interesting reference, to The Crucible:
> > The Crucible is a 1953 play by the American playwright Arthur Miller. ... It is a dramatized and partially fictionalized story of the Salem witch trials ... Miller wrote the play as an allegory of McCarthyism, when the U.S. government blacklisted accused communists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_crucible
Do you see yourself in the role of witch or accused communist? I don't.
> Will this be part of your next research papers? What is the topic? Changing the moderation of an internet bulletin board?
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> DinahI suppose it could be. Change is Slow: Shifting the Focus of Moderation in an Online Community?
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> > The claim by Dinah could be understood by a subset of readers that what I post here is doing a fine job of inducing hatred of me.
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> What percentage of people on Psycho-Babble would you guess hate you?
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> I am vehement in my disagreement with you on many issues. However, this does not make me hateful of you as a person.
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> - ScottExactly. It's a hypothetical scenario of low probability.
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> it does frighten me how the group can turn on someone who is a bit different / who they feel they can't control.
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> i feel that groups have turned on me and i have empathy for you that it often seems to me that there are many voices here of people trying to change you.
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> alexandra_kLou could be seen as someone who is a bit different and who others feel they can't control (and I'm choosing not to control). Like a witch, or a communist.
Has anybody else ever felt seen as different than others, or that others wanted to control or change them?
Bob
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