Posted by Lou Pilder on November 11, 2013, at 6:07:52
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to former deputy 10derheart-cmplcty, posted by SLS on November 11, 2013, at 2:25:54
> Complicity?
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> Complicity with Dr. Bob?
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> Complicity with all of the other moderating deputies?
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> Complicity with all of the other Pycho-Babble forum members?
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> Complicity with the Devil?
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> Perhaps 10derheart was chosen as a deputy because she had sufficient mental health to take on a responsibility that was designed to enhance civic harmony. She sacrificed the sense of safety that can be found in inaction and invisibility. She was strong enough to aid in the moderation of forums that were often contentious. She accomplished her goal, and did so with kindness. She bullied no one.
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> I don't like the way Lou Pilder treats 10derheart. In this case, I think his behavior detracts from, rather than enhances, civic harmony. I don't think that the linkage of deputization with antisemitism is healthy. It is almost as if there is an attempt to rewrite history in an effort to assign blame. Is 10derheart an easy target? No way! She is much stronger than any Internet bully.
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> One thing that Lou Pilder often does is to allow some passage of time before attempting to revisit an argument that he previously lost. He ignores them as if they had never occurred. This is how he effects his circuitous manipulation of the posting environment. I will not so easily be duped by time. I no longer wish to aid in the perpetuation of this cycle. I will not answer the same questions over and over again. I will not revisit previously resolved issues. Nor will I engage in arguments that have already been made.
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> Be strong. You know who you are.
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> - Scott
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> Friends,
The issue now concerns the deputies involvement in that there are anti-Semitic statements that could be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive. This is all because those statements stand without sanction so that a subset of readers could think that they are supportive because Mr. Hsiung states that support takes precedence and that one match could start a forest fire so he does not wait to sanction what is not supportive. So some could think that unsanctioned posts are supportive according to Mr. Hsiung. But could those people also think that those anti-Semitic statements are considered to be supportive by also the deputies of record when those statements were posted?
Then the question could arise as to if or if not by leaving anti-Semitic and anti-Islamic statements to stand by Mr Hsiung and his deputies, constitute a crime? That depends on the jurisdiction that Mr. Hsiung and his deputies then find themselves in. In some jurisdictions, Mr Hsiung and his deputies would have their heads cut off for allowing statements that insult Islam. One of those statements is in discussion here that says something like:
[...Christianity is the only religion that has a path back to the Father...]. The statement insults Islam, Judaism and all non-Christian religions that do have a path back to the Father. The statement puts down Jews and others so it is an anti-Semitic statement. In some Islamic states, death to Mr. Hsiung and his deputies and anyone else that is in concert with them to allow the insult to Islam to stand, instead of denouncing those statements that insult Islam, could have their heads cut off.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/016-insulters-islam.htm
As to if it is a crime elseware, a jury would need to determine that based on the totality of the circumstances. One circumstance used is if the libel of the Jews or others is *inciting* to do harm or incite death toward a Jew or other groups where a hate crime is involved. Here there is a post where the poster wants death to come to me and is not directly addressed by Mr Hsiung or his deputy. It is conceivable to me that there could be a subset of readers of that post that could act out the wanting of me to be dead. I base this on the historical records where Jews were advocated for death and the advocating of death to the targeted person was not stopped by the leader, so a subset of people could think that the advocating of death to the one targeted is state-sponsored. This is compounded by that there is no denunciation by the members also of the poster wanting death to come to me. There are other factors that you can search the cases where people have been convicted of hate crimes and how those that helped in the hate were also convicted.
Now Mr Hsiung states that:
[...But being supportive takes precedence. Mt approach to civility is, it doesn't matter if someone really believes something--or to some extent even if it is true--IF IT IS INCIVIL, THEY SHOULDN'T POST IT...] (emphasis mine) Robert Hsiung 7-22-02
When I read that by Mr. Hsiung, I took him at his word. And that is something I would think that the deputies know, or should know, since it is part of Mr. Hsiung's policy and one could think that a deputy would know, or should know, what policies they are to enforce. This is one of the aspects of this discussion, as to how could all of the deputies also leave the anti-Semitic statements to stand?
Lou
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