Posted by Lou Pilder on May 8, 2013, at 7:41:41
In reply to Re: feeling powerless, posted by Dr. Bob on May 7, 2013, at 3:46:59
> > > I wonder if seeing me as empowering Lou might be connected with feeling powerless to change how I behave.
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> > Of course it does. This is the crux of the behavioral dynamic that produces the frustration and sense of powerlessness many of us feel here.
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> > Nothing will change.
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> > - Scott
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> > I personally have given up completely on being able to make any sort of difference here.
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> > Dinah
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> There are things I feel powerless to change, too. Does anybody here have any tips on how to deal with feelings of powerlessness?
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> --
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> > I don't like to repeatedly invest the time and energy to contest your same litany of disinformation, exaggerations, and overgeneralizations. Historically, others have contested your assertions without your engaging them in a dialogue.
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> > - Scott
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> Lou may express what some posters fear. What would reassure those posters who feel afraid? If I were frightened of medication, I don't think blocking someone who expressed my fears would reassure me.
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> A reassuring statement could be developed and reused, for example:
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> > Almost any drug will cause death if not managed properly. It is true that drugs in general can cause death. Psychiatric drugs are not unique in this regard.
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> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16294364
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> Still, it takes repeated investments of time and energy to reassure other posters. I can see how that could get old. It takes repeated investments of time and energy to moderate Babble.
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> --
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> > C. There are two standards here, Lou.
> > F. It [may] be good for this community as a whole to leave your notifications outstanding, Lou
> >
> > Lou Pilder
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> Lou,
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> 1. I wonder if you feel powerless to change how I behave. If so, you and other posters may have something in common.
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> 2. In a way, there are in fact different standards, because time to respond to notifications is limited:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#help
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> 3. In a way, it may be good for this community to see that posts by you don't have to be responded to.
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> 4. I should be careful what I wish for, too, but I might address more of your concerns if someone else notified me of them. Does anybody else here share your concerns? The goal here is support. Do you feel supported here? Maybe by Scott?
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> > I'm sorry that you feel hated.
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> > - Scott
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> > Be advised that it is well-known how hate groups are fostered in a community and the horrific damage to the members that the hate induces to those that are in those groups.
> > First, psychologists have studied how hate is formed in a community to make a hate-group. It is not a mystery and you do not have to be a mastermind to foster a hate-group. For hate can be a mask that the hater wares to hide their insecurities. And then the hate elevates the hater above the ones that they are hating, (in their own minds that is). Then the hater solicits others to hate the target so that they can get what they think is validation from others to elevate (falsely) their self-worth and to prevent others from exposing them as having personal insecurities.
> > The haters thinks that they will be empowered by being in a group which they believe becomes a shield to prevent accountability for their acts of hatred. Hate ties the group together with their common cause so that they can debase the object of their hate which they think will bolster their self-image.
> > This becomes fashionable in a group where hate toward others is allowed to stand. The haters blame the victim of their hate to justify the hate. Their minds can be taken over by them falsely thinking that they will be doing good by destroying their target of hate. And then the target is not allowed to stand up to the bullies with hatred toward them.
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> > Lou
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> I wouldn't disagree with the above, though I wouldn't overgeneralize, either. I wonder:
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> 1. What leads one subgroup to become hated instead of others?
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> 2. I could imagine some of those in the hated subgroup starting to hate those in the hating subgroup. Would the above dynamics then also start to apply also to them?
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> 3. How might such a cycle be broken?
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> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,
[...in a way, it may be good for this community to see that posts by you don't have to be responded to...].
I am unsure as to what you do or doo not want posters to be led to believe by what you wrote here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could respond accordingly.
True or False
A. If it may be good, then it also may be bad for this community to see posts by you, Lou, don't have to be responded to
B. By me leaving your posts, Lou, that have requests to me outstanding , then I can control the content as to what I want others to consider to be supportive.
C. By leaving your requests to me outstanding, Lou, then readers could think that the ones that contain statements that you think could arouse anti-Semitic feelings could be thought by some to be supportive and will be god for this community as a whole
D. By leaving your requests outstanding, Lou, others could break my own rules here.
E. By leaving your requests outstanding, Lou, I could have more time to attend to pictures on the top of the page.
F. By leaving your requests outstanding, Lou, then Jews and Islamic people and others could have their faiths insulted and that will be good for this community as a whole.
G. By leaving your requests outstanding, Lou, that could encourage others to have hatred toward the Jews, and that will be good for this community as a whole.
H. By leaving all of the posts outstanding in this link, Lou, I can make it good for this community to think that (redacted by respondent)
Lou Pilder
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