Posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 11:48:44
In reply to Lou's response-antismtzmonintrnt » sukarno, posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 10:34:21
> > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non%20sequitur
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> > I believe a dictionary is handy at times but I digress.
> >
> > "The members here are indoctrinated by Mr Hsiung and his deputy.."
> >
> > I believe there is no evidence of this and that such statements are at the very least counterproductive and could be considered as defamatory. It's regrettable to say the least and I'm truly sorry you feel that way.
> >
> > Dr. Robert Hsiung, M.D. is a health professional in private psychiatric practice who helps people with mental illnesses to recover as much as possible and thus be able to help themselves. He is a professional of high repute. That is definitely neither the attribute of nor the modus operandi of a cult leader, such as L. Ron Hubbard or Jim Jones.
> >
> > I'm sorry you feel the way you do but I humbly ask that you please see things in perspective and seek psychiatric care if need be. This is only a suggestion and I'm sorry if you feel put down as that's not my intention.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sukarno
>
> Sukarno,
> The evidence of an indoctrination by Mr Hsiung and his deputies is self-evident. The indoctrination is accomplished through the control of the content here and designating what is supportive or not, and what is civil or not.
> The indoctrination in my chief concern is the allowing of statements that are antisemitic to stand. This can lead people to think that they are supportive and civil, for Mr Hsiung claims that one match can start a forest fire and that he thearfore does not wait to sanction what is not supportive or civil. He also states something like the following which is used historically to sway people to take their view.
> [...please try to trust me in that I am doing what in my thinking will be good for this community as a whole...].
> This is an appeal to accept what he wants people to think. He wants the members to try to trust him in what he does for it will be good for the group sometime in the future, not now. In this statement , we can arrive at {the ends justify the means} type of thinking which historically is something that Mr Hsiung has made another prohibition to me that prevents me from exemplifying here.
> Now the aspect of leaving a statement that can arouse antisemitic feelings to stand can have many think that not only is it supportive, but sometime in the future it will be good for them because they will be in a better community. The historical record of thoe countries that had a leader that exposed such shows that those countries were pumulted to rubble and millions of their members were killed and the leaders either commited suicide or were executed by the citizens that swallowed th great false hope that their country would be better by trusting the leader.
> This community is indoctrinted by the nature that hate is being directed to me here, antisemitism is allowed to stand and Mr Hsiung calls me The Prince of Death. He also states that it is good for members to think in terms of that Jews do not have Eternal Life and they can not have forgiveness from God. This means that Mr Hsiung allows to post here that the Jewish children that were murderd by those in an era of time that I am not permitted to mention here by his prohibition to me here, do not have forgiveness from God but the murderers do have forgivness because they accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior. The statment that he allows defames all of Judaism and all of Islam and all of Hinduism and all of humanity except those that accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. This means that by allowing it, it is to Mr Hsiung supportive. And he to this day has not responded to my notifications and requests that are outstanding. The indoctrination is further planted in the minds of members for others could think many different things as to why that is true, one being that it is supportive to leave my request outstanding for years so that his perspective will stand for the community to follow and they think that it {will be} good for this community to do so.
> Then there are the posts here wanting to expel me from the community and that is allowed to stand. That can lead to the indoctrination here that Mr Hsiung and his deputy think that it is supportive beause it is unsanctioned.
> The aspect of prohibiting me from posting the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me and by allowing the foundation of hatred toward the Jews to stand, speaks for itself until Mr Hsiung posts replies to my outsnding requests.Let us look at this and see how the indoctrination against the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me is advanced.
> There is a prohibition to me from Mr Hsiung that prevents me from posting the link. You can see the post by going to the search box at the bottom of this page and type in:
> [schleprock, a big hellow from 2012]
> Now many posts will come up and the one in question has Mr Hsiung's prohibition to me and there is the {please e civil} in the subject line.
> Now the indocrinatin by that post is by force. It is {De Jure}, not {defacto}. This then become {state-sponsored}. And when the state sposors what can lead to an indoctrination, and the members accept it, then we have a community that is indoctrinated in what the state sponsors and can follow the leader in his wishes. After all, they think it will be good for them later for the community will be a better place according to Mr. Hsiung's thinking and he asks for members to trust him at that. But it is much more than that. He asks member to {try} to trust him which is greatly different than just to trust him which leads to a deeper indoctrination. Now we have an appeal to authority, and that even if what is asked to try is wrong, he wants members to {try} to trust him. This has historical parallels found in the trnascripts of the cross-examintaions of (redacted by respondent) where the leader was trusted blindly, as to trust him as a God that would be the salvation to the country.
> The world now looks back at that era of time and condemns it. Yet today, statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings are allowed to stand here. I am not the Prince of Death, for death is an enemy and I am here to save lives. The members here that have been killed by the drugs did not have the opportunity to hear from me what I think could have saved their lives because the drugs killed them. I am prohibited here by Mr Hsiung fom posting a lot about these drugs that are facts. If I was to be allowed to do so, then members could have a more comprehensve data base to make a more informed decision as to take these drugs or not. That is part of the indoctrination also. The prohibition to me that I am prohibited from even posting the link here to the prohibition from Mr Hsiung to me. An indoctrination happens when another perspective is suppressed. For those of you that want me expeled fom here, that would keep others from knowing facts from me that could save their lives, prevent a life-ruining condition or addiction and lead them to a life free from being scared of the threat of death from the drugs. Since children are drugged by theparents in collabertion with a psychiarist/doctor, my perspective from a Jewish perspective that is suppresed can not be used by a parent that visits here for information abot these drus, and if the parent drugs their child and the child kills themselves fro the drugs, then the child was deprived by this site of hearing from me by the nature that the parent was deprived. The child did not et a fair assessment of what could kill them. The parent just received an indoctrinaion from here. If they were allowed to know from me what is prohibited for me to post here by MrHsiung, their child may still be alive.
> LouSarkano,
You believe that there is no evidence of an indoctrination by Mr Hsiung here. That does not mean that there isn't one.
Another aspect of the indoctrination you already know as by Mr Hsiung allowing antisemitic statements here to stand which could indoctrinate members to be against Jews and that [..reflects the posting policy here..].
This could easily lead to an indoctrination to have members post hatred toward me here which is evident, and posy hatred toward the Jews which is evident here and those posts remain unsanctioned.
But another deeper indoctrination happens when the leader of the community collaberates with the members to defame me. Now we have a partnership withe the members to inflict emotuional distresss upon me and crate a pogrum to allow all the members to post accusations and hatred toward me here.
Here is such a post Mr Hsiung referrs to me as The Prince of Death...it is thearfore supportive because he says it?
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1029662.html
poster:Lou Pilder
thread:1030126
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1030205.html