Posted by hyperfocus on June 24, 2011, at 21:39:10
In reply to Re: Post with anti-semitic statements, posted by hyperfocus on June 22, 2011, at 23:52:40
There is a tradition from the Suffering Servant songs of Isaiah that the Messiah would be despised and rejected, and while the New Testament contains accounts of Jesus' condemnation by the Sanhedrin and Herod, there are no other independent accounts of Jesus' life that can verify these events. Thus it would be wrong for me to say that historically some Jews hated Jesus. Although Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah and some legal and political process between the Jews and Romans of the establishment ended with the crucifixion of Jesus, the exact relationship between Jesus and Jews is historically unknown as is how much influence the Jewish ruling class had on his conviction and execution. I apologize for making these unfounded historical claims and retract my statement that certain Jews hated Jesus.
The view of Jesus from Maimonides' "Epistle to Yemen" and in the writings by Jewish scholars in the later centuries must be taken in the context of the constant persecution the Jews were experiencing and also do not lend historicity to the claim that certain Jews hated Jesus.
"Ever since the time of Revelation, every despot or slave that has attained to power, be he violent or ignoble, has made it his first aim and his final purpose to destroy our law, and to vitiate our religion, by means of the sword, by violence, or by brute force, such as Amalek, Sisera, Sennacherib, Nebuchadnezzar, Titus, Hadrian, may their bones be ground to dust, and others like them. This is one of the two classes which attempt to foil the Divine will.
The second class consists of the most intelligent and educated among the nations, such as the Syrians, Persians, and Greeks. These also endeavor to demolish our law and to vitiate it by means of arguments which they invent, and by means of controversies which they institute....
After that there arose a new sect which combined the two methods, namely, conquest and controversy, into one, because it believed that this procedure would be more effective in wiping out every trace of the Jewish nation and religion. It, therefore, resolved to lay claim to prophecy and to found a new faith, contrary to our Divine religion, and to contend that it was equally God-given. Thereby it hoped to raise doubts and to create confusion, since one is opposed to the other and both supposedly emanate from a Divine source, which would lead to the destruction of both religions. For such is the remarkable plan contrived by a man who is envious and querulous. He will strive to kill his enemy and to save his own life, but when he finds it impossible to attain his objective, he will devise a scheme whereby they both will be slain.
The first one to have adopted this plan was Jesus the Nazarene, may his bones be ground to dust. He was a Jew because his mother was a Jewess although his father was a Gentile. For in accordance with the principles of our law, a child born of a Jewess and a Gentile, or of a Jewess and a slave, is legitimate. (Yebamot 45a). Jesus is only figuratively termed an illegitimate child. He impelled people to believe that he was a prophet sent by God to clarify perplexities in the Torah, and that he was the Messiah that was predicted by each and every seer. He interpreted the Torah and its precepts in such a fashion as to lead to their total annulment, to the abolition of all its commandments and to the violation of its prohibitions. The sages, of blessed memory, having become aware of his plans before his reputation spread among our people, meted out fitting punishment to him.
Daniel had already alluded to him when he presaged the downfall of a wicked one and a heretic among the Jews who would endeavor to destroy the Law, claim prophecy for himself, make pretenses to miracles, and allege that he is the Messiah, as it is written, "Also the children of the impudent among thy people shall make bold to claim prophecy, but they shall fall." (Daniel 11:14).[48]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism's_view_of_Jesus
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