Posted by Free on November 21, 2010, at 9:22:15
In reply to Re: Proposal for Mechanism for Blocked Posters to Retu, posted by Solstice on November 13, 2010, at 23:38:37
Hey, thanks for taking the time to answer my questions, Solstice.
Free> > I did my best, but to be honest, I wasn't able to get through all of your post. (I don't know if it's adhd or I'm just tired, so my apologies if you've already addressed some of my questions, Solstice.)
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> I know it's a hard post to get through. I wish there was a way to make it easier. And although I want anyone who is interested to read it, the primary reason it's so long and complex is because it's got everything Bob needs to read and consider with respect to finding a way to maintain his civility standards - but doing it in a way that doesn't create long blocks and confict. I'm happy to answer your questions
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> > The first thought I had was what if everyone or most people wanted to be a Civility Buddy?
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> Anyone can and should use Civility Buddies anytime they find their emotions heating up. Whether someone is justifiably hurt about something said, or is angry and feeling impulsive about expressing their anger - checking with a Civility Buddy is always a good idea. People who use Civility Buddies on their own are much less likely to get themselves blocked in the first place. The system I have in mind would not interfere with that. It is meant to have a way for Babblers who got themselves blocked to have a way to repair the incivility, get some guidance on how to 'do it better next time,' and get back into the community.
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> > I think you said you've already marshalled a good number of CBs, but is there going to be a cutoff for a maximum number of Civility Buddies?
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> Well.. it hasn't been me that has pulled together a sturdy bunch of CB volunteers - it's Dinah who has been putting that together. As for a maximum, I can't imagine why there would need to be a maxiumum. There should probably be criteria for serving that ensures the people serving have successfully and reliably managed to demonstrate maintaining civil posting themselves.
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> > Secondly, what if a Civil Buddy became *uncivil*? Then, will that uncivil Civil Buddy be required to have a Civil Buddy, too? Or would he/she need to ask for help from the Civility Buddy Leader or Dr-Bob or Council/Board Members?
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> If a CB becomes uncivil, I would hope that Bob would apply the civility guidelines to them just as he does everyone. If they get blocked, they would need to work their way out just like anyone else. In my proposal, Civility Buddies do not have the authority to Block. CB's are not like Deputies at all. Their biggest power is their ability to influence the community through their modeling of civil postings, assisting anyone who asks for help with civil posting. And in the case of someone who gets blocked, using a CB to repair the incivility is their opportunity to regain posting privileges.
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> > Thirdly, are the discussions between Civility Buddies and the Civility Buddy Leader in regards to the Babblers in "suspension rooms" be transparent (posted on admin threads)?
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> I think all of that will be ultimately up to Bob, but my first instinct is that they should be privately done and only open to the Civility Buddy involved, and probably Bob.. maybe even the Leader, since the CB Leader would need to review the repair before releasing the 'suspension.' I don't think anyone would be served by the process of helping a blocked Babbler being posted on Admin. I'm hoping that a "suspension room" could be built into the Chat Room set up - but in my view, those particular rooms should be limited to access by only the blocked Babbler and their CB.
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> > Fourthly, how are the PBC'd Babblers going to retract, rephrase and apologize if they're in a "suspension of posting privileges mode" and can't post?
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> What a great question! I'm thinking that while they are in suspension, they are communicating with their CB, who is helping them figure out how they got to where they are. Repair (rephrase - apology) would be necessary - just as it is now. They can 'discuss' it privately with their CB in the chat 'suspension room.' Once they have put something together that the CB thinks is appropriate - maybe that would be the time for the CB Leader to review, and if the repair post satisfies Bob's guidelines for repair, then the CB Leader releases the 'suspended' Babbler, and the post goes out. There might be other ways to do it too. And I really don't have any idea what kinds of tools on the site would, or wouldn't, facillitate the process.. that would be something Bob would have to figure out.
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> > Will all the discussions between everyone involved be posted on admin board?
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> I don't think it would be a good idea for the discussions between a Babbler and their CB to be posted for everyone, unless of course the suspended Babbler wants to do that as part of the repair. I think of it as an issue of privacy when we are trying to figure out a mistake we made. We are vulnerable at those times, and privacy during the process itself is important, in my view.
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> > Thanks in advance.
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> You are very welcome, and thank you for such great questions!
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