Posted by Lou Pilder on June 5, 2009, at 4:38:23
In reply to Re: I love this place despite the rules, posted by twinleaf on June 4, 2009, at 21:14:52
> Alex still has it right. Often, things go reasonably well here. But it is still shocking and hurtful when blocks are issued without warning, are given for statements where the poster in question is unaware of hurting anyone and did not mean to do so, and when they are rapidly escalated in a punitive and destructive manner. It is no accident that many of us have therapists who are appalled by the inconsistent and vindictive way that Bob administers blocks. In a forum devoted to mental health, Bob's actions stand out to them as falling far short of what they would hope to see in a professional mental health administrator.
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> If I understood her properly, Alex wanted to be understood for sharing some of these feelings I mentioned. It would be useless for her to have a forced apology from SLS, requested by Bob, but unaccompanied by any understanding of why she had said what she did. This is a major failing on this site. Because of Bob's personal cast of mind, rules and directives invariably predominate over understanding, compassion and human relatedness.twinleaf,
You wrote,[...a..destructive manner...vindictive way...useless..forced apology...a major failing...(Mr. Hsiung's) personal cast of mind...].
I would like to hear more that could elaborate and bring out the following. If you could post here the answers to the following, thhen I could have a better understanding of what you are wanting to mean.
A.In,[...a destructive manner...]
1. What gets destroyed?
2. What are the manners that are destructive?
B. In,[...vindictive way...]
1. How do you determine, as to what evidence can be seen, as to if a way is vindictive?
C. In.[...useless..forced apology...]
1. Why , in your opinion, is an apology useless if it is forced?
2. Do you know of the history here of the apology as to when it was first accepted as a way to allow the poster to not be sanctioned by posting that they apologize for what they wrote?
3. In your opinion, is an apology conditional upon the one being apologized to, to accept or not the apology?
4. Are you aware of that a generally accepted way for an apology to be accepted is that two conditions are to be met? One is that it is sincere and the other that it is sufficient?
5. If those conditions are to be met for an apology to be a way to have a member avoid sanction here, how could those conditions be evaluated as real or not?
6. If those conditions could not be validated here, could you email me with what you think the administration's thinking is concerning the aspect of them allowing a member to post an apology, which could then set up a situation where the member could avoid a sanction that could otherwise be issued if they did not post an apology? I ask for you to email me for I am unsure if one could be allowed to post what one thinks another means here.
D. In, [...a major failing...]
1. What is the major failing? If the goals of the forum are for support and education, could those be what the failings are about?
2. If those are the failings, then could you list some of the consequences to the members here that could happen to them?
3. If those are the failings, what remedial action do you think is required to remdy the situation so that the failure could be corrected?
4. In you opinion, could there be consequences to some members here that could not be remediated? If so, what could those consequences be?
E. In, [...Mr. Hsiung's..mind...]
1. Mr. Hsiung writes something like that he wants members to put forth some effort to trust him in what he does because in his thinking he does what will be good for the community as a whole. Are you aware of the historical parallels concerning what Mr. Hsiung wants members to try to do? If so, could you post here somethging from your perspective concerning his statement in his TOS here?
2. In your opinion, could the outstanding requests by me to the administration that are posted here still unresponded to as per the TOS here, also be part of the {failings}? If so, could you post here as to the reasons as in a mental heath community why?
Lou
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