Posted by Dr. Bob on April 11, 2009, at 13:21:43
In reply to Jury System mentioned earlier - please address » myco, posted by myco on April 9, 2009, at 10:26:36
> > Would anyone miss Jade? Would anyone miss Verne? If so, this is an opportunity...
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> Of course we would miss them. I don't understand what the heck the opportunity is. ... I don't really think they have been out of line myself. But that is my humble opinion such as it is.> I can also see how it might get the poster trying to help them blocked. It seems like an opportunity could turn out to ban more than just those you are singling out.
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> I don't know I just get uncomfortable about this.
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> But I would MISS them.
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> rskSorry about not being more clear about what opportunity I had in mind. I think I see what you mean, supporting them by posting something else uncivil could get the supporter blocked, too, but that wasn't the kind of support I had in mind:
> Would any of you be willing to try this out?
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> Show Jade how she might interpret things more charitably. Encourage her to apologize. Help her avoid being blocked.http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090302/msgs/889029.html
Sigismund did follow up on that:
> Bob, have I got this right?
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> You are saying that if I really care about Jade and Verne's oncoming blocks, that is, if I want to show my care and concern, that I should approach them and advise them on the form their apology and rephrasing should take?I think just about any apology would be a step toward working things out. I wouldn't see the form as critical.
> > Show Jade how she might interpret things more charitably.
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> I tried to do that
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> > Encourage her to apologize.
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> No. That does strike me being a little like mob mentality.
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> This whole conversation and the subtexts, the feel and the assumptions and whatever else....this really sucks.
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> This is not bringing out the best in each other, not by a long shot.
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> So what is it?
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> SigismundThanks for trying. Seldom, I appreciate your volunteering to help, too.
I wonder about mob mentality. I did mean "encourage" and not "harass" or "pressure". Though I guess encouragement from a mob could be experienced as pressure. But there's hardly a mob doing that here. If anything, it seems to me *not* encouraging them to apologize might be more consistent with individuals seeking safety in this "herd".
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> Where do you come up with thinking that we would feel "shameful" if we follow your suggestions? What if we don't think your ideas are worth following? Does that taint things?
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> FayeroeVerne brought up shame, so I've been wondering what role it might be playing here.
That's a good point, reasonable people can disagree, and particular posters might feel changes in policies that affect everyone are more important than helping two particular posters to avoid being blocked.
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> You mentioned to me, personally, that a subject indicating a potentially offensive joke can be helpful for those who may take offense....YET i've seens no firm agreement from you that this is acceptable and will result in "immunity" from warnings/blocks.....we talk and talk but you dont actually act. This issue, the subject line for jokes, was right in front of your nose....I'd like to hear you actually say yes that is acceptable (since you agreed) and will result in immunity. Thats so easy to do....how come it hasnt been done? Baby steps...please
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> MycoSorry, but I don't think it should necessarily result in immunity, because certain jokes may be so offensive that it's better if they're not posted at all.
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> It may seems silly but considering this stalemate is made up of various opinions on both sides why not this...
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> A court or trial by jury system made up of posters and participants from the admin side who will both look at someones post and consider it from various angles/perceptions for how it may be taken. A quick lil vote, so to speak. Of course youd have to take into account any inherant bias in such a system but i'm sure we could put something together ya know. At least in serious cases here ya know. I think something like a 52 week block is absurd... ... A case like that should definately be considered from both sides.
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> myco52 weeks is definitely a long time, so some sort of extra process might make sense, but I do think inherent bias would be significant, since supporting other posters is such a value here.
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> muffled got a damn RAT in her attic....argh...I can hear it. HATE rats.
> Goto go set trap.
> I like alla Gods creatures, but not when they cr*pp*ng in my attuc.
> YUK.
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> MuffledIt can be hard when you want to be accepting, but have to draw the line!
Bob
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