Posted by Marty on September 7, 2008, at 23:19:49
In reply to Re: What is the opinion of the community on this? » Nadezda, posted by gardenergirl on September 7, 2008, at 20:15:29
PLEASE consider this:
If the thread of Kattwoman would have been deleted or even just moved to another forum section SHE WOULDN'T HAVE RECEIVED HELP AT HER MOTEL ROOM. Because nobody would have discovered her identity and the police would have not known about her. I will not explain exactly how this is for some reasons but let's say that having a group of people caring enough to answer the suicidal user and having some of that group playing 'Colombo\CSI agent' to find the identity and location of the user and then contact the their local authorities with the profile/ID to make sure the user get some helps asap WAS IN THIS CASE WAY MORE EFFECTIVE than only having the owner of this web site to act on the situation.
(And FYI, while the reaction speed and the quality of the intervention wasn't exactly what you would expect from an expert who authored some published papers and a book about his experiences running this site in order to 'teach' his peers on how it's done ... he DID tried to act on the situation...)
Other reasons for NOT deleting any of those threads are that it could, possibly, trigger the suicide .. as the sufferer could take this as rejection or "another proof that nobody cares" etc ... I don't get it people: THIS IS A COMMUNITY FOR PEOPLE WITH MENTAL DISORDERS AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SUPRESSING ACCESS TO THE COMMUNITY IN TIME OF SUICIDAL CRISIS ? For what ? The advantages of letting the thread are dwarfing the inconveniences. I'm disapointed by some comments I saw here.. simply desolating to read. I saw someone here talking about his/her 'Selfishness' ?! This is a place where you give and receive.. and there's no better timing to receive than when you're suicidal. Nobody ask you to act upon those threads.. it's your right to do or think whatever you want about those threads but it's the priviledges of some others to be able to do something about it. I think it's not pretty when you come to think we should suppress the priviledges of the one who suffers and the one who wants to help the sufferers just because you don't want to SEE what's happening because you're not willing/able to do something about it.
Can't believe this is serious.. what's next ? Would you want the media to ban any article/news related to the poorest countries in the world so you wouldn't have to heard about their misery because it makes you feel bad about doing nothing about it .. even after considering that it would prevents other people to DO something about it ? This kind of selfishness as no place in a community like this one. While I'm sensitive to the possible sensitivities of the members of this forum due to his nature, I think we are responsible for what we say when we come in Admin to express our view about how this site should be run.. and this 'selfishness' thing deserve to be denounced.
"Doctor, could you please make sure I'm the only patient in your waiting room when I come to your office ? ...seeing all those sick persons makes me feel bad about not doing nothing for them." .. What about doing something for them by NOT SUPPRESING THEIR OPPORTUNITIES OF GETTING MUCH NEEDED HELP ? ..
[PS: in the next paragraphs 'YOU' means everyone regular members on this site.. NOT the people who said he was selfish.. ]
Oh and BTW, You may disagree with Dr.Hsiung (aka Dr.Bob) about a couple things as I do.. but he's right about having regular community members participating in the day-to-day running of this site. See, this site has been thought as a COMMUNITY with the concept of E-Therapy in mind.. and in this 'therapy' what you give to the group is as therapeutic as what you receive from it. If you can't give what you've been asked for.. that's perfectly okay .. just like in a real life therapy. The one who can give does and the other who can't doesn't and that's perfect like this.
Also.. stop thinking that because this site is run by a psychiatrist, we sufferers are ENTITLED to receive the services it offers or that we should receives those service the way we expect the medical science thinks it must be prescribed: This is 2008.. there's no hundreds years of online clinical experiences and a medecine manual contening 'Best Practices' regarding how to run such a site... We ain't ENTITLED TO ANYTHING HERE ... stop acting like this site is paid by your pocket, your insurance company or the government.. Dr.Bob isn't on the job here so stop whining about the quality of the services he renders us: You're not a customer, familly or someone who give something back to him.. think about it: contrary to EVERY members on Pbbable who receive constantly from this site, Dr.Bob the one who receive THE LESS from this community.. a couple occasional 'thanks' here and maybe some occasional respect from SOME of his peers there.. THAT'S IT .. Also, let's stop acting like this site MUST be run as a DEMOCRACY... with our level of contribution to the day-to-day operations on this site we are previleged to be able to speak and critics so freely. Dr.Bob doesn't owes us NOTHING AT ALL ... in fact we owes some to him. Do you know many psychiatrist who invest his time/money (some peers would even talk about credibility !) into something like this site ? Let's stop acting like this people... Dr.Bob ain't our mother and we aren't giving him NOTHING in return for what he gaves us! Having a PhD in medecin shouldn't ENSLAVE you to give everything you have to the ill and enslave you to perfection in your way of giving .. WE AREN'T Dr.BOB PATIENTS .. we are guests here, we aren't renter .. If you pay for an hotel room you're entitled to clean towels, clean beds etc.. but if your the guest of one of your friend for some time you're NOT entitled to much of anything and don't act like you're at the hotel if someday he ask your help to do the dishes.. Still Dr.Bob couldn't ask a member to participate (ie: to relay an information to a thread) ? .. and he can't share no responsabilities with us under the pretext we are sick ? .. under the pretext of the seriousness of the situations happening on the board ? Why would he be the only one having all this weight on his shoulders ? because he has an effing PhD and that he work as a clinician ? I'm a software engineer who could fix you're computer if you ask me .. but I dare you giving me sh*t because I've ask you to hand me a 'starshaped' screwdriver because I could have reach for it myself .. thinks it's different ? It's not. Doctors aren't either our Mothers, Gods or Slaves.. especially when you're not their patient.
We owes them much more than they owes us, EVEN when we pay them./\/\arty
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