Posted by Dr. Bob on September 15, 2006, at 11:21:17
In reply to Re: some merging of the two worlds, posted by Dinah on September 14, 2006, at 14:35:56
> the deputies ... work hard without a cent and I feel this is not fair to them.
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> PhillipaI'm not sure I'd call it unfair to work hard without a cent, that's what volunteering means, OTOH, I've thought about trying to make some cents for them, too...
> > I'm not sick of anyone.
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> how about moderating in general?
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> you seem to be doing all you can to foster a 'deputy' 'regular poster' divide.
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> alexandra_kI'm not sick of moderating in general, either. And I understand that might be a genuine concern -- and isn't necessarily just a transference response. :-)
I'm not trying to foster a deputy vs regular poster divide, but IMO there is in fact a difference, and I don't want to deny that, either.
> > there may be less splitting
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> Or there'll be the same splitting, but more people on one side of the split. People who came here for support and to be part of something. Not to be separate.
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> I suggest a replacement benevolent monarch with similar ideas of civility as your own.
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> Sustainability is the real key, Dr. Bob. Sustainability.
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> DinahI know it hurts to be attacked, especially when trying to help. I'm sorry that happens, and I appreciate your dedication to this community.
Hmm, maybe the block "multiplier" should be increased for incivility towards deputies?
> Middle way? Dr. Bob, do you want a buddhist monk to be the new adminsitrator? And if there's problems with sustainablity, we deserve to know. It's important to me. I wouldn't mind volunteering to make this project more sustainable, but I woouldn't want to become involved in a way that would compromise my status as post-er and crazy person first and foremost. I don't know how such a thing is possible, or what is needed. Dr. Bob, you shouldn't be shy to ask for help if/when you need it.
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> llrrrpp> The posters did not want to "tattle" on somebody
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> That's why it's important to have an administrator who is seen as having a different status as a poster. As a poster, I often do not want to suggest that another poster is out of line. I often retreat from conflict. I have remorse about turning in a fellow poster, because they come here in the spirit of giving or receiving support. ... there is a terrible danger that something really hurtful may go on for a while and involve many people before it's calmed down and dealt with by someone with authority.
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> llrrrpp> I think Dr. Bob's plan is to rely more on poster reporting, which would mean tattling to some people
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> DinahA Buddhist monk might make a good benevolent monarch. I'd be interested if any of you know one who's available, but that's not the direction I have in mind right now.
Sustainability is a real issue. For one thing, I'm not going to be around forever. I'd like it if Babble were more self-sufficient, so help along those lines would be great. Volunteers are a key ingredient, but as we've been discussing, being a deputy does entail compromise. Those who aren't deputies can help by supporting and helping out those who are. And of course it keeps the community strong just to keep supporting other posters, too.
One way to help out me and the deputies is in fact to notify us of potential problems. Which I realize may feel like tattling, and could in fact be seen as tattling, and as counter our primary mission of support. So some posters won't feel comfortable doing that. I don't think "status" necessarily makes it easier, the deputies don't relish conflict, either. But I think llrrrpp's example was a good one. We weren't aware of the situation, and other Babblers didn't feel comfortable notifying us, but she felt it was important and took the initiative, and a deputy handled it.
Bob
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