Posted by finelinebob on September 1, 2006, at 22:20:56
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to gg » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on August 27, 2006, at 20:21:54
> Below is the URL of the search results I obtained by using the same search terms and the site's scripture search tool. Please note, I inserted a space after "org" in order to avoid posting a link to material that could be considered not civil. The actual URL does not contain that space, and you must remove it in order to access the link.
> [xxx]Well, this might be better fodder for the Religion board, but its context is here, so...
I did do that search, completed the URL as gg suggested, and the only reference in that search regarding Jews killing Jesus is reference #44 to The Book of Mormon 7:5. Taken out of context, as many people might do, it can be seen as antisemitic and used as "justification" of such beliefs.
Reading all the The Book of Mormon (not the Mormon Bible, but that particular book) illustrates that 7:5 is part of a rebuke of how his audience has forgotten that they were once children of Israel, and how their violence has further separated themselves from the true children of Israel. But these are the words of a man -- Mormon, seen as a later prophet within the Judeo-Christian framework.
Further reading -- The second book of Nephi (who was Mormon's father) Chapter 29 is quite interesting. In it Nephi quotes the direct word of God rebuking the Gentiles for their antisemitism: "O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenant people? Nay; but ye have acursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them. But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people." I would think this particular direct relation of the Word of God should illustrate the LDS view on anitsemitism; at least those who hold true to their Covenant.
The context of quotes must always be examined. The shorter the quote, the more important its context. Revealing that context can either show the quote as genuine in the connotation implied, or reveal the use of the quote as a fraud and a misappropriation of its true intent and meaning.
Lou, I'm not going to email you for URLs, valid or not-valid (ie whether anything still exists there) for your evidence. I've taken the time to talk to a number of Mormons doing their missionary service (they have a dormitory and church a few blocks from my apartment here in NYC). I've heard nothing but religious tolerance, respect, and even love for the Judeo-Christian faiths that came before the Church of Latter Day Saints was founded (and the same for those founded after it). They hold the same respect and interest in religions outside this tradition. I've heard nothing but genuine interest in them about finding out about other faiths, given the teachings of their faith.
So, to call for the "reinstatement" of pages illustrating antisemitic statements, particularly misappropriations of The Book of Mormon (the whole thing this time) should give fair weight to how the statements can be construed as anti-Semitic **and** how they are also in their misrepresentation anti-Mormon.
If any wrongs are to be addressed, all wrongs an event caused should be addressed. Would you not think that reasonable?
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