Posted by alexandra_k on July 10, 2005, at 23:57:28
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob: Revise your DNP written rules in the, posted by crushedout on July 10, 2005, at 22:36:42
> I have to agree with Tamara. The irony of you, alex, saying "DNP means DNP" seems overwhelming.
I'm afraid I don't see the irony.
I've learned something in the process. And what I've learned can indeed be summarised: DNP means DNP. I guess it is the unpacking of that that can be hard, though.> And the whole point of the current controversy is (1) it's not clear at all when we get to use the DNP (I guess you're saying we should be allowed to whenever we want? it's not clear)
That is a seperate issue to the next one. I would say that any concern over that should be directed to Dr Bob. Not directed to the issuer of the request because... DNP means DNP.
>and (perhaps more importantly, in the Larry/Em case, or just in general) (2) once there is a DNP, what *is* violating it? do you have to use the word "you"? can you talk about the person as much as you want as long as it's clearly in the third person?
It depends on whether it is posting to the poster or whether it is not a post to the poster. There can be an ambiguity. I think I have learned that it is better to err on the side of caution. If you want to say something then you have to be VERY careful that your post isn't interpreted as being a post to the poster who has requested you not post to them.
> it's not clear cut at all, which is why so many people are upset about larry's block, i think. and i don't understand how you saying "DNP means DNP" makes any of it clearer.Right. Sorry I couldn't help clarify. I just think people should worry a little less about picky interpretations of the rules and take a little personal responsibility for their posts. If a post is ambiguous and you get blocked for it well then one has the opportunity to learn that one should be more careful. One does have to be very careful. The line between directed and non-directed can be fine. But if in doubt: don't post it. Or send it to a civility buddy for their opinion. Or send it to Dr Bob for his. If everyone just aimed to post posts that were unambiguously not to posters who had requested they not post to them then there wouldn't be a problem.
I think I'm going to leave this issue now.
As gg is so fond of saying 'the wheels on the bus go round and round'. I'm not sure that this discussion is all that productive.
Its a shame... There could be some benefit to working out a list of ways that we can help people and indeed help ourselves to avoid blocks...
But then it is so much easier to go round and round...
And so very hard to break the cycle.
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