Posted by Crazy_Charlie on November 3, 2004, at 16:50:04
In reply to Lou's response to Crazy_Charlie-wtpst » Crazy_Charlie, posted by Lou Pilder on November 3, 2004, at 16:29:40
Yes, sure
the post where you are referring to this post: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/2000/20040626/msgs/403804.htmlThe reason I am asking is that I have a course in ethics when it comes to prevention of suicide, and one of the things that are discussed there ar amongst other open mentioning of suicide. We are clearly differing between someone writing about 1. suicidal thoughts specifying what they are going to do, and 2. writings about how a succesful act was done. The number one is important, because it is a warning sign you should consider very very carefully. And it's nothing wrong stating how you think of doing it, since that could be a potential help in later actions to prevent suicide. The courses I had was lead by the very best experts of suicide in Norway, which have developed a therapy for suicidals that is used in several countries (original called Bærumsmodellen). According to their standards your complaint on this womans post is lot more of a crime than what she is writing, simply because you are kicking someone who's already lying down without even specifying what you are kicking her for. Now I know you say that you thought that what you understand anyone else understand... and that is a very dangerous way of thinking, and can in future lead to very dangerous situations for you... please reconsider this thought before someone hurt you in a misunderstanding! Also, the woman who wrote this is clearly in a very stressing situation, and being suicidal probably also severly depressed. Severly depressed people are NOT thinking the same way as not depressed people, and any kind of criticism concerning them will lead them closer to suicide, I think your complain was, to put it nice, irresponsible. And I say that from the standing point of being a clinical psychologist.
That you are later referring to her sarcastic comment so much discussed earlier here that I wont repeat it, I can understand... but in the light of the fact that we are talking about a woman who is so depressed that she is actually considering suicide, I think we are way beyond going to far. If you expect epople to understand what you mean without explaining it, you should really make sure that you are discussing with people that are at the same level as you.
Another thing that scares me a bit is that your reaction seems to get people more aggressive towards you than what should be the purpose... you are by that pushing people away and making them look negatively at the people you are defending... people who wants to fight anti semittism! That is the worst thing you can do, since that is one of the most important fights in the society. Please consider what you write in a big perspective, and you will get so much more back for it.
When it comes to your second complain in that post, her language, I must admit that its probably cultural differences. If you specify exactly what language that is wrong, I might be able to understand you... but both countries I have been living in have very NON restricted language use, Norwegians and Dutch are in a general basis laughing of the funny "BEEP"s that is put in instead of people swering, though I don't find swearing a very intelligent way of using words.
I hope you don't get offended by this, it is certainly not meant offending. Having friends in some of the most threatened ethnic groups in Norway I know how important anti semittism is, but I also see how some in those groups are making people MORE antisemittic, and that scares me. Considering the hostile environment the workld is today, I really find that scary!
poster:Crazy_Charlie
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URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041027/msgs/411232.html