Posted by OddipusRex on December 29, 2002, at 9:20:17
In reply to Re: Court-ordered discussion, posted by Mitchell on December 28, 2002, at 8:24:07
> The process demonstrated in this research project typifies a group process enforced across the nation under the guise of substance-abuse treatment. In the case of drug treatment, pseudo-medical settings are defined by courts, who order defendants into group therapy.How is this group which is entirely voluntary typical of court ordered therapy? PB specifically denies being therapy. It claims its mission as "support and education".
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> Here, the pseudo-medical setting is defined by the pseudo-medical authority of a physician.
I agree that the setting is defined by Bob but it seems to come from his private definition of civility without any pretense to medical justification.
> In drug treatment, private firms operated mostly by former substance abusers attempt behavioral modification procedures that require clients to accept unqualified diagnoses of addiction or acoholism, to embrace disproven notions about addictive personalities, and about the existence of a hypothyesized "higher power." Meta-reviews have shown most of the work attempted in these behavioral modification groups to be inneffective.
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There seems to be a lot of truth in what you say. Have you read "12-Step Coersion" ? (Hope my double quotes work)
> Here, medical authority infers there is some advantage to participating in a group where often harmful processes are only treated as positive influences. There is no reliable science or qualified consensus underlying the procedure. A scientific approach to medical policy related to spiritual matters will consider harm reduction.I really don't see that. Do you think Bob also believes there is some advantage to participating in PSB where positive discussion of faith is forbidden but critical or negative discussion is allowed? And what about people like yr humble poster whose beliefs are not allowed on any board? Do you think Bob actually believes my beliefs are harmful and that's why they are banned? I don't see it that way. It seems to me his main concern is keeping the board itself running smoothly rather than making "therapeutic" decisions about what's best for individuals.
Not saying I agree with him of course.
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