![[dr. bob]](/dr-bob-sm.gif)
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.orgShown: posts 1 to 11 of 11. This is the beginning of the thread.
Posted by Lamdage22 on June 12, 2019, at 10:42:50
So I tried to saw the floor of my gym room and it was a disaster. I have to call a flooring installer. They are 1m&1m mats that work like a puzzle. It doesn't fit so it has to be cut.
I overestimated myself I guess. I don't do that very often
Posted by alexandra_k on June 16, 2019, at 3:15:56
In reply to I need 'the guy' for everything, posted by Lamdage22 on June 12, 2019, at 10:42:50
those puzzle mats are tricky.
i hurt myself and i needed to go to the pharmacist / doctor.
that annoyed me.
i've been learning a bunch of stuff and i realise that i'm useless. i don't know anything. i don't know anything useful.
i didn't know what was wrong.
i thought it might be musculoskeletal. i went to the gym and the instructor encouraged me to do a bunch of thrusters with a fairly heavy weight. i am not used to doing a bunch of them when i'm tired. i am used to doing 1-3 reps with a good break to refresh ATP / creatine phosphate stores between reps. I was expecting delayed onset muscle soreness. i got a very stiff neck with sharp pain when i moved it and a lot of pain lying down because my head was too heavy... tired... maybe confusion... hard to tell...
bacterial meningitis? i could be breeding antibiotic resistent bacteria with my broad spectrum take 'em when i feel like it cystic acne reduction program...
whiplash?
can i smash my spinal cord so it herneates out the disks like how people get cerebellar tonsils herneating out of the base of the brain skull? it felt like that. i was pretty sure... spinal cord injury. i shouldn't be allowed to sleep - right? might have damaged breathing centres... it hurt to swallow. maybe i would choke on my tongue in my sleep...
i probably needed a back board to hold my head.
external fixture by drilling into my skull -- probably overkill...
i didn't know what was wrong.
pulled a muscle?
there was no line of pull, though. not a muscle. fibre orientation. no. maybe a ligament.
i reckon it was whiplash. the doctor was like 'but there is no mechanism'. and i realised she didn't know what it was to properly work at weightlifting. the forces that go through the body...
but i was thinking bacterial meningitis...
i was worried about my spinal cord / brain.
i needed to stay still for a few days. yeah.
i hate it when i feel i have to go to the doctor... and then i go... and then i'm like... why do i have to go to the doctor? i should just do it on my own.
sigh.
yeah.
apparently you can take ibupropen and paracetamol at the same time. or... alternate them or something so you don't overdose on them... i didn't know that. huh.
how is your floor now??
i like those puzzle mat floors.
Posted by Lamdage22 on June 16, 2019, at 4:39:06
In reply to Re: I need 'the guy' for everything, posted by alexandra_k on June 16, 2019, at 3:15:56
Yeah a handyman is visiting me tomorrow. I hope he can do it. Wow it seems like you are into working out heavily. How old are you? I am 30
Posted by alexandra_k on June 16, 2019, at 18:57:26
In reply to Re: I need 'the guy' for everything, posted by Lamdage22 on June 16, 2019, at 4:39:06
Does the handyman guy need to measure the size of your floor and then measure the mats and cut them to fit? Stuff like that can be tricky. My Dad was a builder and I remember him measuring up blocks of wood for this, and that, and getting out the skillsaw...
The gym stuff is just...
This is how you are 'supposed to' do it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-4aWzDp4xU
But I was doing it a little more like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=695Kvok4gaY
Only I have a bit more 'oomph' in my driving the bar up fast over my head and the 'oomph' comes with a bit of a neck snap, I think... I think that was the problem.
I'm 40, I reckon.
I started at the gym when I was 30.
I got really (really really really) into it. I trained like a professional elite athlete for a few years, there. Pushed my body to the limits of my genetic potential, I mean to say. Objectively I was not any good. Because of previous injury together with wrong body-type for the sport together with no natural aptitude whatsoever...
More recently I am mostly sedintary focused on reading / writing. Sigh. That means gym time is mostly trying to undo the effects of poor posture. Activating my abs, particularly. Trying not to overuse injure multifidous (multifidous can do everything since it's chronicly short / tight).
I like the 1 rep max stuff. From many years of smoking, I guess. Not so into the endurance cardio.
I like mimicking sprint drive phase on the eliptical for bursts. Prowler / sled sprints. Olympic lifing or squatting up to 5 reps.
It's the high rep time under tension stuff I need to be careful of... Because I try and 'cheat' by relaxing the tension since that's most efficient for the goal of moving the weight... But the whole point of body pump is to keep the tension and build the pump... I try and do Olymic Weightlifing goal of moving the heavy weights. Which involves relaxing the muscles as much as possible and being efficient with recruitment for the drive phase.
Anyway... I do think I basically whiplashed my neck myself in whip driving up the bar.
Sigh.
My bad.
'Better form' of the bad oly form... For teh different goal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I hope your puzzle mats get sorted okay. Are they soft spongy nice to sit on or are they they hard black plastic ones??
Posted by Lamdage22 on June 17, 2019, at 5:20:25
In reply to Re: I need 'the guy' for everything, posted by alexandra_k on June 16, 2019, at 18:57:26
They are rubber mats. I think it will be okay Yeah i was thinking you are pretty young because you do 1 rep max etc. I cant do overhead press stuff because i immediatelx get impingement of the shoulder
Posted by Lamdage22 on June 17, 2019, at 6:42:37
In reply to Re: I need 'the guy' for everything, posted by Lamdage22 on June 17, 2019, at 5:20:25
I like 3x8 . I havent done a single 1 rep max in my life. I am scared of injury
Posted by alexandra_k on June 17, 2019, at 17:11:39
In reply to Re: I need 'the guy' for everything, posted by Lamdage22 on June 17, 2019, at 6:42:37
Most people aren't able to lift their arms up properly over their heads.
Shoulder impingement, yeah. There is often something that is preventing the scapula from rotating the way it needs to properly align the joint so one can do the movement without impingement.
Sometimes it can help to get a lacross ball (I actually prefer a high bounce rubber ball because it has the right amount of give to encourage the muscle to give) and roll it along the spine of your scapula to help loosen up some of those muscles of the rotator cuff.
T spine extension also becomes a problem for people. People have a natural inclination for the spine of the curves to become hyper-curved later in life. My lumbar spine wants to become hypercurved and hang off of chronicly tight multifidous. I need to work very hard to try and get my thoracic spine hinging properly along with abdominal engagement.
The Olympic Lifting (even just the bar) is something I do, now, mostly with the intention that I just keep doing it, because I worked so very very very very hard to be able to do it, in the first place. I don't work on increasing my 1 rep max, anymore. My squat was limiting after about 1 week of honing my form. My squat is limited (as an I never managed to front squat more than 55kg and other women in my weight class at national level are squatting over double that)... By my lack of ankle dorsiflexion which means I can't get my *ss properly under the bar to use my glutes to drive it up properly. I'm out of alignment. It is good work / training for my muscles, but I'm at such a disadvantage with my levers...
I liked Dan John all the way back... He said something about how the best exercise cues are often lies. But they are things you say and hearing them gets the athlete doing what you want them to do. SOmetimes you need to imagine or try and do the impossible. He also really liked exercises that were self-correcting. Where your bodies natural inclination is to do it properly. Anyway... I have to work hard to think of hinging my T spine backwards (which orients the scapula and upper back into a backwards bend (with abdominal engagement so you are 'hanging' or 'hinging' from t spine not lumber... It orients your upper body in such a way that you turn an overhead press into a bench press.
That's what the lifters discovered when the overhead press was a contested lift. If you arch your back... Careful to arch from upper back / T spine not lumbar... Then you basically bench press it from a fairly horizonal upper back.
They stopped the lift because it took a lot of training for people to get the postural alignment. If people didn't work for years to have it...
You get the typical yoga hyperextension that you see where people hinge from their lumbar spine. Rather than the back bends you see in gymnastics where people are basically bending from the bottom of their rib cage. A position of strength for those backwards walkovers and the like...
I really like those puzzle mats. Don't underestimate how important it is to get down on the floor and get back up. Over and over and over. So if you fall over one day (or, more likely, when someone knocks you down) then you can get back up. Not be stuck waiting 9 hours for an ambulance. Get up quick before they want to DEXTA scan you. If they do that -- that's your life sentance right there. That or an x-ray to tell you how you are gonna die, soon.
I learned a lot watching youtube of stuff that martial artists (particularly bjj guys) do on their floor work. Animal walks and the like.
I saw Ripptoe give a lecture, recently. On youtube. He looks... Past it. I mean, his heart didn't seem to be in it. He's been in the game for ages now and it looks to me like he's had enough of it but people keep throwing money at him to hear him say the same old stuff he's been saying since forever over and over and over. It's great stuff... But someone else can say it, now, he's said it, already.
It seemed to me that what he needs to do is to pick a new sport. He was going on about how you finish up with your newbie gains and then the over 40 lifter is all downhill... I reckon that's because it is time to pick a new sport.
When I discovered the gym in Aussie the old guys who were really into the weights room were really into it because it was not the sport they trained when they were younger. THey reached their genetic limits for that already and it's only downhill from there. Why would you persist in that? Time to change it up.
So cyclists and AFL players. An Olympic Weightlifter who decided to train up his bench press.
I think Ripptoe needs to do yoga or something endurance... Maybe cycling... That if he started that properly he would experience something like beginners gains all over again...
I think it is time for me to just maintain at the gym and pick something new. Or pick something very different to train at the gym when I have time to train.
I got into swimming in Dunedin and that was pretty good. It was great for my feet flexibility / strength. It was useful for my lungs... The demands on swimmers are a lot different... Years of lung development to exercise without breathing.
I would like a bicycle. They are expensive, though. Even an entry level one.
Posted by alexandra_k on June 17, 2019, at 17:25:03
In reply to Re: I need 'the guy' for everything, posted by Lamdage22 on June 17, 2019, at 6:42:37
The 1 rep max is something that you train for / build up gradually.
I had to work really really really hard to do my first push-up. And the dame for my first dip. And the same for my first pull-up.
Your body gets used to what you do with it. It's doing something different / that it's not adapted for that is likely to injure it.
That's why it is important to do / train lots of different things if you are interested in preventing injury.
That is what I do like about the gym. Seeing people do different things which gives me ideas. Doing classes and doing different things.
It is tempting to do what you are good at / what you know. Because it feels good. Because you can measure / track progress / gains / maintenence. I don't like doing new things because I don't know if I'm doing them right / because they don't feel right / because my body doesn't move the way it should yet. But it is persisting and the body sorting it out... That is useful.
I had to work really really hard to basically get to run on the eliptical.
But now I can and it's easy. So it's time to do something else.
I did a spin bike class and my legs don't go around that fast.
I remember from previously... It takes some time before you basically learn to throw your legs around and then you get them properly spinning instead of stomp stomp stomping. My legs don't spin right now. They don't remember how. I think I need for the muscles that hold the hip into place (the rotator cuff of the hip) to gradually adapt to it / gradually strengthen so I can really fling my legs around on the spin bike safely without throwing my hip out of the socket (a little bit, injuring a ligament or something).
I'm basically Arnie in the pool. Is the joke. The bodybuilder type who thrashes / flails about wildly. Only that wouldn't be true of proper bodybuilders. If you watch them pose... THey hae that level of control over their muscle and the ability to consciously flex their skeletal muscles WITHOUT ANY WEIGHT. THey use weights to help them develop that level of muscular control. It's pretty freaking amazing, actually.
Im' sure I didn't hurt a muscle because there is no line of pull. I mean.. Muscles come in different shapes.... But the spinal ones have fibre orientation and there would be a particular movement (not a movement and it's opposing movement) that would have been affected. Maybe it was a ligament. Are ligaments innervated?? Huh..
Posted by Lamdage22 on June 19, 2019, at 4:31:31
In reply to Re: I need 'the guy' for everything, posted by alexandra_k on June 17, 2019, at 17:25:03
I have some posture Problems, too. Luckily i can do all the basic movements like squat, deadlift and benchpress. I put emphasis on the rear delt and the upper back muscles to fix my posture.
A handyman from Bulgaria fixed my puzzle floor pretty nicely in 3 hours So now i can go at it.
Posted by alexandra_k on July 19, 2019, at 7:40:09
In reply to Re: I need 'the guy' for everything, posted by Lamdage22 on June 19, 2019, at 4:31:31
Nice. Glad to hear about your puzzle floor. Rear delts are important, tis true.
I am going to make time to go to some 'core' group fitness classes. I really need better abdominal activation to help relax my lumber spine and I simply don't do ab work when left to my own devices.
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 27, 2019, at 1:55:09
In reply to Re: I need 'the guy' for everything, posted by alexandra_k on July 19, 2019, at 7:40:09
I do core every time I lift weights. These classes would probably kill my abdominals.
This is the end of the thread.
Psycho-Babble Social | Extras | FAQ
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.org
Script revised: February 4, 2008
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl
Copyright 2006-17 Robert Hsiung.
Owned and operated by Dr. Bob LLC and not the University of Chicago.