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Posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 20:00:33
In reply to Re: Dip that needs refrigerating but didn't get it, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 17:41:51
> if it doesn't smell bad or look mouldy... i think it might be worth a shot. i'm fairly sensitive to things tasting off when i'm worried they might actually be off... so if it tastes okay then it probably won't kill you.
>
> unless its made out of chicken livers or something...
>
> but i guess it isn't so it's probably okay :-)I got nervous after a few bites and put it back, but now Im eating it again becasue of all your advice : ), It hadnt even been opened so I didn't want to toss it. It tastes and smells fine, except for these little gren fuzzy things... maybe they are a vegetable ; ) j/k
Posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 20:13:38
In reply to disgust as emotion » 838, posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 19:58:28
> Off the top of my head lol I'd say, yes if the person feels disgust then it counts as the emotion...
Ok. So... When people have an aversion to food then they probably feel disgusted...
What about when animals (eg rats) show an aversion to food?
(We can't ask them whether they 'feel' anything at all...)
So the problem is...
Whether experiments on taste aversion in rats...
Are relevant to the nature of disgust...?
Posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 20:16:05
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 20:13:38
And on a similar note...
Surprise.
Is that an emotion?
How about
Empathy.
Is there a qualitative experience (a 'feels' or 'seems' or 'experiential property' or 'qualia' or 'phenomenology) associated with empathy - or is it a more cognitive state??.
Back to surprise...
Is a startle response an emotion?
(Is it worth studying startle responses to learn about the nature of surprise or is this too basic to count as an emotion?
?
Posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 20:17:34
In reply to disgust as emotion » 838, posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 19:58:28
PS are the furry green things...
Dammit... Can't remember what they are called...
Marinated / pickled baby vine leaves?
They can feel a bit furry... Some people don't like them. I think they are ok. Better than anchovies...
Posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 21:01:59
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 20:13:38
> > Off the top of my head lol I'd say, yes if the person feels disgust then it counts as the emotion...
>
> Ok. So... When people have an aversion to food then they probably feel disgusted...
absolutely, I do anyway>
> What about when animals (eg rats) show an aversion to food?
>
> (We can't ask them whether they 'feel' anything at all...)
>
> So the problem is...
>
> Whether experiments on taste aversion in rats...
> Are relevant to the nature of disgust...
>
> ?
>
>No Im sure they experience disgust. they feel, you can see it in their eyes. their emotions are differnet in some ways Im sure....
but i also don't know ; )
Posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 21:10:40
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 20:16:05
> And on a similar note...
>
> Surprise.
>
> Is that an emotion?yup
>
> How about
>
> Empathy.sort of, I think empathy activates emotions
>
> Is there a qualitative experience (a 'feels' or 'seems' or 'experiential property' or 'qualia' or 'phenomenology) associated with empathy - or is it a more cognitive state??.hmm, *??* <thats the inside of my brain atm> : ) Its both cognitive and emotional
>
> Back to surprise...
>
> Is a startle response an emotion?yes, its suprise : )
>
> (Is it worth studying startle responses to learn about the nature of surprise or is this too basic to count as an emotion?
>
> ?hmm, is it worth it? I don't know, maybe too basic.
Posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 21:13:03
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 20:17:34
> PS are the furry green things...
>
> Dammit... Can't remember what they are called...
>
> Marinated / pickled baby vine leaves?
>
> They can feel a bit furry... Some people don't like them. I think they are ok. Better than anchovies...
ew lol
I think its mold ; )j/k they wern't really fuzzy, but they were green, peppers I believe...
Posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 21:42:58
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion » 838, posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 21:01:59
hmm...
there is an experiment... they showed these characters (foreign letters / symbols) to people...
then they showed them a whole range (some had been presented before and others were entirely novel).
people tended to prefer the ones they had been shown before.
i don't think that is an emotional exercise...
preference...
preference seems to be the measure of aversion...
but aversion seems to be the measure for disgust...
but just because you prefer one thing...
doesn't mean you are disgusted by the other...i dunno.
kind of interesting...
i think fur takes longer to grow than one night...
i do.
typically... the guidelines are way conservative anyway...
i read somewhere that macdonalds meat patty takes... something like 3 months to show visible signs of mould...
additives and preservatives and so on and so forth...
ew.
but oil and vinegar and salt can preserve too...
i need sleep...
sleep...
Posted by Damos on March 9, 2006, at 21:59:38
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion » LegWarmers, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 21:42:58
> but just because you prefer one thing...
> doesn't mean you are disgusted by the other...Ceeeeeerect. I have an aversion to Brussel Sprouts, and would far prefer any number of things, but they don't disgust me. No, dislike them immensely, but not disgust.
The empathy one is an interesting one though.... not sure, not sure at all.
> i dunno.
>
> kind of interesting...Surely is
Posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 22:15:39
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion » LegWarmers, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 21:42:58
> hmm...
>
> there is an experiment... they showed these characters (foreign letters / symbols) to people...
>
> then they showed them a whole range (some had been presented before and others were entirely novel).
>
> people tended to prefer the ones they had been shown before.
>
> i don't think that is an emotional exercise...
>
> preference...
>
> preference seems to be the measure of aversion...
>
> but aversion seems to be the measure for disgust...
>
> but just because you prefer one thing...
> doesn't mean you are disgusted by the other...
>
> i dunno.
>
> kind of interesting...yeah it is
>
> i think fur takes longer to grow than one night...
>
> i do.ROFLOL
>
> typically... the guidelines are way conservative anyway...
>
> i read somewhere that macdonalds meat patty takes... something like 3 months to show visible signs of mould...
>*gags* ew ew ew
> additives and preservatives and so on and so forth...
>
> ew.
>ew ew
> but oil and vinegar and salt can preserve too...
> i need sleep...
> sleep...
>sleep? Isnt it morning for you?
i need sleep too
Posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 22:19:12
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion » 838, posted by Damos on March 9, 2006, at 21:59:38
>
> Ceeeeeerect. I have an aversion to Brussel Sprouts, and would far prefer any number of things, but they don't disgust me. No, dislike them immensely, but not disgust.But is it an aversion if you aren't disgusted? i think of an aversion as being grossed out or even causing one to throw up at the mere thought of brussel sprouts. they do have a nasty bite to them dont they...
Posted by James K on March 9, 2006, at 22:19:14
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion » LegWarmers, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 21:42:58
First "I'm the twisted bug eater." (sung to the tune of firestarter by prodigy) I confessed to this several weeks ago in a Deneb first time oyster eating thread.
I ate Lamb and Leaks tonight at Shanghai River. I will eat anything that is presented as food, or I'm in the mood for. Doggie treats, potato eyes, mushrooms. etc.
I won't tell you what I am averted to, or disguted at, because i might trigger myself.
James K
Posted by Damos on March 9, 2006, at 22:26:51
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion » Damos, posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 22:19:12
> But is it an aversion if you aren't disgusted? i think of an aversion as being grossed out or even causing one to throw up at the mere thought of brussel sprouts. they do have a nasty bite to them dont they...
Hmm, for an answer to that you'd need to ask someone who had any idea what the h*ll they were talking about which automatically excludes me ;-)
They's just plain yuk!
BTW, I'm very glad that the dip appears to have had no adverse effects. The stuff about the furry green things did have me a teeny-weeny bit concerned.
Posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 22:34:40
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion » LegWarmers, posted by Damos on March 9, 2006, at 22:26:51
> > But is it an aversion if you aren't disgusted? i think of an aversion as being grossed out or even causing one to throw up at the mere thought of brussel sprouts. they do have a nasty bite to them dont they...
>
> Hmm, for an answer to that you'd need to ask someone who had any idea what the h*ll they were talking about which automatically excludes me ;-)
>and me :)
> They's just plain yuk!
>
> BTW, I'm very glad that the dip appears to have had no adverse effects. The stuff about the furry green things did have me a teeny-weeny bit concerned.Im fairly cautious about what I will eat but I was so hungry and it looked too good not to eat, even with the fuzz ; )
no fuzz really...
Posted by wildcard11 on March 9, 2006, at 22:47:24
In reply to Re: Dip that needs refrigerating but didn't get it » 838, posted by James K on March 9, 2006, at 17:45:59
Posted by JenStar on March 9, 2006, at 23:12:11
In reply to Re: Dip that needs refrigerating but didn't get it, posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 20:00:33
so hopefully you don't get salmonella or something, because I'd really feel guilty.
But in case it makes you feel better, I ate some dip that was past the "sell by" date this evening! I ate it with pretzels. Onion dip (old) and pretzels (new.) A yummy combination.
Have you noticed how when dip gets "oldish", it sort of builds up pools of liquid on the surfaces of the creamy area? Is that condensation? Or something far worse?
JenStar
Posted by JenStar on March 9, 2006, at 23:13:35
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion » 838, posted by James K on March 9, 2006, at 22:19:14
I've tasted dog treats before. Kind of bland and wheaty, but not too terrible.
Once I tasted a piece of kitty kibble just to see what it was like. Again, kind of bland, like eating a lot of grain. I'm not surprised that the pets like almost anything else better than their kibble!
JenStar
Posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 23:27:41
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion » James K, posted by JenStar on March 9, 2006, at 23:13:35
one of the lecturers at my old uni ate catfood (jellymeat) in an attempt to get people interested in Nagel's 'what's it like to be a bat' (though in this case 'cat') idea...
the point is that even if he eats cat food...
he doesn't know what it is like for a cat to eat catfood.he had to spit it out. i'm not surprised if the smell is anything to go by...
dried dog food can be okay if it is fairly odourless...
rats typically like sugarwater (as do people i suppose)
one group of rats are sedated and given an injection of saline then first exposure to sugar water... a while later... they like sugar water.
another group of rats are sedated and given an injection that will induce nausea then first exposure to sugar water... a while later... they won't drink sugar water but they will drink water.
they have developed an aversion to sugar water (won't drink it volountarily)
do they feel disgusted in response to sugar water?
this is an experiment that (I think) is supposed to show us something of how 'disgust' can be conditioned...
have been reading about little albert too (the 6 month old infant who was meant to be conditioned to respond to furry white things with fear)... apparantly... the case is typically misrepresented in order to make the theory come out right... to show spontaneous generalisation to new stimuli (furry white things) etc etc... apparantly... he never did develop much of a fear response... just a bit of an aversion... and he still did dispay approach behaviour... and he never did generalise to furry white things (he was conditioned to a brown rabbit or something)
what that means...
it is not clear that you CAN condition phobias...
and even if that was the case... it is not clear that that is the origin of ALL phobic responses...
oh well... such is science ;-)
Posted by wildcard11 on March 9, 2006, at 23:36:18
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion » James K, posted by JenStar on March 9, 2006, at 23:13:35
Posted by Tanzanite on March 10, 2006, at 1:33:55
In reply to Dip that needs refrigerating but didn't get it, posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 16:50:33
Hi Legwarmers (cool name) People are so creative on here. I hope the dip was good and that it didn't cause you any upset. Man we have like nothing in our fridge. Our freezer has stuff, but I don't feel like cooking. So for dinner I had tuna fish sandwiches lol. Stay well and have a great weekend.
Tanzanite
Posted by LegWarmers on March 10, 2006, at 10:00:48
In reply to Re: Dip that needs refrigerating but didn't get it » LegWarmers, posted by JenStar on March 9, 2006, at 23:12:11
> so hopefully you don't get salmonella or something, because I'd really feel guilty.
>
> But in case it makes you feel better, I ate some dip that was past the "sell by" date this evening! I ate it with pretzels. Onion dip (old) and pretzels (new.) A yummy combination.ew!! Im still doing fine, so thats good! : )
>
> Have you noticed how when dip gets "oldish", it sort of builds up pools of liquid on the surfaces of the creamy area? Is that condensation? Or something far worse?
>
> JenStarOMG double ew! lol I have noticed that and thats about when I throw it out lol, I think its something far worse ; )
Posted by LegWarmers on March 10, 2006, at 10:06:37
In reply to Hope you are doing well after eating the dip :) » LegWarmers, posted by Tanzanite on March 10, 2006, at 1:33:55
> Hi Legwarmers (cool name) People are so creative on here. I hope the dip was good and that it didn't cause you any upset. Man we have like nothing in our fridge. Our freezer has stuff, but I don't feel like cooking. So for dinner I had tuna fish sandwiches lol. Stay well and have a great weekend.
> TanzaniteThanks Tanzanite, Im doing well lol My freezer has nothing in it and my fridge at the moment has only rotten dips ; ), I hate cooking
Posted by milly on March 10, 2006, at 14:16:35
In reply to Re: Hope you are doing well after eating the dip :) » Tanzanite, posted by LegWarmers on March 10, 2006, at 10:06:37
Have spent last 36hrs not venturing too far from the bathroom.
My stomach is sore and I'm feeling really sorry for myself, don't know what I ate that didn't like me.
Sorry to whinge
milly
Posted by wildcard11 on March 10, 2006, at 14:22:46
In reply to I feel really ill and I didn't eat the dip!!, posted by milly on March 10, 2006, at 14:16:35
Posted by Tanzanite on March 10, 2006, at 15:49:08
In reply to I feel really ill and I didn't eat the dip!!, posted by milly on March 10, 2006, at 14:16:35
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