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Posted by Shortelise on April 16, 2005, at 13:43:59
Have you already talked this film to death? I watched it last night, and it really got me. I realized how much time I spend hating myself, and what a finking lousy idea that is, and I'm not going to do it anymore.
I went to bed last night telling myself that I love myself, and all morning I've been telling myself how much I love myself.
All of a sudden I get it - and hope I continue to get it - that this is the only life I'll ever have, and I have to live it well, have to make good choices, have to love myself, have to love others, have to have fun, garden, do the things that feel right, think about the things I want to think about, ask questions, strive to be the entire person I am, and not stay in the muck of my past. I want to be in the present.
This feels right. So right. Like a light going on inside my soul, in my mind, a lightening of my Self.
Whaddya think?
If you've already gone over and over this, sorry! If not, "What the bleep do we know" is a film about quantum physics and how it effects reality, our brains and bodies, and it is explained by different people, all very interesting, from varying backgrounds, from psychiatry to theology to physics and beyond, but all converging on the same ideas.
ShortE
Posted by fallsfall on April 16, 2005, at 14:56:33
In reply to Movie - what the bleep, posted by Shortelise on April 16, 2005, at 13:43:59
This movie was really important to me, too.
For me the most important parts were recognizing that I'm addicted to depression, and understanding peptides and why all of that makes it so hard for me to get better.
There are an incredible number of important messages in this film. Sort of something for everyone, as I see it.
I saw it twice in the theatre and bought the DVD when it came out.
Posted by Susan47 on April 16, 2005, at 15:48:03
In reply to Re: Movie - what the bleep » Shortelise, posted by fallsfall on April 16, 2005, at 14:56:33
Can you post a link to your previous discussion fallsfall? I don't know how to do it or I'd put it here.
Posted by Susan47 on April 16, 2005, at 15:50:12
In reply to Movie - what the bleep, posted by Shortelise on April 16, 2005, at 13:43:59
I like your description of the film, you were able to articulate it better than I was when I tried to describe it. I have a question for anybody out there though; is that stuff about the water molecules true?
Posted by Spriggy on April 16, 2005, at 16:45:31
In reply to Re: Movie - what the bleep » Shortelise, posted by Susan47 on April 16, 2005, at 15:50:12
I think the way we perceive ourselves/feel about ourselves is very important to our overall mental health.
I am a Christian and I know a lot of Christians think you are supposed to "hate" yourself because Jesus said to "deny yourself." He wasn't saying " hate yourself." He was simply saying to think of other's as often as you do yourself..
Anyway, I have a hard time liking myself. I tend to like what I DO or how I perform more than WHO I AM. I am learning to do just that... accept me for who God created me to be and just enjoy being myself.
We put waaay too much pressure on ourselves to be "perfect" In order to be accepted.
It's a shame. I hope some day I have conquered this myself.
Posted by fallsfall on April 16, 2005, at 19:31:11
In reply to Re: Movie - what the bleep, posted by Spriggy on April 16, 2005, at 16:45:31
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20041016/msgs/406677.html
I got the book describing the water crystals, but I lent it to my daughter and she took it to college with her. I have since read a book about snowflakes and how they form the way they do. Now I want to read the water molecules one again since I understand the science a little better now. That segment of the movie made the point to me that how we are feeling *does* effect us and our world. And I think that is true whether or not water looks prettier when it is surrounded by love. It also helped me to understand the peptide part better. Because, basically, the peptides are what sends that kind of information to the different parts of your body. Like if you start to get dehydrated, a bunch of things happen all at once - your kidneys produce less urine, you sweat less, you feel thirsty - all of these things are coordinated by these little peptides running around your body. So peptides also have impacts based on various emotions (like the warm glow you feel when you are in love).
"Molecules of Emotion" is by Candace Pratt - she is one of the scientists in the film. It describes the peptide thing really well. I found it a facinating read.
I didn't get the "You should love yourself" message from the movie, though I can see why others would. But I did get a message that I should be more patient with my recovery - that there are physical reasons why it takes time to get better (and physical reasons are always more valid to me than "psychological" reasons...sigh). So, I guess in a way, that *is* the same message - loving myself and being patient with myself are not so far apart.
Posted by KaraS on April 17, 2005, at 0:04:10
In reply to Movie - what the bleep, posted by Shortelise on April 16, 2005, at 13:43:59
I have read that they didn't get all of the science right in the film (though I can't say for sure whether or not that's true). At any rate I wouldn't take the scientific parts as gospel.
I haven't seen it yet, though I want to. I have the feeling that this film is more than just a scientific expose anyway. If it can have such a profound effect on those who have seen it (based on the posts above), then it must be a great film.
Kara
Posted by Gabbi-x-2 on April 17, 2005, at 4:00:49
In reply to Re: Movie - what the bleep, posted by KaraS on April 17, 2005, at 0:04:10
At any rate I wouldn't take the scientific parts as gospel.
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I haven't seen the film either, but I did take a glance at the book about the water molecules a while ago, and the theories seemed pretty dubious to me. I checked into it further and it turns out Dr. Emoto, the author got his doctorate in alternative medicine through the mail.
Posted by Shortelise on April 17, 2005, at 11:00:01
In reply to Re: Movie - what the bleep, posted by Gabbi-x-2 on April 17, 2005, at 4:00:49
I am going to watch it again right now. Then I am going to call a friend of mine who is a nuclear physicist, and a brilliant guy, and talk with him about it. He has always been able to explain anything scientific to me (it used to be his job to explain things to people in gov't).
Thanks for your opinions. I am very disappointed, though - not in you guys, of course! but that the ideas this film presents might be complete hooey.
Isn't that a great word? Hooey!
Thanks again.
ShortE
Posted by Susan47 on April 17, 2005, at 13:43:26
In reply to ok ok ok -all, posted by Shortelise on April 17, 2005, at 11:00:01
THE SECOND YOU FINISH TALKING TO YOUR FRIEND TELL US WHAT HE SAYS
There, did I shout loudly enough? This could be interesting. My first husband, by the way, got his PhD in molecular biology or somesuch from one of those funny universities ... they're not worth very much. Some research is required but as far as I know none of it needs to be backed up with anything other than the writer's imagination. There's no board to challenge the theories presented, to the best of my knowledge. So it looks like you're certified to know something but no true academic institution would take you seriously. NOW THAT'S JUST MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT. Nothing more.
Posted by Susan47 on April 17, 2005, at 13:56:34
In reply to Re: ok ok ok -all » Shortelise, posted by Susan47 on April 17, 2005, at 13:43:26
Oh, defending your thesis. That's it. And the way my ex-#1 did it, is over a period of just a few months .. because he was bored, had nothing better to do with his time. So that says a lot too. And it wasn't molecular biology, what was it now .. something about cancer and free radicals at the cellular level, yes.
Posted by fallsfall on April 17, 2005, at 17:00:59
In reply to ok ok ok -all, posted by Shortelise on April 17, 2005, at 11:00:01
Even if some of the science is "hooey" that doesn't mean it all is. And if we can get something positive out of the movie, I don't particularly care if all of the science is perfect. I have learned things as a result of seeing the movie that have been helpful for me. That's more than I can say about lots of other movies!!!
There is a strong thread in the movie about us 'creating our own reality'. I'm not sure that I buy into that to the degree that they are saying. But I would agree that we *do* have an effect on the world around us - and that because of that we do have some say in how our lives go.
We can takes the parts that are helpful, and leave the other parts behind.
Posted by Gabbi-x-2 on April 17, 2005, at 17:10:27
In reply to Re: ok ok ok -all » Shortelise, posted by fallsfall on April 17, 2005, at 17:00:59
> Even if some of the science is "hooey" that doesn't mean it all is.
If the message "to love yourself" or be "patient with yourself" is what you recieved.. don't let that go. It doesn't matter if the science they chose to present isn't factual, I truly believe there is interconnectedness beyond what we normally consider to be factual. I've seen it! and though I yearn to believe these things I'm very critical observer.
Posted by Susan47 on April 17, 2005, at 20:05:52
In reply to Absolutely! » fallsfall, posted by Gabbi-x-2 on April 17, 2005, at 17:10:27
Yes, I agree with you guys on this one. Definitely. But it's always just nice to know what's proven and what isn't, so that you know what you've based your decisions on, you know? For me, anyway. Sometimes that means I never get to have a firm opinion, because I haven't spent the time finding out the facts. I hate being wrong but I am all the time, don't like it.
Posted by Gabbi-x-2 on April 17, 2005, at 22:04:00
In reply to Re: Absolutely!, posted by Susan47 on April 17, 2005, at 20:05:52
> Yes, I agree with you guys on this one. Definitely. But it's always just nice to know what's proven and what isn't, so that you know what you've based your decisions on, you know? For me, anyway.
Yes the same for me too, and also that way you can be truly amazed by the magic in the world without a doubt, and that's cool
Posted by caraher on April 18, 2005, at 9:32:23
In reply to Absolutely! » fallsfall, posted by Gabbi-x-2 on April 17, 2005, at 17:10:27
On the other thread I posted a link to a site that attacks the physics presented in the movie (which I still have not yet seen). From what I've read pretty much all of the physics content is at best contentious, and at least one person appearing in the film (David Albert) says they edited their interviews of him to present a message diametrically opposed to what he was trying to say.
Nevertheless, there are much better reasons to believe you can change your world for the better than cult-influenced interpretations of quantum theory. If the movie brought you better self-understanding and hope that's great; hang on to that! Take away the postive messages but be wary of the mumbo-jumbo.
Posted by Susan47 on April 18, 2005, at 10:22:00
In reply to Re: Absolutely!, posted by caraher on April 18, 2005, at 9:32:23
That diametrically opposing editing is what news people do all the time. It's what 60 minutes and shows like that hunky guy on 20/20 do. Some have more validity than others. What's that hunky's name.. Stone something. Hilarious. That's like the line from WKRP in Cincinnati, somebody says "I think your name tells a lot about who you are. What was yours, sorry?" "Les"
Posted by Shortelise on April 19, 2005, at 23:26:54
In reply to Re: Absolutely!, posted by caraher on April 18, 2005, at 9:32:23
I'm in a bit of a mess so I'll be coming back to physics and self love later. Soon.
ShortE
Posted by Dinah on April 21, 2005, at 11:46:33
In reply to Movie - what the bleep, posted by Shortelise on April 16, 2005, at 13:43:59
Because I barely understood a word.
Was symbolism involved? I never get symbolism...
Posted by Dinah on April 21, 2005, at 11:58:55
In reply to I must be an idiot, posted by Dinah on April 21, 2005, at 11:46:33
I can't do even the simplest jumbles either.
Posted by Shortelise on April 21, 2005, at 14:43:51
In reply to I must be an idiot, posted by Dinah on April 21, 2005, at 11:46:33
do you mean of the movie or what has been said here?
It's a movie you've got to be in the mood for!
And as you are NOT an idiot, if you didn't follow it, I'd say it just isn't your thing.
ShortE
Posted by Dinah on April 21, 2005, at 15:58:41
In reply to Re: I must be an idiot » Dinah, posted by Shortelise on April 21, 2005, at 14:43:51
Oh, the movie. I was all excited about watching it after seeing it here. But I just stared blankly at the screen trying to figure out what was going on. Even started it over a couple of times to see if I could catch up.
Oh well.
Posted by Susan47 on April 21, 2005, at 16:01:58
In reply to Re: I must be an idiot » Shortelise, posted by Dinah on April 21, 2005, at 15:58:41
I can't understand five minutes of "West Wing" and I feel like a complete idiot .. I'm just simply not interested. So it sounds like it's just not interesting, the way the movie is done. You shouldn't say stuff about being an idiot. Somebody some day will come along and agree with you, then where will you be, laugh out loud. You'd have to. Laugh, that is.
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