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Posted by noa on July 4, 2003, at 18:01:54
Why is there an epidemic of depression and despair in this community right now? It breaks my heart to see so many people suffering so terribly. I mean I know this group always has plenty of depression and angst, but doesn't it seem especially intense right now?
I wish there were something the rest of us could do to send healing to everyone who is in a bad place right now.
Is this just a coincidence? Is there some common contributing factor?
Just hold on, hang on tight, I have to believe there will be signs of hope and relief to come along...
Posted by tina on July 4, 2003, at 19:47:40
In reply to OK, what the heck is going on here???, posted by noa on July 4, 2003, at 18:01:54
I have a lot of contributing factors right now. My depression and anxiety has identifiable causes but there's nothing I can do about them hence the depression and frustration.
I wish us all some peace and hope
T
Posted by shar on July 4, 2003, at 20:05:01
In reply to OK, what the heck is going on here???, posted by noa on July 4, 2003, at 18:01:54
Good question, N.
Wish I knew the answer.
Glad you're doing ok! We need functional people to provide a voice of reason hee!!
Shar
Posted by Gabbix2 on July 4, 2003, at 21:05:36
In reply to Re: OK, what the heck is going on here??? » noa, posted by shar on July 4, 2003, at 20:05:01
You're absolutely right Noa, and I'm speaking for someone else who isn't able to post right now
My depression peaks in the summer, I wonder if there are more of us that suffer from "reverse"
sad than is acknowledged.I'm not always sure if its the sun,
but many depressed folks are poor, and the hot sun, with no relief, poverty, longer days to "get through."
Watching everyone else laughing and eating ice cream while you're wearing hot fall clothing cause you couldn't afford a new summer wardrobe, or you want to cover up medication weight gain. Not being able to buy fresh groceries and still eating starchy food when you crave fruit, and not seeing an end, that hits me hard I'm sure it does others too.I read an article in Newsweek that said the highest rate of suicide for *Bipolar* depressives
occurs in July. I found that interesting because All my attempts have been in July. I'm not there
now, I'm very agitated/depressed though.
Posted by justyourlaugh on July 5, 2003, at 0:07:39
In reply to Re: OK, what the heck is going on here???, posted by Gabbix2 on July 4, 2003, at 21:05:36
wow...
so true, so true.
i have been reading alot of anti-medication books as of late...and really confused...
terrible parinoid i feel this way because of the meds...changed docs today aswell..out of fear..
so confused...
i get real bad in the summer too...i feel it is because i am expected to leave the house and socialize...
wear clothes that expose the past,,,even if it was yesterday,,,
many other self-image demons....
who would have thought zoloft would make me so fluffy?...was told i would "feel"better and "want"to leave my house....
??
j
Posted by galkeepinon on July 5, 2003, at 0:09:19
In reply to Re: OK, what the heck is going on here???, posted by Gabbix2 on July 4, 2003, at 21:05:36
Hi, I read noa's original post then went down the line and Gabbix I saw this. Gosh I hear you about the hide the medication weight gain. I am having the same feelings. I hate it. I was going to post that my thoughts are with all of you who posted under noa's and that I am here for you guys even though i don't know you well. Sometimes I get sad because I'm not married, no kids (just wishes/dreams I have) but then I wonder even if I had those things would everything be peachy? I worry about my future, my family, if i do the right thing, i just worry-a lot period. I get depressed too. There are no guarantees in life-I guess. I'm sure we all obviously have been through our own challenegs, struggles, and pain-our fights, our battles, and our triumphs-yes triumphs. I'm bipolar and after being on so many meds, being in the hospital many times and doing ECT all over the last 7 years-I still wonder about a lot of things.
Anyway, just wanted to let you know my thoughts are with you guys. I'm listening and I'm here for you.gal
> You're absolutely right Noa, and I'm speaking for someone else who isn't able to post right now
> My depression peaks in the summer, I wonder if there are more of us that suffer from "reverse"
> sad than is acknowledged.
>
> I'm not always sure if its the sun,
> but many depressed folks are poor, and the hot sun, with no relief, poverty, longer days to "get through."
> Watching everyone else laughing and eating ice cream while you're wearing hot fall clothing cause you couldn't afford a new summer wardrobe, or you want to cover up medication weight gain. Not being able to buy fresh groceries and still eating starchy food when you crave fruit, and not seeing an end, that hits me hard I'm sure it does others too.
>
> I read an article in Newsweek that said the highest rate of suicide for *Bipolar* depressives
> occurs in July. I found that interesting because All my attempts have been in July. I'm not there
> now, I'm very agitated/depressed though.
Posted by justyourlaugh on July 5, 2003, at 0:22:55
In reply to Re: OK, what the heck is going on here??? » Gabbix2, posted by galkeepinon on July 5, 2003, at 0:09:19
hi...
just wanted to let you know i am married...5 little children...
i am still me...and they add to the guilt of not "being sane" 6 times over...
i try so hard..so many people need me..
...i dont know where i am going with this,,,
i gave something horrible to my 8 year old.
they all love me...times it just doesnt matter.
j
Posted by zenhussy on July 5, 2003, at 0:27:05
In reply to gabb.., posted by justyourlaugh on July 5, 2003, at 0:07:39
> wow...
> so true, so true.
> i have been reading alot of anti-medication books as of late...and really confused...
> terrible parinoid i feel this way because of the meds...changed docs today aswell..out of fear..
> so confused...
> i get real bad in the summer too...i feel it is because i am expected to leave the house and socialize...
> wear clothes that expose the past,,,even if it was yesterday,,,
> many other self-image demons....
> who would have thought zoloft would make me so fluffy?...was told i would "feel"better and "want"to leave my house....
> ??
> jJ,
Zoloft was horrible experience for me many, many years ago. It was the only med that I was not able to give the full six to eight week trial period to.
Wish I could give you hope for better self image. What you have shared here has shown a kind person who is intelligent and witty and full of life despite the demons that might knock at your door.
On the bright side you've been a muse to lostsailor. That alone is something wonderful.
Wishing you peace and a better medication fit soon.
kindly,
zh
P.S. Your comments on my drunken poetry (I'm not sure that my ramblings can even be called that) really meant a lot to me. Thank you for that.
Posted by galkeepinon on July 5, 2003, at 0:34:24
In reply to galk..., posted by justyourlaugh on July 5, 2003, at 0:22:55
I hear ya! That's what I meant-it seems that "something" we're always lookin for comes then when it comes we're always gonna be lookin for that "somethin" else ya know? I'm not sure where I was goin with that hehe
***Keep trying, keep being loved, and remember times it DOES matter
I'm here for ya!> hi...
> just wanted to let you know i am married...5 little children...
> i am still me...and they add to the guilt of not "being sane" 6 times over...
> i try so hard..so many people need me..
> ...i dont know where i am going with this,,,
> i gave something horrible to my 8 year old.
> they all love me...times it just doesnt matter.
> j
Posted by justyourlaugh on July 5, 2003, at 0:46:22
In reply to JYL, posted by zenhussy on July 5, 2003, at 0:27:05
your post tonight meant a great deal to me..
when i was a teen i was hospitalized and my mom came and took the ring she gave me..and didnt come again..
that was 15 years ago...why do i feel so ashamed.
after i was released ,as a family we went to see a pdoc together...mom didnt let anyone speak..she said all was fine,,wont happen again,,
no wonder i feel so small...
rant rant rant...
thankyou zen for posting...
made my night
j
Posted by justyourlaugh on July 5, 2003, at 0:50:49
In reply to Re: galk... » justyourlaugh, posted by galkeepinon on July 5, 2003, at 0:34:24
thanks for you wisdom,,
i too know what it feels to "search"for what we dont have..or atleast,turn in the mirror and see life..
?
sorry galk,,i am a wee bit of a drunk tonight..
peace
j
Posted by galkeepinon on July 5, 2003, at 0:57:08
In reply to Re: galk... » galkeepinon, posted by justyourlaugh on July 5, 2003, at 0:50:49
drunk??!!! hey whatever works!
peace and hang in there!
you got a good spirit!
> thanks for you wisdom,,
> i too know what it feels to "search"for what we dont have..or atleast,turn in the mirror and see life..
> ?
> sorry galk,,i am a wee bit of a drunk tonight..
> peace
> j
Posted by zenhussy on July 5, 2003, at 1:18:31
In reply to Re: galk... » galkeepinon, posted by justyourlaugh on July 5, 2003, at 0:50:49
> thanks for you wisdom,,
> i too know what it feels to "search"for what we dont have..or atleast,turn in the mirror and see life..
> ?
> sorry galk,,i am a wee bit of a drunk tonight..
> peace
> jJ,
I'm a lot bit drunk tonight but hell it is keeping me from the thoughts that plague my mind (ya know death, destruction, despair, etc.).
Good think I took several semesters of typing back in jr. high and high school instead of home ec. and auto shop otherwise my typing would be a bunch of gobbledygook. Like it isn't already?!
Wee bit lot bit. Drunk is drunk and I'm in your boat. Wanna be at the helm? I'm woozy and can't even see straight. Lead the way jyl....
zh
Posted by zenhussy on July 5, 2003, at 1:23:33
In reply to Re:zen, posted by justyourlaugh on July 5, 2003, at 0:46:22
> your post tonight meant a great deal to me..
> when i was a teen i was hospitalized and my mom came and took the ring she gave me..and didnt come again..
> that was 15 years ago...why do i feel so ashamed.
> after i was released ,as a family we went to see a pdoc together...mom didnt let anyone speak..she said all was fine,,wont happen again,,
> no wonder i feel so small...
> rant rant rant...
> thankyou zen for posting...
> made my night
> j
>J,
Hospitalized as a teen as well. Mum tried to smooth things over as well.
Are we twins separated at birth?!!
Drunkenly yours,
zh
Posted by whiterabbit on July 5, 2003, at 10:22:53
In reply to Re:zen » justyourlaugh, posted by zenhussy on July 5, 2003, at 1:23:33
So much tension and despair here lately, emotions cranked up to fifth gear. Still it is good for my heart to see how we're trying to pull each other along through the misery..."We are not humans having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience."
Love to all-
Gracie
Posted by Gabbix2 on July 5, 2003, at 15:53:59
In reply to Re: OK, what the heck is going on here??? » Gabbix2, posted by galkeepinon on July 5, 2003, at 0:09:19
After I posted that, I thought it was way too depressing, but then I should know better, its not as if constantly writing cheery things is going to make us happy right? If only it were as easy as those damn "smile" cards Penny was talking about.
I think anything is manageable when you can see an end but when you don't, or you don't know what the next *surprise* is going to be, its wearing beyond belief.
I admire anyone with kids and depression who copes. I used to be noted for my patience. But
god, one too many poverty ridden hot summers
trying to teach my G.P the A.B.C's of antidepressents (Its impossible to gain more than 5 lbs from zyprexa dontcha know?") and thats not nearly the stupidest thing he's said. I'm not permitted to change Dr's.I was opening a can of cat food for my cat yesterday with a can opener that literally gives me a blood blister on my thumb (really) its so hard to use, and my cat was howling at my feet as he's always done, and I just about smacked him.
It may not be a big deal but its NOT ME..
I sat down in the kitchen with a can opener in my hand crying, looking like a t.v movie of the week waiting for what?
Things to get better? How?
I thought my gosh, how do people with children do it?Oh gosh this started as a thank you and ended as another spiel, I'm sorry, I guess I'm not doing so well, I think I'll submit though I guess it needed to get out.
Posted by justyourlaugh on July 5, 2003, at 16:40:13
In reply to thanks for listening » galkeepinon, posted by Gabbix2 on July 5, 2003, at 15:53:59
gabb,,
let it out..release yourself..
i am listening
j
Posted by Gabbix2 on July 5, 2003, at 16:58:04
In reply to Re: thanks for listening » Gabbix2, posted by justyourlaugh on July 5, 2003, at 16:40:13
That just brought tears to my eyes JYL,
and I felt my shoulders just drop, with that sigh of relief,
Thank you
Posted by galkeepinon on July 5, 2003, at 20:20:53
In reply to Re: OK, what the heck is going on here??? » Gabbix2, posted by galkeepinon on July 5, 2003, at 0:09:19
Hope I wasn't too forward by posting this-I just feel real deep sometimes and wanted to share-sorry if I sounded silly. I just know that these meds and illnesses can be a b$#@! sometimes and wanted to write about it to you-sorry if I was a a bit forward-now maybe I'll go drink some wine
gal> Hi, I read noa's original post then went down the line and Gabbix I saw this. Gosh I hear you about the hide the medication weight gain. I am having the same feelings. I hate it. I was going to post that my thoughts are with all of you who posted under noa's and that I am here for you guys even though i don't know you well. Sometimes I get sad because I'm not married, no kids (just wishes/dreams I have) but then I wonder even if I had those things would everything be peachy? I worry about my future, my family, if i do the right thing, i just worry-a lot period. I get depressed too. There are no guarantees in life-I guess. I'm sure we all obviously have been through our own challenegs, struggles, and pain-our fights, our battles, and our triumphs-yes triumphs. I'm bipolar and after being on so many meds, being in the hospital many times and doing ECT all over the last 7 years-I still wonder about a lot of things.
> Anyway, just wanted to let you know my thoughts are with you guys. I'm listening and I'm here for you.
>
> gal
>
>
> > You're absolutely right Noa, and I'm speaking for someone else who isn't able to post right now
> > My depression peaks in the summer, I wonder if there are more of us that suffer from "reverse"
> > sad than is acknowledged.
> >
> > I'm not always sure if its the sun,
> > but many depressed folks are poor, and the hot sun, with no relief, poverty, longer days to "get through."
> > Watching everyone else laughing and eating ice cream while you're wearing hot fall clothing cause you couldn't afford a new summer wardrobe, or you want to cover up medication weight gain. Not being able to buy fresh groceries and still eating starchy food when you crave fruit, and not seeing an end, that hits me hard I'm sure it does others too.
> >
> > I read an article in Newsweek that said the highest rate of suicide for *Bipolar* depressives
> > occurs in July. I found that interesting because All my attempts have been in July. I'm not there
> > now, I'm very agitated/depressed though.
>
>
Posted by Gabbix2 on July 5, 2003, at 22:45:31
In reply to sorry if I was too forward, posted by galkeepinon on July 5, 2003, at 20:20:53
Not at all! Gosh no, it was so appreciated.
I don't think you could know how much.Those are the kindnesses that keep us from falling apart I think.
Take Care
Posted by galkeepinon on July 7, 2003, at 14:44:16
In reply to thanks for listening » galkeepinon, posted by Gabbix2 on July 5, 2003, at 15:53:59
Hey Gabbix, glad you got it out and yep I'm listening. We can write anything whether its depressing or cheery-whatever you're right.
Where can I buy a smily card? nope it's not that easy unfortunately lol
I think it's impossible to gain more than 3 pounds on Zyprexa dontcha know?
I have an awesome can opener-I wish I could get you one!! So easy on the fingers!!!
I wonder how people with children do it too I get mad at my dog sometimes and swat her and I'm like what if it was my child????? YIKES!!!!Sweet day and peace Gabbix
Gal
> I think anything is manageable when you can see an end but when you don't, or you don't know what the next *surprise* is going to be, its wearing beyond belief.
>
> I admire anyone with kids and depression who copes. I used to be noted for my patience. But
> god, one too many poverty ridden hot summers
> trying to teach my G.P the A.B.C's of antidepressents (Its impossible to gain more than 5 lbs from zyprexa dontcha know?") and thats not nearly the stupidest thing he's said. I'm not permitted to change Dr's.
>
> I was opening a can of cat food for my cat yesterday with a can opener that literally gives me a blood blister on my thumb (really) its so hard to use, and my cat was howling at my feet as he's always done, and I just about smacked him.
> It may not be a big deal but its NOT ME..
> I sat down in the kitchen with a can opener in my hand crying, looking like a t.v movie of the week waiting for what?
> Things to get better? How?
> I thought my gosh, how do people with children do it?
>
> Oh gosh this started as a thank you and ended as another spiel, I'm sorry, I guess I'm not doing so well, I think I'll submit though I guess it needed to get out.
>
Posted by Gabbix2 on July 7, 2003, at 15:27:38
In reply to Re: thanks for listening » Gabbix2, posted by galkeepinon on July 7, 2003, at 14:44:16
Hey, thanks again.
Just cause we chat on the med board, to keep things straight. My G.P is an idiot. He truly is. Once when I was in emergency care he was supposed to send a list of my prescriptions, it took him 3 days, and then he sent a list of meds I'd never been on.
I refused to take them and was listed as a "difficult patient"
He's twice made mistakes that could have been fatal had I not caught them, and I have to
talk to him about medication side effects, though he refuses to believe me (like the zyprexa weight gain, OH AND DEPEKOTE CAUSES WEIGHT LOSS!!!!
I forgot about that. He's like a nightmare doc.
Fortunately I have a former p.doc who is so unbelievably kind and wonderful and even though I'm not his patient anymore, and not even in the same city,
if I'm really having trouble with G.P, he will
give my Dr. a call, and validate what I'm saying
even though he shouldn't have too. He has many letters after his name, so G.P doesn't argue with him.
Of course the fact that I've always been correct should perhaps clue G.P into the fact that maybe I know what I'm talking about but it doesn't.
Anyway, I just wanted to say that, cause I do refer to a brilliant doc, and an idiot doc,
and its not a result of extreme mood swings on my part!!!
Posted by Gabbix2 on July 7, 2003, at 15:31:48
In reply to Re: thanks for listening, posted by Gabbix2 on July 7, 2003, at 15:27:38
Posted by Tabitha on July 7, 2003, at 21:26:19
In reply to OK, what the heck is going on here???, posted by noa on July 4, 2003, at 18:01:54
here's my 2c... to me the 4th of july is like christmas. It brings up a lot of sadness for those of us who don't have stable happy family lives. Plus, hot weather has always aggravated my depression.
Posted by Gabbix2 on July 7, 2003, at 23:31:23
In reply to Re: OK, what the heck is going on here??? » noa, posted by Tabitha on July 7, 2003, at 21:26:19
Strangely enough though, I think the majority of the sufferers or at least half at this particular time are in Canada, the heats a big thing though, and the long days..
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