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Posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2002, at 11:46:05
In reply to advice re:psychotherapist, posted by trouble on March 9, 2002, at 14:50:09
Trouble;
I agree with you that there is a thing called "mental nourishment." When I was in the City of Peace, before I left I was told:
"Finally,brethren,whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy, think on those things."
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2002, at 11:56:53
In reply to advice re:psychotherapist, posted by trouble on March 9, 2002, at 14:50:09
Trouble;
I too have felt rejection. If you have been reading "the Road" that I have been telling, on the Way I came to grips with rejection. I realised that I, a)was depressed because of rejection, b)that rejection can be overcome by knowing that there is a greater acceptance to be had than the acceptance of the world. That acceptance is that God loves you and accepts you as you are, right now, and wants to give you the Crown of Life.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2002, at 12:13:26
In reply to advice re:psychotherapist, posted by trouble on March 9, 2002, at 14:50:09
Trouble;
I too experianced the type of things that you have mentioned in your posts about the things in your past. If you have been reading "The Road" that I have been telling, you will see that the First Gate opened when I forgave. In fact, the note on the door said that forgiving was the only way that the first gate would open for me. When I forgave, I forgave all. All of my friends all the way back to childhood. All of my relatives all the way. All of my brothers, parents, neighbors. All of my coworkers. I forgave All of humanity and most of All I forgave myself. And when I walked the Road to the Crown of Life, I found out that one of the last sentences that the Anointed One said was, Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."
Lou
Posted by jay on March 10, 2002, at 12:22:37
In reply to The world doesn't want what I got » trouble, posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2002, at 11:56:53
Lou:
Sorry to bud in. I have no idea and no desire to debate your philosophy. About rejection, though, having worked with suicidal clients, rejection is *limited*, it is never a *complete* thing. There are some who want to hear, and some who don't want to hear what you have to say. Those who don't aren't your enemies, though, and those who do, they are free human beings choosing among a selection of a massive menu of philosophies. They are free to choose, and free to leave, right? So, all the more power to you, to them, to all of us.
I hope that helps in some way...
Best..
Jay
> Trouble;
> I too have felt rejection. If you have been reading "the Road" that I have been telling, on the Way I came to grips with rejection. I realised that I, a)was depressed because of rejection, b)that rejection can be overcome by knowing that there is a greater acceptance to be had than the acceptance of the world. That acceptance is that God loves you and accepts you as you are, right now, and wants to give you the Crown of Life.
> Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2002, at 12:32:26
In reply to Re: Just SOME don't want SOME of what you have... » Lou Pilder, posted by jay on March 10, 2002, at 12:22:37
Jay;
All I can do in my writings is to tell what I know. These thinks I have written are things that have actually happenend to me.
When you say that you have worked with suicideal paitiants, in what capacity is that?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2002, at 12:50:35
In reply to Re: Just SOME don't want SOME of what you have... » Lou Pilder, posted by jay on March 10, 2002, at 12:22:37
Jay;
My postings are , like you say, for those that want to hear what I have to say. Perhaps if they hear from one of their own, one who has suffered like they have suffered, one who has been despised and rejected like maybe they have been, one that has been to the desparation of life and thought of taking their own life like maybe one of them has, then maybe there will be people that will want to hear what I have to say. Maybe one of them will overcome their affliction. Maybe.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2002, at 17:52:56
In reply to Re: Just SOME don't want SOME of what you have... » Lou Pilder, posted by jay on March 10, 2002, at 12:22:37
Jay;
It is important for me to know what you meant by "clients." Why do they come to you(assuming that a "client" is one that goes to a person to pay them for a service) a) Are you a psychiatrist? b)A theripist? c) Do you hold a State Cirtificate of some sort for the work that you do with your "clients?" d) What is the "Some" of what I am saying that a)Some do not want to hear b)You do not want to hear.
What is your foundation for claiming that Some want to hear "Some" of what I am saying?(vs any or all of what I am saying)
I can not apppreciate your response to me in this thread unless I have an understanding about what you meant by your "clients." If you could clear this up , then I could better understand your whole post and commmunication could be advanced.
Thanks,
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 10, 2002, at 21:41:45
In reply to Lou has a question about what you ment byclients » jay, posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2002, at 17:52:56
> It is important for me to know what you meant by "clients."
You already asked once, please remember not to pressure people. OK? Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2002, at 21:50:02
In reply to Re: Lou has a question, posted by Dr. Bob on March 10, 2002, at 21:41:45
Dr. Bob;
My apologys. I was not aware that I had made a previous request. I am not in any way attempting to "pressure" Jay. I simply did not remember having asked him that in a previous post.
Lou
Posted by Zo on March 10, 2002, at 21:57:51
In reply to Re: Just SOME don't want SOME of what you have... » Lou Pilder, posted by jay on March 10, 2002, at 12:22:37
* rejection is *limited*, it is never a *complete* thing.
Can you say more about this?
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2002, at 22:09:22
In reply to Re: Just SOME don't want SOME of what you have... » jay, posted by Zo on March 10, 2002, at 21:57:51
Zo;
It is good to hear from you again. Rejection , in my life, led to serious depression.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2002, at 22:14:44
In reply to Re: Just SOME don't want SOME of what you have... » Zo, posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2002, at 22:09:22
Zo;
Abraham Lincoln suffered from depression. I read in a book about him that rejection by the women that he loved caused him to go into a deep depression.
Lou
Posted by trouble on March 10, 2002, at 22:30:22
In reply to Re: Just SOME don't want SOME of what you have... » jay, posted by Zo on March 10, 2002, at 21:57:51
> * rejection is *limited*, it is never a *complete* thing.
>
> Can you say more about this?Sorry for butting in but if I can add one more to that. What came to mind was that the rejection of others is limited, in number and degree perhaps, it is only when one rejects himself that it is complete rejection. How to keep the first from leading to the next has always been my impossible dilemma.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2002, at 22:39:59
In reply to Re: Just SOME don't want SOME of what you have..., posted by trouble on March 10, 2002, at 22:30:22
trouble;
You can butt in anytime. I like hearing from you. We have much in common. I have read about different peoples lives that had depression and it has been in all types of peoples lives, so what their satus in life is does not prevent depression. This is a place that I start at.
Lou
Posted by trouble on March 10, 2002, at 23:02:35
In reply to Re: Just SOME don't want SOME of what you have... » trouble, posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2002, at 22:39:59
Me too Lou, I gobble up those books like manna from heaven, little play on words there I hoped you might relate to.
Abraham Lincoln, old honest Abe, poor man if his depression didn't exist we'd have to invent it. Or maybe we did, who knows? But this dude's got me out of more rejecting situations I can count. How useful if unfair it is to invoke a cultural hero to justify one's existence, but hey, whatever works, right?
I'm sorry to say I only read one book on Abe Lincoln, the Gore Vidal biography, and Gore being Gore it was epically unflattering. I just refused to believe it, though I'm sure it's as true as anything else. Have you a more sympathetic book on Lincoln you could recommend? I'd like to learn something about those problems w/women you alluded to in an earlier post.
Who else have you read about for strength and validation?trouble
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2002, at 23:13:20
In reply to Re: Just SOME don't want SOME of what you have..., posted by trouble on March 10, 2002, at 23:02:35
Trouble;
I like the "Manna from Heaven" .The Passover is near. If you read my "Road" closly, you will see passover in it many times. This would have been brought out if I am able to finish the "Road".
Vincent van Goeh is another. Also, Hemmingway. Also, Jimmy Piersal, who was a big league baeball player in my time. Also Keats who also was an opium addict. Also Virginia Woolf.writer. Also, Mark Twain AKA Sam Clemmons.Also Edgar Allen Poe Many more.
Lou
Posted by trouble on March 10, 2002, at 23:15:10
In reply to Re: Just SOME don't want SOME of what you have... » trouble, posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2002, at 22:39:59
Lou, this may or may not pertain to what we're talking about, and I do enjoy our talks, partly b/c I don't always know what they're about, but one way I deal w/the world's rejection is to, oh and here's a suprise, turn it on its head, what my psychologist calls my preemptive strike, I anticipate the shitstorm and prepare for it by taking on all the shit first, then hold my head up high, laughing all the way to Bedlam and partway back. I know it's a joke, they don't.
It's a little like calling myself you know what.Take care
Posted by jay on March 11, 2002, at 6:21:59
In reply to Lou has a question about what you ment byclients » jay, posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2002, at 17:52:56
> Jay;
> It is important for me to know what you meant by "clients." Why do they come to you(assuming that a "client" is one that goes to a person to pay them for a service) a) Are you a psychiatrist? b)A theripist? c) Do you hold a State Cirtificate of some sort for the work that you do with your "clients?" d) What is the "Some" of what I am saying that a)Some do not want to hear b)You do not want to hear.
> What is your foundation for claiming that Some want to hear "Some" of what I am saying?(vs any or all of what I am saying)
> I can not apppreciate your response to me in this thread unless I have an understanding about what you meant by your "clients." If you could clear this up , then I could better understand your whole post and commmunication could be advanced.
> Thanks,
> Lou
I am sorry Lou, but I have to say this, and that is on here, I am just "Jay the Poster", like you, and the rest of us. I actually shouldn't have brought that other factor into things if I wasn't prepared to expand on it. My apologies. I'd love to chat more, though.Sincerely,
Jay
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 11, 2002, at 6:31:56
In reply to Re: Lou has a question about what you ment byclients » Lou Pilder, posted by jay on March 11, 2002, at 6:21:59
Jay;
Your response is one of the best posts that I have ever seen on this board. You have made me want to be a part of this community more than ever. Thank you very much,
Lou
Posted by jay on March 11, 2002, at 6:34:50
In reply to Re: Just SOME don't want SOME of what you have... » jay, posted by Zo on March 10, 2002, at 21:57:51
> * rejection is *limited*, it is never a *complete* thing.
>
> Can you say more about this?Well, that is, if you are talking about rejection in general, on a large, public scale. I wasn't refering to individual situations, so without my other comments, and that statement alone, it can be taken out of context.
All's I mean is that when we go out into the "big bad world", just by the nature of individual differences, we are going to find some people of course will reject us for whatever reasons. (Heck, it starts in grade school!) Just by certain laws of numbers, though, there are bound to be people SOMEWHERE in our lives who aren't SO different from us in whatever ways, and some of those end up embracing our ideas and us, and we them, and we form relationships with them.
So, yes, in the grand picture, yes, there is a limit to the amount of rejection we will recieve in life.
Ok...I'll shut up now. <grin>
Jay
Posted by Lini on March 11, 2002, at 9:56:02
In reply to advice re:psychotherapist, posted by trouble on March 9, 2002, at 14:50:09
Man, no one gave you any kind of advice really! So, hopefully just posting it helped, but just in case, I am here to save the day with extreme words of wisdom, aptly coined, .02 cents. Ha!
With your psychotherapist, you are behavng badly. :) Kinda like when someone falls in love and then ignores their best girlfriends for a while. But you know what? It's okay. You're smart enough to move through the stages of this psycho babble thing (i am assuming stages here, bear with me) and you will probably bump up against the things that PSB can't do for you and then be ready to go out and get them somewhere else, maybe back to your therapist. i too fell in love with this crazy board, and felt like HA!, fuck the world, I have a computer! But alas, the world didn't stay shut out for me, and so many people in it don't understand me and my pills, that I had to get back into the world and get some practice dealing with these people, since apparently, they're everywhere.
Okay - I hope I haven't been offensive in any way with any of my assumptions here. My tone is meant to be helpful and friendly, if not slightly sarcastic with a subtle hint of bravado to cover up my insecurities.
If you like your therapist, be nice to him/her - just explain that you're in love with your computer, but will be back in due time.
all the best
Posted by Zo on March 12, 2002, at 1:47:47
In reply to Re: Just SOME don't want SOME of what you have... » Zo, posted by jay on March 11, 2002, at 6:34:50
You recognized the question. :)I thought you meant--perhaps you do---that in RL rejection is never so global as in the introjected world. Nothing is.
Zo
Posted by fi on March 12, 2002, at 9:07:33
In reply to advice re:psychotherapist, posted by trouble on March 9, 2002, at 14:50:09
I havent read *all* the posts, but I would certainly support what ST said- PSB is just different.
It is more limiting in that you cant get any feedback of how you are in a relationship, non-verbal behaviour etc etc. But of course has lots of advantages too- getting shared experience etc.
I would think it might help to go and see your therapist to discuss it, even if its just for the one last time. I'm not surprised they didnt ring; I would guess they would prefer to discuss something this important in person.
But I have been away from the Board for several days so this is probably now completely out of date!
Good luck, whatever you decide.
Fi
Posted by trouble on March 13, 2002, at 9:06:02
In reply to Re: advice re:psychotherapist » trouble, posted by fi on March 12, 2002, at 9:07:33
Posted by Fi on March 16, 2002, at 12:19:56
In reply to hi fi, noticed your absence, missed ya! (nm), posted by trouble on March 13, 2002, at 9:06:02
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