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Posted by Lou Pilder on April 15, 2010, at 14:46:53
In reply to For Lou and Scott » SLS, posted by Frustratedmama on April 14, 2010, at 17:56:52
> Scott,,
> How do you think concerta compares to Adderall XR? Currently taking 15 mg Adderall XR
>
> Lou,
> Thanks for your responses and I know that you are just looking out for members. I have tried going without meds before and became very volatile, and wouldn't want that part of my personality to return ever again. I know everyone responds differently to medication but I am one of the many that would be WORSE without them...I have gone off them many times. Tried meditation, prayer, alternative meds, natural supplements, etc. Had tests run, been poked, prodded, had MRI's etc. However, the use of the snri's has proven to be the most helpful.
>
> I dont like the side effects, but the benefits far outweigh the risks for me personally.
>
> FMFM,
You wrote,[...Thanks for your responses...going without meds before and became very volatile...I am one of the many that would be worse without them...Tried ..prayer...I don't like the effects from the drugs (side)...benefits outway the risks...].
There is the condition that one can find themselves in when they stop a drug. This condition is sometimes said to be whatever it was before the drugs comming back. But it could also be withdrawal symptoms from the drug(s) the person was taking and then if the drug(s) is/are reinstated, the symptoms of withdrawal go away.
The question becomes to the user as to which one it is. There is a test for such.
In that condition, if the user stsys off the drug for a longer period, then it could be determined as to if the condition they find themselves in could or could not be withdrawal symptoms. Since the withdrawal symptoms could be so intolerable, the user could reinstate the drug(s) to stop those withdrawal conditions sooner than the time needed to determine if those symptoms were from the drugs. Then the addiction could be even more strenghthened to the user and withdrawal could be worse if they tried to do so in the future. If the prescriber of the drug (redacted by respondent).
This condition then can be exacerbated by the user getting another drug to take with the one that they stopped. Now there could be a compounding of the withdrawal if the user does so later from the combination of the drugs. This can continue untill maybe a lethal combination is taken and the user dies from the drugs or commits suicide. So a {side effect} in that case is that the user's mind could become altered to the point that they think that they must kill themselves. There is now an FDA warning to many psychotropic drugs that one taking them could have their mind altered to think of killing themselves. If the user finds themselves in that situation, I do not know how they could stop the suicide.
Then there is the placebo effect that research now shows is (redacted by respondent).
You write here that you tried prayer. I am unsure as to if your prayers were to a god and if so, which god? If it was to the god that is represented in the bible that Jews use, do you know what that bible says concerning the use of mind-altering drugs?
Lou
Posted by SLS on April 15, 2010, at 14:46:53
In reply to Lou's reply-wchgd? » Frustratedmama, posted by Lou Pilder on April 15, 2010, at 7:13:49
> You write here that you tried prayer. I am unsure as to if your prayers were to a god and if so, which god? If it was to the god that is represented in the bible that Jews use, do you know what that bible says concerning the use of mind-altering drugs?
This is a great topic. It is currently being addressed on the Faith board.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 15, 2010, at 14:46:54
In reply to Lou's reply-wchgd? » Frustratedmama, posted by Lou Pilder on April 15, 2010, at 7:13:49
> > Scott,,
> > How do you think concerta compares to Adderall XR? Currently taking 15 mg Adderall XR
> >
> > Lou,
> > Thanks for your responses and I know that you are just looking out for members. I have tried going without meds before and became very volatile, and wouldn't want that part of my personality to return ever again. I know everyone responds differently to medication but I am one of the many that would be WORSE without them...I have gone off them many times. Tried meditation, prayer, alternative meds, natural supplements, etc. Had tests run, been poked, prodded, had MRI's etc. However, the use of the snri's has proven to be the most helpful.
> >
> > I dont like the side effects, but the benefits far outweigh the risks for me personally.
> >
> > FM
>
> FM,
> You wrote,[...Thanks for your responses...going without meds before and became very volatile...I am one of the many that would be worse without them...Tried ..prayer...I don't like the effects from the drugs (side)...benefits outway the risks...].
> There is the condition that one can find themselves in when they stop a drug. This condition is sometimes said to be whatever it was before the drugs comming back. But it could also be withdrawal symptoms from the drug(s) the person was taking and then if the drug(s) is/are reinstated, the symptoms of withdrawal go away.
> The question becomes to the user as to which one it is. There is a test for such.
> In that condition, if the user stsys off the drug for a longer period, then it could be determined as to if the condition they find themselves in could or could not be withdrawal symptoms. Since the withdrawal symptoms could be so intolerable, the user could reinstate the drug(s) to stop those withdrawal conditions sooner than the time needed to determine if those symptoms were from the drugs. Then the addiction could be even more strenghthened to the user and withdrawal could be worse if they tried to do so in the future. If the prescriber of the drug (redacted by respondent).
> This condition then can be exacerbated by the user getting another drug to take with the one that they stopped. Now there could be a compounding of the withdrawal if the user does so later from the combination of the drugs. This can continue untill maybe a lethal combination is taken and the user dies from the drugs or commits suicide. So a {side effect} in that case is that the user's mind could become altered to the point that they think that they must kill themselves. There is now an FDA warning to many psychotropic drugs that one taking them could have their mind altered to think of killing themselves. If the user finds themselves in that situation, I do not know how they could stop the suicide.
> Then there is the placebo effect that research now shows is (redacted by respondent).
> You write here that you tried prayer. I am unsure as to if your prayers were to a god and if so, which god? If it was to the god that is represented in the bible that Jews use, do you know what that bible says concerning the use of mind-altering drugs?
> LouFM,
If you are wanting to know what the bible that the Jews use says about the use of mind-altering drugs, I would like to use email for any discussion concerning that.
You see, you may be pleasently surprised from what I could share with you. In fact, it could be possible that your whole life ccould become new, and old things could pass away. You could be given a new mind and a new heart and a new spirit.
I can not post those things here because Mr. Hsiung has posted a threat to expell me from this community if I was to post what I believe in relation to my revelation from the God that I give servive and worship to concerning the foundation of Judaism.
There could be good news in that bible and if you are interested, you could email me if you like.
Lou
lpilder_1188@fuse.net
Posted by SLS on April 15, 2010, at 17:38:32
In reply to Lou's reply-nuhart, posted by Lou Pilder on April 15, 2010, at 14:46:54
> > You write here that you tried prayer. I am unsure as to if your prayers were to a god and if so, which god? If it was to the god that is represented in the bible that Jews use, do you know what that bible says concerning the use of mind-altering drugs?
> If you are wanting to know what the bible that the Jews use says about the use of mind-altering drugs,
I am intrigued by the way you spin the words of the New Testament with those of the Old Testament. Many of the verses you cite to support your thesis are from the book of Revelation. Your contentions are certainly interesting.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 15, 2010, at 19:03:36
In reply to Bibles » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on April 15, 2010, at 17:38:32
> > > You write here that you tried prayer. I am unsure as to if your prayers were to a god and if so, which god? If it was to the god that is represented in the bible that Jews use, do you know what that bible says concerning the use of mind-altering drugs?
>
> > If you are wanting to know what the bible that the Jews use says about the use of mind-altering drugs,
>
> I am intrigued by the way you spin the words of the New Testament with those of the Old Testament. Many of the verses you cite to support your thesis are from the book of Revelation. Your contentions are certainly interesting.
>
>
> - ScottScott,
You wrote,[...words of the New Testament with...testament... book of Revelation...interesting...].
We were lookig into Daniel 12, verse 2. Now let us look at Matthew 25 verse 46. Then Rev 20 verse 8.
These verse speak to life after death. There are many more. Now the writer of the book called Revelation was a Jew...
Lou
Posted by SLS on April 16, 2010, at 8:58:59
In reply to Lou's reply-resurovded » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 15, 2010, at 19:03:36
> These verse speak to life after death. There are many more. Now the writer of the book called Revelation was a Jew...
As were many of the other authors of the New Testament, including the apostles with their gospels. So, your conclusions actually depend on the bible that the Jews do not use. It makes for an interesting and more inclusive perspective.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 16, 2010, at 16:02:17
In reply to Inclusivity » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on April 16, 2010, at 8:58:59
> > These verse speak to life after death. There are many more. Now the writer of the book called Revelation was a Jew...
>
> As were many of the other authors of the New Testament, including the apostles with their gospels. So, your conclusions actually depend on the bible that the Jews do not use. It makes for an interesting and more inclusive perspective.
>
>
> - ScottScott,
You wrote,[...your conclusions..depend on the bible that the Jews do not use...]
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. What are the conclusions that you are wanting to mean?
B. If one of the conclusions is that there is life after death spoken of in the bible that the Jews use, then how does your statement, if it does, make that dependent on verses from the books that the Jews do not use?
C. Other questions if the above are answerd
Lou
Posted by SLS on April 16, 2010, at 16:30:16
In reply to Lou's reply-phalzahkenkak » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 16, 2010, at 16:02:17
> Scott,
> You wrote,[...your conclusions..depend on the bible that the Jews do not use...]
> I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here.I am wanting to mean here that your conclusions regarding psychiatric drugs, sorcery, and the lake of fire depend on the New Testament as you have referred to it when describing your perspective.
> A. What are the conclusions that you are wanting to mean?
I am wanting to mean that it is your conclusion that the use of psychiatric medicines is prohibited by the bible.
I disagree with your conclusion.
As we both acknowledge, each of us is concerned with the welfare of others.
Do you now believe that the use of psychiatric medicines is allowed by the bible?
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 16, 2010, at 17:12:14
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-phalzahkenkak » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on April 16, 2010, at 16:30:16
> > Scott,
> > You wrote,[...your conclusions..depend on the bible that the Jews do not use...]
> > I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here.
>
> I am wanting to mean here that your conclusions regarding psychiatric drugs, sorcery, and the lake of fire depend on the New Testament as you have referred to it when describing your perspective.
>
> > A. What are the conclusions that you are wanting to mean?
>
> I am wanting to mean that it is your conclusion that the use of psychiatric medicines is prohibited by the bible.
>
> I disagree with your conclusion.
>
> As we both acknowledge, each of us is concerned with the welfare of others.
>
> Do you now believe that the use of psychiatric medicines is allowed by the bible?
>
>
> - ScottScott,
You wrote,[...your conclusions...depend on the ..Testament...by the bible...do you believe..allowed by the bible?...].
I do not think that I can post an answer to your post to me here because Mr. Hsiung has posted a threat to expell me from this community if I was to post what I believe that has been revealed to me from the God that I give service and worship to, to me, which is the foundation of Judaism.
I have an assembly of posts concerning that if you would like the URLs of such, you could email me if you like.
Lou
Posted by SLS on April 16, 2010, at 17:34:15
In reply to Lou's reply-asem » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 16, 2010, at 17:12:14
> I have an assembly of posts concerning that if you would like the URLs of such, you could email me if you like.
You must be extraordinarily organized to retrieve information as quickly as you do. I thank you for your kind offer. I'll give it some thought.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 16, 2010, at 17:57:54
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-asem » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on April 16, 2010, at 17:34:15
> > I have an assembly of posts concerning that if you would like the URLs of such, you could email me if you like.
>
> You must be extraordinarily organized to retrieve information as quickly as you do. I thank you for your kind offer. I'll give it some thought.
>
>
> - ScottScott,
You wrote,[...retrieve information...your..offer...]
To retrieve posts here one could use the search feature. Here is a link to one post in a thread where you could click on that instead of emailing me if you like.
The post that comes up is just to bring up the thread. Then you could start at the first post if you like to see the rest of the discussion. There could also be links to other posts and you could go on if you like which could be posts from the assembly of posts that I could email.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070702/msgs/772917.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 17, 2010, at 11:37:08
In reply to Lou's reply-psumasem » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 16, 2010, at 17:57:54
> > > I have an assembly of posts concerning that if you would like the URLs of such, you could email me if you like.
> >
> > You must be extraordinarily organized to retrieve information as quickly as you do. I thank you for your kind offer. I'll give it some thought.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Scott,
> You wrote,[...retrieve information...your..offer...]
> To retrieve posts here one could use the search feature. Here is a link to one post in a thread where you could click on that instead of emailing me if you like.
> The post that comes up is just to bring up the thread. Then you could start at the first post if you like to see the rest of the discussion. There could also be links to other posts and you could go on if you like which could be posts from the assembly of posts that I could email.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070702/msgs/772917.html
>
>
Scott,
Here is a link to a post to a thread and in those posts are other links to other posts in the assembly of posts that you could have if you email me if you like.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090813/msgs/912939.html
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