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Posted by sregan on January 12, 2008, at 22:06:40
I've been on this board at times for a year or more, have had CFS for over 4 years with considerable brain chemistry issues. I have just experienced a 7-8 hour complete remission in symptoms twice now using supplements that either chelate or mobilize mercury (Pectasol, Selenium, Chlorella and Spirulina).
Twice within a month I have experienced "normal" brain chemistry and in done a bunch of research on the Mercury issue which until now I would have never believed and never took the issue seriously.
With all the recent work with autism and success with methylation and the FACT that mercury vapor is released from amalgams in toxic doses has me convinced that it is an issue (or THE issue) I am dealing with.
I have experimented with almost 100 supplements in 3 years. I am being strangely affected in a common way by: Selenium, MSM, ALA, Chlorella and Pectasol (probably most pronounced with Clorella). These are all mercury mobilizers and/or chelators.
Twice now I was my old self for a while. It was wonderful and both times I smiled the entire time except when I broke down into tears for the wasted years. Now I am very hopeful one day I can return to normal.
Please consider that your mental symptoms might be caused by mercury especially if you ever had or have amalgam fillings in your mouth.
I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't experienced it. What psychologists would have had me in years of therapy for or Psychiatrists have prescribed several drugs to correct I can do with simple supplements. The fact that I could go from very symptomatic on Monday to completely asymptomatic on Tuesday tells me that Therapy is not going to help and the drugs won't do any more than attempt to mask or compensate for the symptoms while adding a host of side effects.
It would not surprise me if Mercury (being so abundant in our bodies) is responsible for a large percentage of todays maladies especially anything dealing with the brain.
Please take this seriously. I do not take this lightly and have done my homework before I bring this to you tonight.
sregan
A great board ad someone's experience of hoe mercury has caused mental symptoms similar to depression, see: http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB19&Number=248785&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
Andy Cutler, PhD is the leading expert on chealation techniques and has a book available.
Posted by JLx on January 14, 2008, at 20:04:40
In reply to Consider Mercury toxicity....Really!, posted by sregan on January 12, 2008, at 22:06:40
I appreciate this post, not least of which for reminding me why I was taking selenium, which I've slacked off taking recently. I generally find I feel better when I take handfuls of supplements but I get sick of it, especially the expense.
But now I am recalling a discussion with Larry Hoover about mercury and amalgams in the past where I decided to take 600 mg of selenium a day to bind mercury. I took 400 mg today and had a day that I would describe as more smooth than usual lately.
I am sold on the idea of mercury toxicity and psychological symptoms. I wish I could afford to have my amalgam fillings removed but I absolutely cannot, nor do I anticipate affording that any time in the forseeable future, unfortunately. I don't eat tuna any more and I don't chew gum either as I read that that releases more mercury vapor from amalgams.
I read about chlorella getting mercury out of the body on the Mercola site, and bought some but only took it once as it didn't seem to digest at all. I should try it again, or perhaps a different brand.
I've also read that cilantro is a good mercury chelator. I hate the taste of it but thought I might try to choke some down so I put some in a blender with water. Awful!
Pectasol is something I've never heard of before, but I looked it up and whoa, pretty expensive. $99 for a month's supply of Life Extension Foundations brand.
> I have experimented with almost 100 supplements in 3 years. I am being strangely affected in a common way by: Selenium, MSM, ALA, Chlorella and Pectasol (probably most pronounced with Clorella). These are all mercury mobilizers and/or chelators.
I am reminded by this that MSM has been something I thought was helpful in the past, but again, something I've slacked off on.
I believe somebody mentioned on a board here recently that ALA actually makes mercury symptoms worse? I'll have to try to find that.
What brands and dosages of these things do you take?
Thanks for the topic!
JL
> I've been on this board at times for a year or more, have had CFS for over 4 years with considerable brain chemistry issues. I have just experienced a 7-8 hour complete remission in symptoms twice now using supplements that either chelate or mobilize mercury (Pectasol, Selenium, Chlorella and Spirulina).
>
> Twice within a month I have experienced "normal" brain chemistry and in done a bunch of research on the Mercury issue which until now I would have never believed and never took the issue seriously.
>
> With all the recent work with autism and success with methylation and the FACT that mercury vapor is released from amalgams in toxic doses has me convinced that it is an issue (or THE issue) I am dealing with.
>
> I have experimented with almost 100 supplements in 3 years. I am being strangely affected in a common way by: Selenium, MSM, ALA, Chlorella and Pectasol (probably most pronounced with Clorella). These are all mercury mobilizers and/or chelators.
>
> Twice now I was my old self for a while. It was wonderful and both times I smiled the entire time except when I broke down into tears for the wasted years. Now I am very hopeful one day I can return to normal.
>
> Please consider that your mental symptoms might be caused by mercury especially if you ever had or have amalgam fillings in your mouth.
>
> I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't experienced it. What psychologists would have had me in years of therapy for or Psychiatrists have prescribed several drugs to correct I can do with simple supplements. The fact that I could go from very symptomatic on Monday to completely asymptomatic on Tuesday tells me that Therapy is not going to help and the drugs won't do any more than attempt to mask or compensate for the symptoms while adding a host of side effects.
>
> It would not surprise me if Mercury (being so abundant in our bodies) is responsible for a large percentage of todays maladies especially anything dealing with the brain.
>
> Please take this seriously. I do not take this lightly and have done my homework before I bring this to you tonight.
>
> sregan
>
>
> A great board ad someone's experience of hoe mercury has caused mental symptoms similar to depression, see: http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB19&Number=248785&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
>
>
> Andy Cutler, PhD is the leading expert on chealation techniques and has a book available.
Posted by bleauberry on January 14, 2008, at 21:14:48
In reply to Consider Mercury toxicity....Really!, posted by sregan on January 12, 2008, at 22:06:40
You NEED to read Amalgam Illness by PHD Andrew Cutler. Immediately. Keep taking the selenium, but stop the other stuff. You need instructions on how to do this very dangerous stuff safely. The book does that.
There are backfire websites with scary horror stories of what happened to people when they took cilantro, chlorella, ALA, chelation IVs, other stuff, without knowing the proper way to chelate. The basic pattern is that when people chelate wrong they will feel real good real fast and much worse, much much worse, later. People who chelate right will feel slow gradual progress. The key is in the size of the dose and how many times a day it is dosed.
I am mercury and lead toxic. Mercury from amalgams. Lead from...I don't know.
Most natural supplements for heavy metal cleansing are mobilizers. Which is bad. The last thing you want to do is pull mercury out of fatty tissues and let it redistribute somewhere else. A common phenomenon is to feel really good right away as that mercury is moving, and then really really worse later after it resettles somewhere new.
Chlorella is possibly a chelator, no one has proven it scientifically. Cilantro is a chelator, but no one knows its active substance, its mechanism, or its halflife. These are critical to know if you want to detox safely and not get worse.
You do not want to take mobilizers. They will stir up mercury faster than they will excrete it, which is not cool. Most people get much sicker. Any mobilizer such as chlorella do not have the strong sulfur group necessary to hang onto the mercury molecule all the way through the liver or kidney. They grab the mercury from tissue, but are not strong enough to hang onto it in the bloodstream where there are many other competing forces doing on. You need a double sulfur molecule to bind the mercury solidly all the way, which comes only in DMSA, DMPS, or ALA.
Sulfur foods make a lot of people sicker. They can stir up mercury but not bind it tight enough to excretion. Those foods include eggs, garlic, broccoli, brussel sprouts, cabbage, dairy.
There are only 3 chelators. DMSA, available on the net. DMPS, available by prescription. And ALA (alpha lipoic acid).
This is the important part...you have to take your chelator in timed doses that allow a steady blood level. This guarantees there is a constant flow of toxins from your tissues to the toilet with no chance for redistribution. Doses are timed on the halflives of the chelators. DMSA = every 4 hours around the clock including waking up in the middle of the night for a dose. DMPS = every 8 hours around the clock. ALA = every 3 hours around the clock, 4 hours allowed at night.
DMSA and DMPS will not pull mercury from the brain. They are good to lower the bodies burden first. ALA removes mercury from the brain.
You should go to Yahoo and join the group (forum) called frequent-dose-chelation. There are countless people there, and in the archives, with experience in what you are dealing with. Most can only handle 3mg to 12mg of ALA per dose, working up to 25mg or 50mg after a few months.
Your post scared me because we have seen this pattern so often when someone takes a mercury mobilizer or chelator, they feel immediate improvement, get over confident, and then after a few weeks or months find they are much much worse off than before they started. Why? Because they were not excreting the mercury as fast as they were mobilizing it. They were basically re-poisoning themselves.
There are many ways to detox and many websites willing to sell you stuff and make wild claims. There is only one SAFE way to detox.
Do not do IVs. Do not do a challenge test. Cilantro or chlorella are dangerous. ALA may be your best friend, but you have to keep a steady blood level...every 3 hours.
Read the book. It will be your lifesaver and your bible.
So glad you are on the right path. It is my opinion a majority of people at pbabble are suffering from undiagnosed toxicities. As you will see in the book, even miniscule amounts of toxins can make genetically vulnerable people extremely ill. Usually psychiatric in nature.
Do it safe. Do not proceed until you know how. Please.
Safe good things to take until you study the book...
Vitamin C as much as you can handle.
Vitamin B complex what you are comfortable with.
Selenium 400mcg, +or- 200mcg...selenium binds to mercury, does not mobilize it or chelate, but somewhat neutralizes its toxic effects.
And a host of others, all spelled out in the book. Each supplement is for a specific symptom, but the above ones are basics.At a very minimum, join the Yahoo group because you can interact with many people in your shoes, and you will have access to tons of scientific data, terrifying stories from real people of what went wrong when they were doing exactly what you are doing, and hundreds of questions and answers from the author of the book Amalgam Illness, and references to other reputable websites with good safe information.
Avoid copper in water and vitamins.
Posted by sregan on January 16, 2008, at 20:08:52
In reply to Re: Consider Mercury toxicity....Really! » sregan, posted by JLx on January 14, 2008, at 20:04:40
> But now I am recalling a discussion with Larry Hoover about mercury and amalgams in the past where I decided to take 600 mg of selenium a day to bind mercury. I took 400 mg today and had a day that I would describe as more smooth than usual lately.
600 mcg is a LOT of selenium. I don't think I've ever seen a recommendation of over 200 mcg per day. Are you taking selemethionine Or Methylselenocysteine (both preferred over the yeast form)
> I read about chlorella getting mercury out of the body on the Mercola site, and bought some but only took it once as it didn't seem to digest at all. I should try it again, or perhaps a different brand.Be careful of what you read on Mercola. Lots of good information but lots of "wreckless" information also. Anyone that sells supplements is probably only going to give you the "good news".
I've had good experience with Chlorella but it also wiped me out. Chlorella is seen as more of a mercury distributor than chelator. It will redistribute (as will MSM and Selenium)
> I've also read that cilantro is a good mercury chelator. I hate the taste of it but thought I might try to choke some down so I put some in a blender with water. Awful!
Another thing to be careful with. Few things can transport mercury in/out of the brain and cilantro is one. Common thought is that its best to get the blood/tissue levels of mercury down first before you try Cilantro or Alpha Lipoic Acid (also crosses into the brain)
> Pectasol is something I've never heard of before, but I looked it up and whoa, pretty expensive. $99 for a month's supply of Life Extension Foundations brand.Depends on how much you take. I use Tox-Guard from Jarrow: http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=7774&at=0
>
> > I have experimented with almost 100 supplements in 3 years. I am being strangely affected in a common way by: Selenium, MSM, ALA, Chlorella and Pectasol (probably most pronounced with Chlorella). These are all mercury mobilizers and/or chelators.
>> What brands and dosages of these things do you take?
Chlorella with Algin (sodium Alginate) and/or Pectasol with adrenal support (buffered C, Maca, B5, etc) seems to be a good route.
I found this link today which has about the best information I've found outside of Andy Cutler's book "Amalgam Illness":
http://www.health-spy.com/toxicity.html
Focus on the sections from "Detoxification Supplements to Assist Cellular Detoxification" to "Phospholipid Therapy"
PCA-Rx and NCD are expensive but seem to be powerful and have low side effects.
Posted by sregan on January 16, 2008, at 20:18:56
In reply to Re: Consider Mercury toxicity....Really! » sregan, posted by bleauberry on January 14, 2008, at 21:14:48
> You NEED to read Amalgam Illness by PHD Andrew Cutler. Immediately. Keep taking the selenium, but stop the other stuff. You need instructions on how to do this very dangerous stuff safely. The book does that.
The book is excellent and contains lots of technical information (vs. the kind you get from Mercola) on supplements.
> There are backfire websites with scary horror stories of what happened to people when they took cilantro, chlorella, ALA, chelation IVs,
> A common phenomenon is to feel really good right away as that mercury is moving, and then really really worse later after it resettles somewhere new.Been there, done that. I think it settles in familiar places though. Mercury has an affinity for glands (pituitary, adrenal, thyroid). When it hits the thyroid and adrenal I think that's anxiety hits hard.
>You need a double sulfur molecule to bind the mercury solidly all the way, which comes only in DMSA, DMPS, or ALA.
Or the new "expensive" things like PCA-rx and NCD as mentioned here: http://www.health-spy.com/
> There are only 3 chelators. DMSA, available on the net. DMPS, available by prescription. And ALA (alpha lipoic acid).
There is a study that pectasol chelates mercury and removes via the kidneys:
http://www.dreliaz.com/news-room-article.php?id=23
http://www.dreliaz.com/resources_inside.php?rid=1&fid=1&fkid=76#Tre
> Vitamin C as much as you can handle.
> Vitamin B complex what you are comfortable with.
> Selenium 400mcg, +or- 200mcg...selenium binds to mercury, does not mobilize it or chelate, but somewhat neutralizes its toxic effects.Zinc antagonises copper, molybdenum and spirulina remove mercury from the kidneys.
Vitamin B1 (Thiamine) and Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) are essential in the synthesis of sulfur-ontaining amino acids, and must be included in the mercury detoxification regimen. Mercury causes rapid turnover of thiamine in the brain by converting it to thiochrome. Interestingly, the symptoms of Vitamin B1 deficiency and mercury toxicity are almost indistinguishable.
Vitamin E works with selenium to neutralize mercury.
Posted by sregan on January 16, 2008, at 20:22:11
In reply to Re: Consider Mercury toxicity....Really! » sregan, posted by bleauberry on January 14, 2008, at 21:14:48
bleauberry,
How long have you been dealing with this?
You are well educated on the subject.
Posted by clipper40 on January 17, 2008, at 7:19:43
In reply to Re: Consider Mercury toxicity....Really! » sregan, posted by bleauberry on January 14, 2008, at 21:14:48
I have a lot of mercury fillings so I've probably got a problem (even though testing didn't show mercury toxicity). When I take extra selenium (and I've tried a couple of different forms) it makes me really nauseous. Do you know why that would be? Also, I can take MSM without any noticeable problem. Lastly, my most recent tests showed a deficienty in copper. Does this pattern make any sense to you?
Posted by sregan on January 17, 2008, at 12:37:15
In reply to Re: Consider Mercury toxicity... » bleauberry, posted by clipper40 on January 17, 2008, at 7:19:43
> I have a lot of mercury fillings so I've probably got a problem (even though testing didn't show mercury toxicity).
I'm sure it is already affecting you. Most people who find they are mercury toxic are very reserved/introverted personalities. The mercury does this.
>When I take extra selenium (and I've tried a couple of different forms) it makes me really nauseous. Do you know why that would be?
How much is "extra" what do you take normally? Mercury eats up selenium. Mercury toxic people are usually selenium deficient (unless they supplement). What kind of selenium are you taking? Read the back of the label and see what form they are using.
> Also, I can take MSM without any noticeable problem.
Some people, even mercury toxic, do Ok with MSM unless they take too much.
>Lastly, my most recent tests showed a deficienty in copper. Does this pattern make any sense to you?Are you taking a lot of Zinc? Other reasons for low copper could be tobacco smoke or hyperthyroid.
Posted by clipper40 on January 17, 2008, at 20:51:09
In reply to Re: Consider Mercury toxicity... » clipper40, posted by sregan on January 17, 2008, at 12:37:15
Thanks so much for answering. I meant for my last post to be for both you and Bleauberry and was sorry that I had marked it wrong.
> > I have a lot of mercury fillings so I've probably got a problem (even though testing didn't show mercury toxicity).
>
> I'm sure it is already affecting you. Most people who find they are mercury toxic are very reserved/introverted personalities. The mercury does this.
I've lived with the fillings for a long, long time so I'm sure they're affecting me also. I am definitely a reserved and introverted person. I never would have connected the two however. YIKES!
> >When I take extra selenium (and I've tried a couple of different forms) it makes me really nauseous. Do you know why that would be?
>
> How much is "extra" what do you take normally? Mercury eats up selenium. Mercury toxic people are usually selenium deficient (unless they supplement). What kind of selenium are you taking? Read the back of the label and see what form they are using.
It's been years since I've tried taking extra selenium (other than what's in my multiple). I had tried 200 mg. as well as 100 mg. I remember taking some and feeling sick so then I read up on it more and found out the best kind to take so I tried that as well.
> > Also, I can take MSM without any noticeable problem.
>
> Some people, even mercury toxic, do Ok with MSM unless they take too much.
Makes sense since I don't take that much MSM.
> >Lastly, my most recent tests showed a deficienty in copper. Does this pattern make any sense to you?
>
> Are you taking a lot of Zinc? Other reasons for low copper could be tobacco smoke or hyperthyroid.
No tobacco and I'm HYPOthyroid. I do know the connection with zinc and copper. Earlier on I used to supplement with extra zinc but stopped that when I learned my copper was low. Actually, if I'm ill or feel I'm starting to get ill, I will still take some zinc. I bought extra copper to take but it's in such a huge quantity (22 mg. of copper sebacate per pill) that I've been afraid to take even a quarter of a pill.
Posted by JLx on January 17, 2008, at 21:23:10
In reply to Re: Consider Mercury toxicity....Really! » JLx, posted by sregan on January 16, 2008, at 20:08:52
>
> 600 mcg is a LOT of selenium. I don't think I've ever seen a recommendation of over 200 mcg per day. Are you taking selemethionine Or Methylselenocysteine (both preferred over the yeast form)You're right, 600 mcg is probably too much. I've never actually taken that much, usually just 200 mcg. 400 mcg is considered "Upper limit" apparently.
I've taken "Selenext" Jarrow brand, methylselenocysteine in the past but recently bought Natural Factors, SelenoExcell, Selenium yeast. Oops.
> > I read about chlorella getting mercury out of the body on the Mercola site, and bought some but only took it once as it didn't seem to digest at all. I should try it again, or perhaps a different brand.
>
> Be careful of what you read on Mercola. Lots of good information but lots of "wreckless" information also. Anyone that sells supplements is probably only going to give you the "good news".I try to take any advice with a grain of salt.
> I've had good experience with Chlorella but it also wiped me out. Chlorella is seen as more of a mercury distributor than chelator. It will redistribute (as will MSM and Selenium)
Selenium redistributes? My understanding is that it binds to mercury and basically prevents it doing its evilness.
> > I've also read that cilantro is a good mercury chelator. I hate the taste of it but thought I might try to choke some down so I put some in a blender with water. Awful!
>
> Another thing to be careful with. Few things can transport mercury in/out of the brain and cilantro is one. Common thought is that its best to get the blood/tissue levels of mercury down first before you try Cilantro or Alpha Lipoic Acid (also crosses into the brain)But get them down how? Amalgam removal is not an option.
> > Pectasol is something I've never heard of before, but I looked it up and whoa, pretty expensive. $99 for a month's supply of Life Extension Foundations brand.
>
> Depends on how much you take. I use Tox-Guard from Jarrow: http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=7774&at=0Looks pretty good. Thanks.
JL
Posted by linkadge on January 17, 2008, at 23:15:26
In reply to Re: Consider Mercury toxicity....Really! » bleauberry, posted by sregan on January 16, 2008, at 20:22:11
Not to sound like a tweeze, but it seems to me more likely that the selenium is helping by giving you a thyroid boost.
I mean, doesn't murcury take forever to get rid of? Don't chelating supplements intially raise blood saturation or something?
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on January 17, 2008, at 23:18:04
In reply to Re: Consider Mercury toxicity....Really! » sregan, posted by JLx on January 17, 2008, at 21:23:10
Selenium can give a boost to serotonin & thyroid, and it also interacts with 5-ht2 receptors somehow.
It apparently has direct mood enhancing effects for some people.
Not to say it might not be reducing murucury levels at the same time, but I would personally suspect that any acute effects are not due to change in murcury status.
Linkadge
Posted by Kath on January 18, 2008, at 15:39:54
In reply to Re: Consider Mercury toxicity....Really!, posted by linkadge on January 17, 2008, at 23:18:04
Sent this info to my daughter who has MCS (Multiple Chemical Sensitivities). She is part of an online support group for it & they're aware of how bad mercury is for us.
Here are her comments:
yes, I find this kind of stuff very interesting but I admit I don't read too much of it because I still have mercury in my mouth so any kind of chelation is not safe at all.
plus, one can get WAY sicker via chelation. out of all the folks I know who used either synthetic or natural chelators, almost all of them got worse and not better.
but a few did get better.
for me it isn't worth the risk at this time - especially with mercury in my mouth still - some of these things can actually pull mercury out of your fillings and into your body.
if you do not have your system in absolutely excellent shape, your body is not able to actually excrete the mercury that is drawn out and then you can end up with much more damage than before.
this can happen even if you have all your fillings replaced first.
I wonder instead if someone was very worried about heavy metals and testing showed it really was an issue, if it might not be safer to go to a really good homeopath and see if they can do it homeopathically somehow?
I don't know much about it.(Kath's note - if anyone is considering having their mercury tooth fillings removed, it's really important to go to a dentist specially trained to do it, with proper ventilation, etc, as mercury vapours can also effect us.)
Kath
Posted by sregan on January 18, 2008, at 20:16:31
In reply to Re: Consider Mercury toxicity....Really! » sregan, posted by JLx on January 17, 2008, at 21:23:10
> I've taken "Selenext" Jarrow brand, methylselenocysteine in the past
That is the kind I take, it is supposed to be one of the best forms.
>
> Selenium redistributes? My understanding is that it binds to mercury and basically prevents it doing its evilness.Mercury is supposed to increase your need for Selenium. It is not supposed to move but I believe it did for me. And from this article:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2001_May/ai_73959332/print
"Selenium is an essential trace element, which is vital to the activation of GSH- containing, liver detoxification enzymes and also to the antioxidant enzyme, Glutathione peroxidase, important in neutralizing free peroxide radicals and oxidized lipids. Tolerance of selenium may be limited by its binding to, redistribution and precipitation of mercury in the tissues, which may induce nausea, digestive disturbances, vertigo, etc. For those who do not tolerate selenium, use of Vitamin E (Tocopherols and Tocotrienols) to counteract mercury-induced, tissue lipid peroxidation is indicated. Vitamin E works with selenium to neutralize mercury."
> But get them down how? Amalgam removal is not an option.
>
> > > Pectasol is something I've never heard of before, but I looked it up and whoa, pretty expensive. $99 for a month's supply of Life Extension Foundations brand.
> >
> > Depends on how much you take. I use Tox-Guard from Jarrow: http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=7774&at=0Algin or Sodium alginate is supposed to remove mercury through the stool. Preferred method for those with weak kidneys.
Posted by sregan on January 18, 2008, at 20:21:03
In reply to Re: Consider Mercury toxicity....Really!, posted by linkadge on January 17, 2008, at 23:15:26
> Not to sound like a tweeze, but it seems to me more likely that the selenium is helping by giving you a thyroid boost.
I thought of that. For me I got a very distinct reaction from selenium, msm, garlic, ala and chlorella. It wasn't until I researched mercury a little that I discovered what they had in common.
> I mean, doesn't murcury take forever to get rid of? Don't chelating supplements intially raise blood saturation or something?The chelators ride through the bloodstream. Mercury can easily cross most membranes. When the saturation level of the blood drops, you feel better, then the story goes that the mercury comes out of its hiding places when there is more room in the blood. Mercury loves the fatty tissues.
Posted by sregan on January 18, 2008, at 20:31:52
In reply to Re: Consider Mercury toxicity....Really!, posted by linkadge on January 17, 2008, at 23:18:04
> Selenium can give a boost to serotonin & thyroid, and it also interacts with 5-ht2 receptors somehow.
>
> It apparently has direct mood enhancing effects for some people.
>
> Not to say it might not be reducing murucury levels at the same time, but I would personally suspect that any acute effects are not due to change in murcury status.
>Fair enough, for me my first boost was from taking Chlorella (no selenium). On the third day I was close to normal. About 3 weeks later this time after taking 80 mcg selenium each day for about 4 days I took 1g of spirulina for 2 days then 500mg on the third day. The third day was the best I've had in 4 years. My symptoms were totally gone for about 8 hours then I drifted back to my normal hell.
For me those two days were a prayer answered and almost a miracle. It's given me back a a lot of hope.
My assumption/conclusion from what I've read since is that it must be mercury. As I've had great days on the flip side I've had some very bad days also from the same supplements that helped. Very consistent with mercury mobilization once you talk to those who have chelated.
I also went back and got my dental records....My first bout of CFS lasted for a year starting 3/22/95. I hadn't been to the dentist for 5 years prior to 3/22/94. In March 94, 4 amalgams, Jan 05 one broke. Feb 05 The Flu for a week. Mar 22, 05 CFS strikes.
That lasts for a little over a year. I'm still working out regularly (constant anxiety) taking protein and vitamins.
No dentist until 2000 until 2003, 5 crowns, 2-3 root canals, 1 Amalgam. The crowns required removal of amalgams. All done haphazardly. June 03 CFS.
Not proof but compelling evidence.
Posted by sregan on January 18, 2008, at 20:41:34
In reply to Re: Consider Mercury toxicity....Really!, posted by Kath on January 18, 2008, at 15:39:54
> yes, I find this kind of stuff very interesting but I admit I don't read too much of it because I still have mercury in my mouth so any kind of chelation is not safe at all.
There are some things she can do with amalgams in place.
> plus, one can get WAY sicker via chelation. out of all the folks I know who used either synthetic or natural chelators, almost all of them got worse and not better.She needs to read Andy Cutler's book. He is a PHD who cured himself of mercury toxicity through chelation. People do very well on his protocol with low side effects. He is very accessable through discussion groups and the yahoo autism-mercury group.
> for me it isn't worth the risk at this time - especially with mercury in my mouth still - some of these things can actually pull mercury out of your fillings and into your body.I've read that, Andy says that but I've also seen it questioned. Mercury can only evaporate so fast from a filling. Some people have reported using DMSA with fillings and did just fine.
> if you do not have your system in absolutely excellent shape, your body is not able to actually excrete the mercury that is drawn out and then you can end up with much more damage than before.That is a concern if you aggressively chelate then you put great stress on your kidneys and/or liver.
> I wonder instead if someone was very worried about heavy metals and testing showed it really was an issue, if it might not be safer to go to a really good homeopath and see if they can do it homeopathically somehow?
This guy has some really good information: http://www.health-spy.com/toxicity.html
he mentions 2 new products (both expensive) PCA-Rx and NCD. I checked out the immune support board and there are mixed reviews on both. http://www.immunesupport.com/
Let me say that I'm not a Mercury cheerleader. I have considered it a rubbish theory until just recently. It is the only thing that can explain what is going on adequately. Read some other stories like this guy http://www.mercurylife.com.
Posted by Sigismund on January 19, 2008, at 16:10:58
In reply to Re: Consider Mercury toxicity....Really! » sregan, posted by bleauberry on January 14, 2008, at 21:14:48
I don't have the energy to read all the thread, but noticed that Blueberry was talking about sulphur groups, and then I wondered about MSM, which has Sulphur.
Is that problematic?
Posted by sregan on January 19, 2008, at 17:27:49
In reply to MSM?? » bleauberry, posted by Sigismund on January 19, 2008, at 16:10:58
> I don't have the energy to read all the thread, but noticed that Blueberry was talking about sulphur groups, and then I wondered about MSM, which has Sulphur.
>
> Is that problematic?Just be aware when you are taking these things. They might not affect you for a few days. I took garlic for 4 days recently. By the 4th I was waking up early and anxious. I stopped taking and went back to normal.
It's important to change one thing at a time with your supplements. Maybe once a week. You probably need at least a week to see if you're going to have a negative effect. Positive effect from some things might take longer. It helps to have good information on your supplements.
Posted by bleauberry on January 19, 2008, at 19:54:18
In reply to MSM?? » bleauberry, posted by Sigismund on January 19, 2008, at 16:10:58
> I don't have the energy to read all the thread, but noticed that Blueberry was talking about sulphur groups, and then I wondered about MSM, which has Sulphur.
>
> Is that problematic?Some people feel better with sulfur and some don't. I believe the book Amalgam Illness generally says to avoid MSM. I would have to go recheck that, but I'm pretty sure.
Some people feel better with sulfates and some feel worse. The only way to find out is with challenge tests where you avoid sulfur foods and supplements for a week or two and then eat them again.
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