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Posted by foreigner on January 28, 2007, at 4:56:15
I think that most of the multivitamins have much folic asid than needed especialy for people who has anxiety, ocd... If you know such a folic asid free brand I want to know. I couldn't find in google.
Posted by danr49 on January 29, 2007, at 12:27:27
In reply to Is there a folic asid free multivitamin?, posted by foreigner on January 28, 2007, at 4:56:15
> I think that most of the multivitamins have much folic asid than needed especialy for people who has anxiety, ocd... If you know such a folic asid free brand I want to know. I couldn't find in google.
I don't know why you think this. Centrum only contains a tiny 400 micrograms of folic acid, which really just amounts to enough to prevent a deficiency; it shouldn't have any real impact on how you feel mentally or physically.
Posted by laima on January 31, 2007, at 6:59:53
In reply to Re: Is there a folic asid free multivitamin?, posted by danr49 on January 29, 2007, at 12:27:27
If anything, I've read in a number of places that folic acid can help depression. There is a New York Times column from Jan 30 about how folic acid can apparently help cognitive function, and it also mentions it's crucial for children's neural development. I posted it in its entirety in the "alternatives to adderall" thread above. Whatever the case for your concerns, though- it's true- 400mg is a ridiculously low amount. I understand that a lot of nutritionists reccomend a lot more than that for people, and the lowlimit for the amount found in supplements was set long ago under fawlty reasoning. (per Atkins)
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> I don't know why you think this. Centrum only contains a tiny 400 micrograms of folic acid, which really just amounts to enough to prevent a deficiency; it shouldn't have any real impact on how you feel mentally or physically.
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Posted by Foreigner on January 31, 2007, at 14:02:20
In reply to Re: Is there a folic asid free multivitamin?, posted by laima on January 31, 2007, at 6:59:53
> If anything, I've read in a number of places that folic acid can help depression. There is a New York Times column from Jan 30 about how folic acid can apparently help cognitive function, and it also mentions it's crucial for children's neural development. I posted it in its entirety in the "alternatives to adderall" thread above. Whatever the case for your concerns, though- it's true- 400mg is a ridiculously low amount. I understand that a lot of nutritionists reccomend a lot more than that for people, and the lowlimit for the amount found in supplements was set long ago under fawlty reasoning. (per Atkins)
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> > I don't know why you think this. Centrum only contains a tiny 400 micrograms of folic acid, which really just amounts to enough to prevent a deficiency; it shouldn't have any real impact on how you feel mentally or physically.
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>It can help cognitive fonctions, neural devolopment and some kind of depressions. But I konow that It has bad for some anxiety disorders and ocd. You can read this page:
http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/ocd.htm
Posted by Foreigner on January 31, 2007, at 14:14:49
In reply to Re: Is there a folic asid free multivitamin?, posted by Foreigner on January 31, 2007, at 14:02:20
And I think most of the people don't need extra folic asid.
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/SR18/nutrlist/sr18w435.pdf
Posted by laima on February 1, 2007, at 1:11:25
In reply to Re: Is there a folic asid free multivitamin?, posted by Foreigner on January 31, 2007, at 14:14:49
> And I think most of the people don't need extra folic asid.
> http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/SR18/nutrlist/sr18w435.pdf
>Well, this part may be debatable. The usda's dietary recommendations are notoriously politically tinged by Big Food. Classic example- their food pyramids influenced by food companies.
Atkin's described his version of folic acid recommendation history- that over 50 years ago there was some confusion within the federal govt. about how "too much" folic acid- ie, over 400mcg, could not cause, but possibly mask a B12 deficiency. According to him, that's where the recommended upper limits came from. Atkins pointed out that being sure to get enough B12 can take care of possible B12 deficiency without having to skimp on folic acid, which is great not only for mental health- including depression and schizophrenia, mania- but heart problems and preventing birth defects. Also helpful for restless legs, peripheral neuropathy, ADHD, other conditions. He thought people need 3-8mg daily.
"Dr. Atkins Vita-Nutrient Solution: Nature's Answer to Drugs"
(slightly older book, not fully up to date, but still quite interesting and useful.)
Posted by MoparFan91 on February 24, 2007, at 14:45:10
In reply to Re: Is there a folic asid free multivitamin?, posted by danr49 on January 29, 2007, at 12:27:27
> > I think that most of the multivitamins have much folic asid than needed especialy for people who has anxiety, ocd... If you know such a folic asid free brand I want to know. I couldn't find in google.
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> I don't know why you think this. Centrum only contains a tiny 400 micrograms of folic acid, which really just amounts to enough to prevent a deficiency; it shouldn't have any real impact on how you feel mentally or physically.
>Actually, even the amount in a multi-vitamin can hurt people with OCD, anxiety, depression. That's if they're under-methylated, which is nearly all people who have OCD.
I used the GNC Mega Men Multi-Vitaman one time, and I had a bad reaction to the amount of Folic Acid that was in there. It took just about a week for it to show up. I became more depressed, anti-social, and my mind had more of a tendency to ruminate on negative things. I also got agitated/depressed about things more easily. At first, I didn't really know what was up. But I knew it was the Folic Acid for sure because I had a history of adverse reactions with it before when I tried it alone. Additionally, I get pitched into severe depressions and OCD loops if I take acetylcholine-boosting supplements.
All of this stuff is enough of a test to reveal that my conditions are caused by undermethylation (histadelia).
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