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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Lou Pilder on December 7, 2013, at 10:42:30
Friends,
If you are following the situation that I find myself here in, it could be one that you may want more information about so that you can make your own determination as to what is being posted about me here, and as to statements that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings that are in discussion between me and Mr Hsiung that I want him to take remedial action to purge out the old hatred that could be seen in those posts. This hatred is against the Jews and Islamic people and others and I have been trying for years to have the deputies and Mr Hsiung stop anti-Semitic posts from being allowed to stand which could lead a subset of readers to think that anti-Semitism is supportive here and conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community and it will be good for this community as a whole because Mr Hsiung, and his deputies that do his wishes , has in the TOS here that what Mr Hsiung does in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole. I do not think that allowing statements to stand that could lead a Jew or others to feel put down/accused could be good for this community as a whole.
If you are interested in my efforts to stop statements here that could put down Jews and others, I am asking that you start by reading the following. You see, by me accomplishing my goal to eradicate the statements that put down Jews here, then I could start to have the Jewish perspective as revealed to me, to be allowed to be posted here without the prohibition posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung , and since a deputy has the function to carry out the wishes of Mr Hsiung, they also could stop me.
In the following post, I am asking readers to understand what {anti-Judaism} is. And to try to understand how allowing anti-Semitic statements here could induce hate in the people that go along with it. That kind of hate, psychologists say, can destroy those that it infects and induce hostility to not only Jews, but to others as well.
Now one of my purposes here is to offer a way that you could be led out of the darkness of depression and addiction. The way that I could do this is prevented because of the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1026270.html
Posted by Dinah on December 9, 2013, at 12:48:45
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-, posted by Lou Pilder on December 7, 2013, at 10:42:30
Lou, nobody need post anything to induce hatred of Lou Pilder. You've done a fine job of that yourself.
Posted by Dinah on December 9, 2013, at 12:50:03
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe-, posted by Dinah on December 9, 2013, at 12:48:45
Thanks a lot, Dr. Bob.
I actually do regret that. I expect better from myself.
Posted by Dinah on December 9, 2013, at 12:52:03
In reply to There, I was led into temptation, posted by Dinah on December 9, 2013, at 12:50:03
And, Dr. Bob?
My negative feelings towards Lou at this moment are largely due to your refusal to sanction him for clearly uncivil posts.
So I suppose Lou did have some help.
Posted by Dinah on December 9, 2013, at 12:58:33
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-, posted by Lou Pilder on December 7, 2013, at 10:42:30
To reassure you, Lou, my feelings towards you will not lead to any violence. I won't even suggest the possibility. I would consider that beneath contempt.
Nor will it spill towards Jews in general.
Posted by Dinah on December 9, 2013, at 13:08:18
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-, posted by Lou Pilder on December 7, 2013, at 10:42:30
I probably overspoke when I said "hate".
But I am head explodingly angry with the fact that you get a pass to post things like...
"There are countries where that could put on-line promoters of what they say will be good for a community as a whole, that insult Islam, to be captured and killed or imprisoned.
So if you think that by you failing to act on these statements that you have some type of immunity in some other countries, be advised that there are countries where anyone that is involved in insulting Islam could be executed,, even the deputies of the on-line promoter and conceivably any of the members that are in concert with you to allow statements that put down and insult Islam."http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055740.html
Posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 13:56:45
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe-, posted by Dinah on December 9, 2013, at 13:08:18
> But I am head explodingly angry with the fact that you get a pass to post things like...
Let It Be.
To me, things have progressed far beyond the irrational so as to become comical. This is sad. It is fun to watch, though.
Were we to be watching a match of wits and stamina, Dr. Hsiung is not faring very well against Lou Pilder. I do not believe that either party has formed a working theory of the mind of the other. It is almost as if both people have Aspergers Syndrome. (I believe the DSM V has discontinued this diagnosis in favor of a model in which Aspergers symptomatology is contained in an autistic spectrum).
Is Dr. Bob prejudicial in his treatment of Lou Pilder for feelings of kindredship with a fellow Aspergers suffer? I don't know. For all I know, maybe the JDL or UJA are involved.
Dr. Hsiung is reaping what he sows. I told him. He wouldn't listen. Others have told him, too.
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on December 9, 2013, at 14:05:10
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe- » Dinah, posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 13:56:45
I know.
But you have no idea how offensive it is to me, as someone with a great enough liking for Judaism to twice try to convert, to be continually accused of anti-semetism.
One of the things that struck me in the description of INTP is that we are relatively easy-going until one of our fundamental values are violated.
My fundamental values have been violated here for some time. It is unspeakably offensive to me to be told that it's ok for sh*t to be thrown, because it's good for us to learn to not care about sh*t being thrown at us.
It is unspeakably offensive to me that Twinleaf is blocked for a far lesser offense than Lou has been committing for some time.
Babble is becoming unspeakably offensive to me, however much I care for Babblers. I need to leave. At least for a while, and hopefully for longer than a while.
Thanks, Scott.
Posted by 10derheart on December 9, 2013, at 14:15:16
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe- » SLS, posted by Dinah on December 9, 2013, at 14:05:10
I understand. Completely.
I try so hard to apply the fruits of the spirit to all this, yet I repeatedly fail.
A bitter, bitter pill composed of unfairness, injustice, and egregious incivility is what we are being asked to stomach, and I just will not. Especially not in the name of some kind of {eyes rolling} "teachable moments."
I'll choose my own teachers for these moments and they won't include among them Lou Pilder or Dr. Bob.
(((Dinah)))
Posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 14:22:50
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe- » Dinah, posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 13:56:45
> It is almost as if both people have Aspergers Syndrome.
"Dinah, do you have PTSD?"
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055672.html
Let me rephrase:
Dr. Bob, do you have Aspergers?
- Scott
Posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 14:27:07
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe- » SLS, posted by Dinah on December 9, 2013, at 14:05:10
> I know.
>
> But you have no idea how offensive it is to me, as someone with a great enough liking for Judaism to twice try to convert,OMG <big smile>.
> to be continually accused of anti-semetism.
That is one of things happening here that motivates me to keep posting stuff on Administration.
> I need to leave. At least for a while, and hopefully for longer than a while.
OMG <real tears>
- Scott
Posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 14:29:05
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe- » Dinah, posted by 10derheart on December 9, 2013, at 14:15:16
> (((Dinah)))
(((10derheart - Dinah - Scott)))
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on December 9, 2013, at 21:06:20
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe-, posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 14:29:05
Twinleaf and Lar also were blocked. Anyone feel Dr Bob is cleaning house? Phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 10, 2013, at 2:14:10
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe-, posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 14:22:50
> My fundamental values have been violated here for some time. It is unspeakably offensive to me to be told that it's ok for sh*t to be thrown, because it's good for us to learn to not care about sh*t being thrown at us.
>
> DinahYou consider me to be violating your values because I'm allowing Lou to post whereas you wouldn't? I could accept that. Reasonable people can disagree.
I didn't intend to imply that you shouldn't care. What I meant to say was that you (and not just you) might benefit from learning how to more effectively shield yourself. To keep yourself from being hurt. One can be nice and dry under an umbrella and still hate the rain.
--
> Dr. Bob, do you have Aspergers?
>
> SLSWould it matter if I did?
Bob
Posted by SLS on December 10, 2013, at 2:28:02
In reply to Re: shielding oneself, posted by Dr. Bob on December 10, 2013, at 2:14:10
> > Dr. Bob, do you have Aspergers?
> >
> > SLS
>
> Would it matter if I did?
>
> BobI don't understand your question. Could you be more specific?
- Scott
Posted by SLS on December 10, 2013, at 3:07:39
In reply to Re: shielding oneself » Dr. Bob, posted by SLS on December 10, 2013, at 2:28:02
> > Dr. Bob, do you have Aspergers?
> Would it matter if I did?
Would it matter if I had bipolar disorder?
I still don't understand your question. If you would be kind enough to answer mine, I could use your answer as a template that I could work with to answer yours.
It does matter to me personally that I communicate with you more effectively. Knowing that your thought and behavioral styles are best understood as emergent in a psychobiological environment of Aspergers Syndrome could enhance communication. Of course, disclosure could leave you more easiliy targeted by those who would use ignorance and stigma to further their agendas at your expense.
If you did have Aspergers and decided to disclose this information on Psycho-Babble, what might be the advantages of this action?
If you did have Aspergers and decided to disclose this information on Psycho-Babble, what might be the disadvantages of this action?
If I were in your position, I would disclose very little personal information. Still, I am motivated to ask questions that might yield to me knowledge and understanding.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on December 10, 2013, at 3:21:36
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe- » Dinah, posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 13:56:45
> To me, things have progressed far beyond the irrational so as to become comical. This is sad. It is fun to watch, though
Is this uncivil to say? I know that it is not very pretty to look at, and I don't think that things are so comical and fun to watch at the moment. I wish that I hadn't written this, but I remain incredulous at how Psycho-Babble is being managed by its owner.
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on December 10, 2013, at 4:10:43
In reply to Re: shielding oneself, posted by Dr. Bob on December 10, 2013, at 2:14:10
> You consider me to be violating your values because I'm allowing Lou to post whereas you wouldn't? I could accept that. Reasonable people can disagree.
No. Did I say anything about allowing Lou to post? My issue is allowing him to post things no one else would be allowed to post. You don't even give him a PBC.
Has he threatened you with legal action? Why is Lou so allfire special?
I've shown my therapist previous posts by Lou, even before this reprehensible latest. He couldn't even believe you allowed those. I can't imagine he'd want me anywhere near a place that allows intimations of violence towards me, without sanction.
Well, if this is a homeless shelter that only protects the homeless, I hope you're happy when everyone you don't consider homeless walks off. And I gotta tell you, Dr. Bob. Even homeless shelters don't allow their inmates to threaten others on their premises. So that isn't a fair comparison. This is more like a prison ward, where all those not incarcerated or armed guards can safely be on the premises.
I remember when Babble was considered a place to serve all those dealing with mental health issues. Clearly that is no longer the case. When I was a deputy, I wouldn't have even considered protecting one person, while allowing threats of violence against other people. That is so far beyond my comprehension I can't even grasp the concept of allowing it. Even my bastard middle school teachers drew the line with threats of bodily harm, much less kidnapping and execution.
I agree with Scott that this has gone beyond bizarre. Possibly into medical negligence. But I don't find it particularly amusing. Will this be part of your next research papers? What is the topic? Changing the moderation of an internet bulletin board? Changing the target population of an internet bulletin board? Seeing how far you need to go to drive off the most loyal of your board members? Deciding how many people it's ok to harm to protect one person?
I'm literally shuddering, literally convulsively trembling, from distress, and crying even after a Risperdal. You are hurting me, Dr. Bob. But maybe you should hurl some more sh*t at me and see if I make it through the crucible or crack in the furnace.
You disgust me, Dr. Bob.
And I disgust myself. Anyone with a modicum of self respect wouldn't ever come to a site where they are threatened with the full knowledge and implied consent of the moderator.
Posted by Dinah on December 10, 2013, at 4:22:45
In reply to Re: shielding oneself, posted by Dr. Bob on December 10, 2013, at 2:14:10
And I have to say, shielding myself against Lou is not my biggest problem. Shielding myself against the fact that you are aiding and abetting abuse towards me and towards 10der and towards others is something I will never ever be able to do.
You are abusing us by providing an environment where abuse is allowed, even encouraged.
I wouldn't even want to try to shield myself from that. Why should I?
Posted by Dinah on December 10, 2013, at 4:31:02
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe- » Dinah, posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 14:27:07
Scott, I want to say that I appreciate your support. I also appreciate your civility and your wisdom and your dedication to Babble.
I'd be happy to keep in touch. If you don't have my email address (which hasn't changed), I think you know those who know my email address. I know your babblemail isn't on.
Posted by Dinah on December 10, 2013, at 4:53:12
In reply to Re: shielding oneself » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on December 10, 2013, at 4:10:43
In case I confused anyone.
> Why can't I be included in the net of protection that Lou has with you? (You can't deny that you give him protection from other posters.)
(Dr. Bob's Reply) >> Think of me as a homeless shelter. You can't be included because you're not homeless.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/psycho/20130930/msgs/1055858.html
Posted by SLS on December 10, 2013, at 16:43:51
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe- » SLS, posted by Dinah on December 10, 2013, at 4:31:02
> Scott, I want to say that I appreciate your support. I also appreciate your civility and your wisdom and your dedication to Babble.
>
> I'd be happy to keep in touch. If you don't have my email address (which hasn't changed), I think you know those who know my email address. I know your babblemail isn't on.I would like that. I turned on my Babblemail.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on December 10, 2013, at 16:45:34
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe-, posted by SLS on December 10, 2013, at 16:43:51
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 16, 2013, at 10:34:05
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe-, posted by Dinah on December 9, 2013, at 12:48:45
> Lou, nobody need post anything to induce hatred of Lou Pilder. You've done a fine job of that yourself.
Friends,
The claim against me as you can see above is part of a much more body of psychological tactics that are used here that may be unbeknownst to you. I intend to expose how this site can promote hatred toward the Jews and other faiths that are not Christiandom based. You will see for yourself how hatred can be manipulated into the minds of readers by the tactics used here as you see for yourselves right here in this post. The claim by Dinah could be understood by a subset of readers that what I post here is doing a fine job of inducing hatred of me. There is not specified as to what I have posted here that induces hatred to me as the poster claims. This could mean that anything that I post here is what induces hatred of me. That could mean that what I post here in my attempts to have the statements that put down Jews and other faiths be notated by Mr Hsiung as not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and that those statements in question are not in accordance with Mr Hsiung's drafted rule to not post what could put down those of other faiths. I do not know the subset of readers that could hate me for posting my objections to anti-Semitism allowed to be considered by a subset of readers as supportive and will be good for this community as a whole on the basis that Mr Hsiung states that he does what will be good for this community as a whole and does not wait to sanction statements that could put down those of other faiths because he states that one match could start a forest fire.
So I see the claim by Dinah here as a false statement about my character that could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings against me. I intend to show you how the psychological aspect of {projection} fits into this matter here and how psychological manipulation or influence against me can be fostered here. Be advised that the God that I give service and worship to, which is the same God that the Jews also do, is a Sun and a Shield. But no shield can protect one from being attacked from behind.
My overriding concern here is that readers could be indoctrinated by seeing Dinah's false claim about me here, for I will show you that any hatred toward me here could be a result of readers being steered to hate Jews and me as Jew by that there are statements that are anti-Semitic being allowed to stand here and Mr. Hsiung states that he does what will be good for this community as a whole so there could be a subset of readers that trust him at that in regards that anti-Semitic statements are allowed to stand here will be good for this community as a whole and could then be against me for wanting anti-Semitic statements to be stopped, for as long as those statements are considered civil here, then others could post even analogous statements that could further arouse hatred toward the Jews and others and me as a Jew here.
And worse, since Dinah's claim against me here is allowed, a subset of readers could think that Mr. Hsiung is validating the libel of me which could steer the perception of me and advance, promote and foster the interests of anti-Semitism and hatred toward other faiths outside of Christiandom.
Lou
Posted by SLS on December 16, 2013, at 11:03:33
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-Lou's respons to Dinah's claim » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on December 16, 2013, at 10:34:05
> > Lou, nobody need post anything to induce hatred of Lou Pilder. You've done a fine job of that yourself.
> The claim by Dinah could be understood by a subset of readers that what I post here is doing a fine job of inducing hatred of me.
Okay. I think Dinah has expressed her regrets for having posted such things. Unfortunately, she seems to have chosen to leave Psycho-Babble, so
What percentage of people on Psycho-Babble would you guess hate you?
What would you guess are the most common reasons why people might hate you?
I am vehement in my disagreement with you on many issues. However, this does not make me hateful of you as a person.
- Scott
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