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Posted by NikkiT2 on May 9, 2007, at 12:54:00
In reply to Re: Damn, Dinah. This freedom's addictive! :^) » gardenergirl, posted by scratchpad on May 9, 2007, at 12:40:37
I think we all understand that Bob sometimes needs time away.. has more pressing issues, or simply needs a break.
BUT, he has to communicate this - atleast to his deputies.
Even I am feeling annoyed at his lack of action around here. Its simply not professional behaviour at the very least, and I find it ethically dangerous.
Nikki
Posted by Deneb on May 9, 2007, at 13:11:08
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my! » Deneb, posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 9:05:52
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 13:16:22
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my! » gardenergirl, posted by Happyflower on May 9, 2007, at 12:24:39
> If you really want to help with the load of the deputies, why not come off leave?I haven't been writing about "helping with the load" of the deputies. I've been writing about shabby treatment. It's this treatment that has contributed to the load. Me coming off leave, even if it were the right thing to do for me at this point in time, would do nothing to change that condition.
> I realize you are frustrated with Dr. Bob, but saying he has a personlity disorder probably won't help much.
Thanks for that tip. I'll be sure to continue to avoid doing that.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 13:19:08
In reply to Re: Damn, Dinah. This freedom's addictive! :^) » gardenergirl, posted by scratchpad on May 9, 2007, at 12:40:37
Intangible benefits, of course. But bennies all the same. :)
Posted by one woman cine on May 9, 2007, at 13:22:25
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my! » Happyflower, posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 13:16:22
If he was a sociopath, he'd have a huge mess on his hands!!!
I hope the deputies, past and present, find some respite...
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 13:23:44
In reply to Re: Damn, Dinah. This freedom's addictive! :^) » scratchpad, posted by Phillipa on May 9, 2007, at 12:49:45
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 14:01:51
In reply to communication is all it needs, posted by NikkiT2 on May 9, 2007, at 12:54:00
Posted by Happyflower on May 9, 2007, at 15:44:17
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my! » Happyflower, posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 13:16:22
I understand what you are saying. I just question the "shabby treatment". What does the deputies want to do that they can't do now? I guess I don't know all that deputies do, except issue warnings, blocks and redirect posts. Maybe their is more to it than that, I just don't know. But Bob not being here, I don't see what it really matters, when he is here, he isn't here that much anyways. (I can't believe I am defending Dr. Bob). I understand that you are frusterated as heck, but I am just surprised about what you are saying about Dr. BOb. BUt then again I have said a lot of things too.
But isn't coming on here and talking negatively about administation and Dr. Bob, against the rules, and it is forcing even more pressure on the duputies on what to do with your posts? Do they support you or apply the rules the same as they would do to anyone? I know I wouldn't want to be put in the position of enforcing rules against my friends, for whatever their reasons, even if they are right.
You do have some valid points I see that, but wouldn't it be better to talk about this privately with Dr. Bob? I am just thinking he is having a family emergencey and wouldn't it feel really bad to come back and see this stuff written about himself? I am sure he isn't doing this on purpose. Maybe he is in the hopital himself? This isn't like Dr. BOb, and I am sure there is something going on with him that is serious. I have been only on this site for 2 years, but I have never seen him do anything like this, so I am think it rare, although stressful, I am sure he isn't trying to make the deputies upset.
I also question him being a narraissit. When I met him, I couldn't get him to say ANY thing about himself.
Posted by fayeroe on May 9, 2007, at 15:47:37
In reply to Thanks » fayeroe, posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 8:55:11
> I hope the weather has let up. It sounds like it's been very scary for those in the path of the storms.
my kids were huddled in a closet, downstairs, in their house for hours last night. it appears that we're in for a really bad tornado season. one hit Lockhart about four weeks ago. but it was south of where my house is. pat
>
> gg
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 15:49:40
In reply to Re: Thanks » gardenergirl, posted by fayeroe on May 9, 2007, at 15:47:37
Posted by scratchpad on May 9, 2007, at 15:56:57
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my! » gardenergirl, posted by Happyflower on May 9, 2007, at 15:44:17
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 16:15:49
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my! » gardenergirl, posted by Happyflower on May 9, 2007, at 15:44:17
> I understand what you are saying. I just question the "shabby treatment".
I would imagine that it's in the eye of the beholder or in this case, the treated.
> But isn't coming on here and talking negatively about administation and Dr. Bob, against the rules, and it is forcing even more pressure on the duputies on what to do with your posts?
I'm not talking about the administration. I'm talking about Dr. Bob. It's true, he might feel accused and put down by my words. There's nothing here that I haven't already told him privately multiple times. I wrote what I did the way I did with intention. I believe my post came across exactly as I intended. I'm aware that it might not be civil, and I'm prepared for and will be accepting of whatever consequences come my way. I've told the deputies that I'm okay with any action they might feel is necessary, though I acknowledge it might feel tricky for them.
> Do they support you or apply the rules the same as they would do to anyone?
These are not mutually exclusive possibilities.
> I know I wouldn't want to be put in the position of enforcing rules against my friends, for whatever their reasons, even if they are right.
That's an important thing for potential deputy candidates to consider, because it can and does happen. I'd quibble on the use of "put in" a situation, but that's not really the point.
> I am sure he isn't trying to make the deputies upset.
I agree. If he were trying to make people upset, that would make him sadistic.
> I also question him being a narraissit. When I met him, I couldn't get him to say ANY thing about himself.
Happy, there are personality traits we all have, and then there are clinical personality problems. We all have some degree of narcissism. It's a scalable trait. In fact, a healthy degree of narcissism is pretty much crucial for healthy functioning. The terms "narcissist" or NPD are clinical concepts and are a different animals altogether from talking about a trait. I have to stress again that I've not labeled Dr. Bob with any clinical term. Rather, I've at times described his behavior as narcissistic and/or coming from a narcissistic drive. This may seem picayune, but I want to be very very clear about what I'm saying and what I'm *not* saying. It would be inappropriate for me or anyone else to label someone diagnostically from afar and in the absence of a clinical assessment. I'd like to avoid feeling accused of doing so, particularly when I'm not.
gg
Posted by Happyflower on May 9, 2007, at 16:30:02
In reply to Walk a mile in a deputy's shoes (nm) » Happyflower, posted by scratchpad on May 9, 2007, at 15:56:57
I am not saying I know what it is to be in your shoes. Actually in my post I said that I don't know everything that deputies do. I am not saying that deputies have anything not to be stressed about. Some of us regular posters have felt the same way when our issues have been ignored. We are in this together. It just seems to me that we should come together in times like this.
All I know is I doubt Dr. BOb is purposely trying to do anything to anyone, and maybe he deserves a break. Maybe he is on his death bed,mabye in a mental hospital, or someone in his family is in the hospital, and can't get in touch with the deputies. I think it would be best to find out what is going before he gets upset about what is being said about him and closing down this site for good.
Posted by Happyflower on May 9, 2007, at 16:36:20
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my! » Happyflower, posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 16:15:49
Posted by sdb on May 9, 2007, at 16:43:22
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my! » Happyflower, posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 16:15:49
I don't read every post but...you're right Bob, are you? It makes people a little bit upset if they don't know. Probably it would make sense to say: I have a lot to do because...there is a private thing that makes...
IMO it is negative to accuse by speculation. If there is a problem and there are a more than 10^10 of problems possible I just wish you and everybody well :-)
sdb
footnote:two citations of the day (pick up what you want);
The biggest decision in your life is that you're able to change your life by changing your mentality, Albert Schweitzer
If you're criticized, then you must do something right because somebody does only attack the one that holds the ball, Bruce Lee
Posted by Quintal on May 9, 2007, at 16:58:23
In reply to Re: Walk a mile in a deputy's shoes » scratchpad, posted by Happyflower on May 9, 2007, at 16:30:02
>All I know is I doubt Dr. BOb is purposely trying to do anything to anyone, and maybe he deserves a break. Maybe he is on his death bed,mabye in a mental hospital, or someone in his family is in the hospital, and can't get in touch with the deputies.
Happyflower, I appreciate your loyalty to Dr. Bob and maybe this is none of my business, but I think what's narking the deputies so much is that Dr. Bob has taken the time to change the psycho-babble photo and reply to a few threads at the top of the admin board on two separate days. It's quite difficult to conceive of a scenario where Dr. Bob could not have had the opportunity during this time to send a short email maybe saying something like: "Hi, sorry about the delay, don't worry I'm fine - and you're doing a wonderful job in my absence. Keep up the good work. Sorry gotta dash (so busy right now!) Tally-Ho. Bob".
It took me all of ten seconds to write that. The lack of any such communication from Dr. Bob despite having had obvious opportunity to do so has lead gardenergirl (and myself, and many others) to suspect that he is purposefully avoiding contact with his deputies for some ulterior motive known unto himself. This is what I was hinting at in these posts over two weeks ago:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070304/msgs/752668.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070304/msgs/752395.htmlQ
Posted by Racer on May 9, 2007, at 18:29:34
In reply to Re: Walk a mile in a deputy's shoes » Happyflower, posted by Quintal on May 9, 2007, at 16:58:23
Since I've seen it come up in a couple of posts, I'll share with you *why* I have opted *not* to offer any official correction to this thread. It's pretty simple:
Dr Bob has made it pretty clear, at least to deputies, that he has somewhat more lenient standards of civility when it comes to criticism directed at him. That being the case, and this one falling short of what I would consider blatant incivility, I chose to leave this for Dr Bob to address himself.
I speak only for myself, not for any fellow deputies. I'm not sure whether this is a communication from Racer the Deputy, or Racer the Poster, so I won't try to figure that part out.
I would like to mention, though, that if I see anything blatantly uncivil, in this thread or any other directed towards Dr Bob, I will take action. This isn't open season here, so no big guns. You can take photographs, though, which is how I see this one...
Posted by Dinah on May 9, 2007, at 18:39:16
In reply to Deputy action on this thread, posted by Racer on May 9, 2007, at 18:29:34
You have spoken well for me too.
Thank you.
Posted by henrietta on May 9, 2007, at 20:31:23
In reply to Deputy action on this thread, posted by Racer on May 9, 2007, at 18:29:34
G#d, this is hysterical. LOL.. ROTFL. What a JOKE. Addressed to Racer, GG, and Dinah.
And whatsername. Own up, examine yerselves.
Emotional child abuse equals abuse of power.
Some victims identify with the abuser, and try to curry favor with the abuser, aim to emulate the abuser of power.
Some cry BULLY as they continue to subtly bully others. Some cry NARCISIST as they exhibit blatantly narcissistic behavior. Some play the "I'm not touching you game" as they accuse others of torturing them with the "I'm not touching you game".
I think, however, it's healthy that our deputies are trying to break out of this cycle----I think it's healthy that deputies are recognizing some stuff many of us have been objecting to for a number of years. I do think, as well, that no deputy should presume to issue admonitions of any kind to other posters until this has been addressed. Recuse yourselves. If you won't issue PCB s to fellow deputies when they are obivously warranted by "site guidelines", then how do you have the ethical authority to issue them to anyone else?
On a site like this, where so many people have been the victims of the abuse of power, how can any of you in good conscience continue to support the administration's "guidelines" while you, yourselves, simultaneously enforce and controvert them? Where is integrity? Where is good faith? What are you thinking?
Posted by gardenergirl on May 9, 2007, at 20:41:37
In reply to Re: Deputy action on this thread » Racer, posted by henrietta on May 9, 2007, at 20:31:23
Was that actually easier to type than whatsername's actual name, whoever whatsername might be? Please, don't put yourself out dear. Use whatever epithets (as in Merriam-Webster's definition 1a) you find easiest.
gg
Posted by Declan on May 9, 2007, at 20:49:37
In reply to Re: Deputy action on this thread » Racer, posted by henrietta on May 9, 2007, at 20:31:23
FWIW, I think that people, sometimes, left to their own devices, will tear each other to bits.
And for what?
Maybe there's been unfairness.
Escalating blocks were unfair.
Maybe sometimes there is a group psychology that can make it hard for people to see clearly.But to suggest thst deputies are operating in bad faith seems over the top to me.
Posted by Quintal on May 9, 2007, at 21:04:06
In reply to Re: Deputy action on this thread, posted by Declan on May 9, 2007, at 20:49:37
>FWIW, I think that people, sometimes, left to their own devices, will tear each other to bits.
So would it be ethical to stand by, watch, and do nothing?
Q
Posted by Dinah on May 9, 2007, at 21:21:48
In reply to Re: Deputy action on this thread » Racer, posted by henrietta on May 9, 2007, at 20:31:23
> Some cry BULLY as they continue to subtly bully others. Some cry NARCISIST as they exhibit blatantly narcissistic behavior. Some play the "I'm not touching you game" as they accuse others of torturing them with the "I'm not touching you game".
You've been asked to be civil before, so I'm going to have to block you from posting for one week.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Declan on May 9, 2007, at 21:21:56
In reply to Re: Deputy action on this thread » Declan, posted by Quintal on May 9, 2007, at 21:04:06
No, that's why I posted....because I did not feel that Henrietta's post was helpful.
You're up late.
Posted by Dinah on May 9, 2007, at 21:31:11
In reply to Re: Deputy action on this thread » Quintal, posted by Declan on May 9, 2007, at 21:21:56
> No, that's why I posted....because I did not feel that Henrietta's post was helpful.
Please respect the views of others and be sensitive to their feelings.
FWIW, I think everyone, in their own way, is trying to be helpful. It's just that different people have different ideas of what is needed.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
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