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Posted by sleepygirl on June 6, 2006, at 19:27:43
In reply to Why not just designate an exile island site?, posted by greywolf on June 5, 2006, at 9:40:02
Posted by fayeroe on June 6, 2006, at 23:35:27
In reply to Re: Why not just designate an exile island site?, posted by Dinah on June 5, 2006, at 11:44:31
> I wouldn't call it an exile island site, but PsychCentral is a similar site to Babble I understand, where many current and former Babblers post?
Thanks for not calling PC an "exile island site", Dinah. We've had a few blocked Babblers come over and post after being banned from here. Some have stayed and others didn't spend much time there.
As someone mentioned, it probably won't work for someone who wants to hang out and complain about Babble.
I went to PC after being blocked here and I stayed. The two sites are managed very differently. What works for some, doesn't work for others.
We welcome all and even have an "Internet Travelers Lounge" for visitors.
And again, thank you for not labeling PC as an exile site for blocked Babblers.Pat
Posted by Dinah on June 7, 2006, at 7:52:26
In reply to Re: Why not just designate an exile island site?, posted by fayeroe on June 6, 2006, at 23:35:27
:)
I may not have been there for a while, but I know better than to think that.
I did want to remind people it was there.
I hope you're doing well, fayeroe.
Dinah
Posted by greywolf on June 7, 2006, at 8:28:01
In reply to Re: Why not just designate an exile island site? » fayeroe, posted by Dinah on June 7, 2006, at 7:52:26
Again, "exile island" is not meant to convey anything except a meeting point using pop terminology.
And I really don't think using an existing service would work. I'm sure that the operators of such sites wouldn't favor it and, frankly, just saying "if you're blocked at babble, we'll look for you among the hundreds/thousands of posters at another site" doesn't offer much support. You might as well just stick to email. Plus, I wouldn't feel comfortable posting at Dr. Bob's site to encourage visits to other similar sites.
I'm just suggesting a private lounge of a loosely constructed nature. A place for Babblers to hang out and keep in touch that they can rely on, so no one's worried about how someone else is doing, etc.
Posted by fayeroe on June 7, 2006, at 14:30:32
In reply to Re: Why not just designate an exile island site? » fayeroe, posted by Dinah on June 7, 2006, at 7:52:26
> :)
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> I may not have been there for a while, but I know better than to think that.
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> I did want to remind people it was there.
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> I hope you're doing well, fayeroe.
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> Dinahthanks for your reply, dinah.......
i'm doing very well. how are you?
it is very, very hot here and i'm moving to Austin...so i can be even hotter. :-)
p
Posted by Dinah on June 7, 2006, at 14:41:38
In reply to Re: Why not just designate an exile island site?, posted by fayeroe on June 7, 2006, at 14:30:32
I'm very hot as well. Trying to figure out whether it's cooler to have short hair or long hair pulled into ponytails, and did away with all my shirts with sleeves.
My son's friend evacuated to Austin. He said it was a wonderful city and he wasn't sure he was happy to be back home. :)
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 9, 2006, at 3:27:33
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob » Dinah, posted by Dinah on June 5, 2006, at 3:16:45
> If you can't leave Babblemail on entirely, could you leave it on in a one way direction, so that posters can Babblemail the blocked poster and pass on email addresses or words of support if they wish?
Thanks for your ongoing creativity. :-) I'm open to revising this, how about if we have a discussion among the deputies? Would you mind starting us off?
Bob
Posted by zazenduck on June 9, 2006, at 10:31:59
In reply to Re: leaving Babblemail on, posted by Dr. Bob on June 9, 2006, at 3:27:33
Bob why does it need to be a noninclusive discussion? A discussion is all ready ongoing here. Why exclude people? Some might feel hurt or put down mightn't they?
But what do I know ? I just hoi polloi poultry.
>
I'm open to revising this, how about if we have a discussion among the deputies? Would you mind starting us off?
>
> Bob
Posted by Dinah on June 9, 2006, at 12:24:09
In reply to Inclusive discussions? » Dr. Bob, posted by zazenduck on June 9, 2006, at 10:31:59
I'm all for inclusive discussions as well.
And at the very least for not publicly disclosing an exclusive one. :) I think perhaps Mother still needs to register under her own screen name.
By all means, why should we not continue here? I saw no forbidding of the discussion.
Posted by zazenduck on June 9, 2006, at 16:00:55
In reply to Re: Inclusive discussions? » zazenduck, posted by Dinah on June 9, 2006, at 12:24:09
> I'm all for inclusive discussions as well.
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> And at the very least for not publicly disclosing an exclusive one. :) I think perhaps Mother still needs to register under her own screen name.
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> By all means, why should we not continue here? I saw no forbidding of the discussion.Well since he asked you to start the discussion with the deputies I guess you could start it on the board in public if you wanted. It's really up to you isn't it?
I think you are a strong competent woman and can stand up for what you believe without any help from your mom :) Why ever would you think you needed her?
But how do you know she isn't posting here all ready and just hasn't told you?
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkk!
Posted by Dinah on June 9, 2006, at 19:41:28
In reply to Re: Inclusive discussions? » Dinah, posted by zazenduck on June 9, 2006, at 16:00:55
> Well since he asked you to start the discussion with the deputies I guess you could start it on the board in public if you wanted. It's really up to you isn't it?
Well, ok. Here goes.
Would you consider not including Babblemail in blocks, unless Babblemail has been abused?
I understand and appreciate the purpose behind including it. But Babble is a large part of some people's support system, and leaving Babblemail on might be helpful while still allowing the posting portion of the block to still be in effect.
I know that some people have exchanged email addresses, but other people haven't.
I can understand if you veto the idea. I really can. But it would be a kindness to leave it on, unless of course it is abused.
> I think you are a strong competent woman and can stand up for what you believe without any help from your mom :) Why ever would you think you needed her?
Ohhh. Never say so. I like to think of myself as precocious and never like to refer to myself as a wo... well, you know. It's one of my idiosyncracies.
> But how do you know she isn't posting here all ready and just hasn't told you?
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> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkk!Oh, I'd know. We'd all know.
:)
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 10, 2006, at 1:51:32
In reply to Inclusive discussions? » Dr. Bob, posted by zazenduck on June 9, 2006, at 10:31:59
> Bob why does it need to be a noninclusive discussion?
It doesn't, please feel free to continue here, too...
Bob
Posted by AuntieMel on June 10, 2006, at 10:14:19
In reply to Re: Inclusive discussions?, posted by Dr. Bob on June 10, 2006, at 1:51:32
I agree. Leave babblemail on - at least one way so that people can get in touch with the blocked person. The only way we can do that now is post our email address. Understandably, many are afraid to do that.
Posted by gardenergirl on June 10, 2006, at 15:19:40
In reply to Re: Inclusive discussions? » Dr. Bob, posted by AuntieMel on June 10, 2006, at 10:14:19
If the Psychobabble yahoo group (where Open was) is still there, I suppose that a person, blocked or not could join that. Your membership profile includes a publically viewable email address if I'm not mistaken. There is no longer chat available in this group, but the group itself is still functional, I believe.
Heck, I think you can even post messages there.
gg
Posted by Dinah on June 11, 2006, at 9:00:01
In reply to Re: Inclusive discussions?, posted by Dr. Bob on June 10, 2006, at 1:51:32
I do understand that the reason behind turning off Babblemail is to increase the incentive to comply with the civility guidelines. And I have enormous sympathy with trying to increase the incentive to comply with the civility guidelines. I love the civility guidelines.
And in many cases, it may not make much of a difference to a person's life if they have no babblemail.
But....
In some cases, Babble is an important pert of a person's support system. And it seems to me that the greater good would be served by allowing access to that support system at a time when the poster is most likely to be distressed.
I don't think there are that many posters who take a block lightly. I don't know that it's necessary to include Babblemail to have them take it seriously.
It could be included in standard block language that continuing the behavior via Babblemail or engaging in any other uncivil behavior via Babblemail will result in the suspension of Babblemail privileges for the length of the block, or even that it will have the same result as posting in doubling the length of the block.
You would have to rely on Babblers to do what many might consider "tattling". But I hope that most Babblers, if the offense was offensive enough, would overcome their distaste of reporting a fellow Babbler and forward the Babblemail on to you as per your instructions.
And no decision is unalterable. If you find that large numbers of blocked posters are also abusing Babblemail, or if you discover that blocks are less of a deterrant when they do not include Babblemail, you can say so and reverse the experiment in generosity.
In fact, on a slightly unrelated note, I think all new rules should be seen in light of an experiment that can be reversed if they don't bring the intended result.
I don't know. It just seems akin to having a crisis and having your therapist unavailable as a natural result of that crisis. And I have a special sympathy for that circumstance. I know Babble isn't therapy, but it can be and sometimes is an important part of a person's support system, so in that way is not dissimilar even though therapy is certainly not disbursed here.
Posted by Dinah on June 12, 2006, at 8:07:23
In reply to Babblemail » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on June 11, 2006, at 9:00:01
Babblers have to say before replying.
So Babblers, do you have anythng to say?
Posted by MidnightBlue on June 12, 2006, at 10:10:05
In reply to Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on June 4, 2006, at 17:01:24
Dr. Bob,
I, too, would like to see Babble mail left on unless it is used in an abusive manner. I am not comfortable giving out an e-mail address to other Babblers. I think Babble mail is one of the best features of this site!
A block for me would be total, and I'm not sure that is the best way to learn what I did wrong or how to keep from repeating it. Without encouragement and support I might never come back.
MidnightBlue
Posted by muffled on June 12, 2006, at 12:00:05
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob, posted by MidnightBlue on June 12, 2006, at 10:10:05
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 12, 2006, at 22:19:30
In reply to It's possible that Dr. Bob is waiting to see what, posted by Dinah on June 12, 2006, at 8:07:23
deputies have to say before replying.
Bob
Posted by Dinah on June 12, 2006, at 22:26:11
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob is waiting to see what, posted by Dr. Bob on June 12, 2006, at 22:19:30
Deputies aren't more important than posters. They're just posters who help you out, Dr. Bob.
Please don't set up artificial barriers, Dr. Bob.
Posted by muffled on June 12, 2006, at 22:38:44
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob is waiting to see what » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on June 12, 2006, at 22:26:11
Posted by muffled on June 12, 2006, at 22:41:28
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob is waiting to see what, posted by Dr. Bob on June 12, 2006, at 22:19:30
WEASLE!!!!!!
LOL!!!!!
Weasles are smart and can sure snake around things!
Perfect.
:-)
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 13, 2006, at 17:28:08
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob is waiting to see what » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on June 12, 2006, at 22:26:11
> Deputies aren't more important than posters. They're just posters who help you out, Dr. Bob.
I value what they think, that's one way they help. But if someone really has no opinion, they can just let me know that, too.
Bob
Posted by ClearSkies on June 13, 2006, at 17:31:32
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob is waiting, posted by Dr. Bob on June 13, 2006, at 17:28:08
Maybe if you want to hear from more Babblers, you could put something on the top of the page (like you did announcing the Toronto meeting) and link it to this thread?
ClearSkies
Posted by Dinah on June 13, 2006, at 17:49:59
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob is waiting, posted by Dr. Bob on June 13, 2006, at 17:28:08
I'm sure you meant to add that you value the input of all posters. :)
(Geez, Dr. Bob. I'm doing my best to help you, and me too incidentally. Don't leave me twisting here.)
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