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Posted by sleepygirl on February 7, 2006, at 23:29:01
In reply to A very un-me post, posted by Damos on February 7, 2006, at 20:00:12
>>Maybe it's just our part of the world, but tilting at institutional windmills, barbecuing the occasional sacred cow, and having a healthy disrespect for most things and the ability to 'take the piss' out of all we hold dear are considered essential parts of a healthy, robust society.
I wholeheartedly agree Damos, and I do not understand Alex's block.
I am certainly not wise to most things political (why I can't post on politics board), but I have been known to email the white house - (the things I do when I get annoyed ;-)) - of course then my paranoia ensued
These are scary times, and it would be dangerous not to question them. Unquestioned ideologies can be dangerous in my opinion - not sure if PB can be the forum for political discussion as it is.
I don't understand.
Posted by Damos on February 7, 2006, at 23:33:51
In reply to Re: A very un-me post, posted by crushedout on February 7, 2006, at 20:46:31
Hey Crushed :-) been a long time. Hmm, yeah, u-huh. What you said is exactly how I understood it is 'supposed' to work. Thanks for making it so simple and clear.
Hope you're doing well.
Posted by Damos on February 7, 2006, at 23:37:35
In reply to alexandra-k, I will miss you, posted by James K on February 7, 2006, at 1:44:13
Thanks James, I know she'll appreciate your thoughts. Know you've been doing it tough and saw your apology above. It would've taken a lot to post that mate and it means a lot that you did. Hope you're here with us a long time.
Take care okay.
Posted by AuntieMel on February 8, 2006, at 10:01:58
In reply to Re: A very un-me post, posted by ClearSkies on February 7, 2006, at 22:34:19
Hi there CS
That is one thing that is different between us, isn't it? I like debate and you can't stand it.
<note to anyone reading. CS and I have talked about this many times, in a friendly way>
I think maybe one reason I like it is because I, myself, don't get upset when someone disagrees with me. Even if they are impassioned and technically uncivil. In fact, that is what I *hopes* happens on the political board. Otherwise, what good is it.
Others (you, I believe?) find debates to be too much like fights. Issues are a matter of *feeling* instead of (just) thinking for them.
Neither is right or wrong. Just different.
<how are you doing these days?>
Posted by AuntieMel on February 8, 2006, at 10:04:05
In reply to Re: A very un-me post, posted by ClearSkies on February 7, 2006, at 22:34:19
I don't think Alex should have been blocked either.
And since she was talking to me, that should count for something, right?
Posted by ClearSkies on February 8, 2006, at 10:57:19
In reply to Re: One more thing » ClearSkies, posted by AuntieMel on February 8, 2006, at 10:04:05
> I don't think Alex should have been blocked either.
>
> And since she was talking to me, that should count for something, right?Therein lies the rub with civility and blocks. Once they start, they seem to keep coming unless the style and content of the communication is altered. Unfortunately, it didn't matter that Alex was conversing with you at the time- according to Dr Bob and his his rules, she broke them. And the block is a done deal.
Though as we saw with Larry Hoover, these things are no longer set in cyber-stone. This is progress.<I am oodles better today. I don't care if it's hypomania, I will take it after all this gloom.>
ClearSkies
Posted by Dinah on February 8, 2006, at 11:09:22
In reply to Re: A very un-me post, posted by ClearSkies on February 7, 2006, at 22:34:19
I just don't want to see it back on Social.
It hurt me a lot sometimes to stumble across those things on Social.
Posted by AuntieMel on February 8, 2006, at 11:15:10
In reply to Re: A very un-me post » ClearSkies, posted by Dinah on February 8, 2006, at 11:09:22
But - I was one of those lobbying for the politics board, so I'm prejudiced.
It's fine with me to have our own corner. We just need to work harder on sticking to the issues.
Posted by ClearSkies on February 8, 2006, at 11:43:13
In reply to Re: A very un-me post » ClearSkies, posted by Dinah on February 8, 2006, at 11:09:22
> I just don't want to see it back on Social.
>Dinah - what is "it" that you don't want to see?
> It hurt me a lot sometimes to stumble across those things on Social.
Do you mean upsetting threads? There's no such thing as a block-proof board, is there?
I don't think I'm following you here. I'm confused.
ClearSkies
Posted by Dinah on February 8, 2006, at 12:18:01
In reply to Re: A very un-me post » Dinah, posted by ClearSkies on February 8, 2006, at 11:43:13
Well, I'm not sure if you remember Social after the last election. But that's what I'm talking about.
I'm not a Bush supporter, but I'm a lot more conservative than most of the board. And it was hard to keep positive feelings towards Babble after the last election.
I'd rather have it on a separate board, even if the same rules apply.
Posted by ClearSkies on February 8, 2006, at 15:07:43
In reply to Re: A very un-me post » ClearSkies, posted by Dinah on February 8, 2006, at 12:18:01
> Well, I'm not sure if you remember Social after the last election. But that's what I'm talking about.
>
> I'm not a Bush supporter, but I'm a lot more conservative than most of the board. And it was hard to keep positive feelings towards Babble after the last election.
>
> I'd rather have it on a separate board, even if the same rules apply.
OK, yes I understand what you mean.
Thanks for clarifying, Dinah.
CS
Posted by sleepygirl on February 8, 2006, at 18:08:46
In reply to Re: A very un-me post » ClearSkies, posted by Dinah on February 8, 2006, at 11:09:22
ah yes politics.....can be such an unpleasant subject
Posted by Phillipa on February 9, 2006, at 12:19:27
In reply to Re: A very un-me post » Dinah, posted by sleepygirl on February 8, 2006, at 18:08:46
I personally never discuss politics, or religion just to personal. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Damos on February 9, 2006, at 15:20:41
In reply to Re: A very un-me post » ClearSkies, posted by Dinah on February 8, 2006, at 11:09:22
Hi Dinah :-)
I'm with you, Social seem to be able to generate enough 'excitement' all on it's own without adding anything remotely political to the mix.
Really hope you've been doing okay lately, and I have to apologise for not being able to keep up with what's happening for you, and for not being able to respond as much as I'd like to. Means a lot to me that you're here.
(((((Dinah)))))
Posted by Damos on February 9, 2006, at 15:26:55
In reply to Re: One more thing » ClearSkies, posted by AuntieMel on February 8, 2006, at 10:04:05
Hey AuntieMel,
I was kinda hoping you might come and visit with on this thread, so thank you. Your opinions and point of view matter to me and I really admire the way you are on 'Politics'(h*ll, everywhere you are) - your clarity and passion. You bring a lot to the boards and it means a lot to me that you're here.
You take good care now okay.
(((((AuntieMel)))))
Posted by Dinah on February 9, 2006, at 16:56:24
In reply to Re: A very un-me post » Dinah, posted by Damos on February 9, 2006, at 15:20:41
Thanks Damos. And I could say the same to you.
I'm ok today. The answer may be different tomorrow. :)
Posted by 5 on February 27, 2006, at 7:09:42
In reply to Alex's block - Dr Bob, posted by Damos on February 6, 2006, at 20:21:10
Why did this administration thread get ignored? Because you didn't have a good reason for the block? Or because you didn't have the time to come up with one?
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 28, 2006, at 0:43:23
In reply to Re: Alex's block - Dr Bob, posted by 5 on February 27, 2006, at 7:09:42
> Why did this administration thread get ignored? Because you didn't have a good reason for the block? Or because you didn't have the time to come up with one?
I didn't ignore it, I just didn't think I needed to post to it. I thought the reason that I gave, that others might feel accused or put down, was a good one. Do you disagree?
Bob
Posted by 5 on March 1, 2006, at 21:27:25
In reply to Re: Alex's block, posted by Dr. Bob on February 28, 2006, at 0:43:23
> I thought the reason that I gave, that others might feel accused or put down, was a good one. Do you disagree?
When you blocked her you said that the reason was that others might feel accused or put down.
It was AFTER your 'explanation' that people posted saying that they didn't understand. Doesn't that suggest to you that they didn't think your reason was a good one?
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 2, 2006, at 2:40:00
In reply to Re: Alex's block » Dr. Bob, posted by 5 on March 1, 2006, at 21:27:25
> > I thought the reason that I gave, that others might feel accused or put down, was a good one. Do you disagree?
>
> It was AFTER your 'explanation' that people posted saying that they didn't understand. Doesn't that suggest to you that they didn't think your reason was a good one?It could suggest that, reasonable people can disagree. I just hope she didn't take it personally, it didn't mean I didn't like her or thought she was a bad person.
Bob
Posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 3:36:05
In reply to Re: Alex's block, posted by Dr. Bob on March 2, 2006, at 2:40:00
> > > I thought the reason that I gave, that others might feel accused or put down, was a good one. Do you disagree?
I agree that it is good to block people for saying things that are likely to have others feeling accused or put down.
I don't agree that what was said was likely to have others feel accused or put down.
If others did feel accused or put down then I think that would indicate that they took what was said overly personally rather than indicating that what was said was inappropriate.
If someone felt accused or put down by what was said they could have posted something to that effect.
If they had done that then how do you think the poster who was blocked would have responded to that.
It is true that rational people can disagree...
But if they end up endorsing claims that are logically incompatible then (unless paraconsistent logics are true) they cannot both be right.> I just hope she didn't take it personally...
What are blocks about?
I thought they were about protecting the community from comments that are likely to have others feel accused / put down.
Should the blocked poster not take it personally that they were blocked...
While other people are considered entitled in taking what the poster said personally...
Where is the consistency here?
Posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 3:38:37
In reply to Re: Alex's block, posted by Dr. Bob on March 2, 2006, at 2:40:00
> It could suggest that, reasonable people can disagree.
I went to a couple seminars on that today.
That is controversial...
(Does that mean it is true)
lol.It might well be the case that reasonable people can disagree...
But it is still the case that one gets blocked...
Posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 3:53:26
In reply to Re: Alex's block, posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 3:38:37
And if there is reason either way...
Then how do you decide whether to block or not?
Depends on how you are feeling?
Posted by muffled on March 3, 2006, at 1:01:26
In reply to Re: Alex's block, posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 3:53:26
> And if there is reason either way...
>
> Then how do you decide whether to block or not?
>
> Depends on how you are feeling?
>
>Ya good thread, i'd like to know too.
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 6, 2006, at 3:17:05
In reply to Re: Alex's block, posted by 5 on March 2, 2006, at 3:53:26
> Should the blocked poster not take it personally that they were blocked...
>
> While other people are considered entitled in taking what the poster said personally...
>
> Where is the consistency here?One way to look at it is in terms of roles. Mine is to administrate, while that of posters is to support.
> And if there is reason either way...
>
> Then how do you decide whether to block or not?I try to use my best judgment.
Bob
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