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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by SLS on January 10, 2023, at 8:58:33
I apologize for my manner of writing beginning a few weeks ago. My guess is that it was precipitated by a reduction in the dosage of nortriptyline. It was a sort of drug-discontinuation rebound improvement which left me in a state resembling hypomania. It might very well have been hypomania. I can't be sure. The last time that a drug-induced hypomania emerged in me was in 1995.
- Scott
Posted by Jay2112 on January 10, 2023, at 18:27:28
In reply to I apologize for the things I wrote while hypomanic, posted by SLS on January 10, 2023, at 8:58:33
> I apologize for my manner of writing beginning a few weeks ago. My guess is that it was precipitated by a reduction in the dosage of nortriptyline. It was a sort of drug-discontinuation rebound improvement which left me in a state resembling hypomania. It might very well have been hypomania. I can't be sure. The last time that a drug-induced hypomania emerged in me was in 1995.
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> - ScottScott, all's that matters is that you are safe, and I really hope feeling better. I apologize for my inferring anything, and hope I didn't do or say anything wrong or stupid.
Jay :)
Posted by SLS on January 11, 2023, at 19:51:51
In reply to Re: I apologize for the things I wrote while hypomanic » SLS, posted by Jay2112 on January 10, 2023, at 18:27:28
Hi, Jay.
> > I apologize for my manner of writing beginning a few weeks ago. My guess is that it was precipitated by a reduction in the dosage of nortriptyline. It was a sort of drug-discontinuation rebound improvement which left me in a state resembling hypomania. It might very well have been hypomania. I can't be sure. The last time that a drug-induced hypomania emerged in me was in 1995.
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> > - Scott
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> Scott, all's that matters is that you are safe, and I really hope feeling better. I apologize for my inferring anything, and hope I didn't do or say anything wrong or stupid.
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> Jay :)You were right about my experiencing some sort of activation. Perhaps it was true hypomania. It doesn't really matter. I wrote what I wrote. I think I would have been more receptive to your observations were you to address your concerns directly to me rather than about me to the community.
There are worse things, of course. Watching people become their own worst enemies and preclude any kind of meaningful healing is one of them. I dont blame anyone for their desperation. How could I?
Does it make sense to reject psychiatry just because you havent responded to any of its treatments so far? Of course, it makes sense. However, even the purest of logic can yield gross inaccuracies. I understand how this can happen, but obstacles are obstacles. Continually changing the substances that one assaults their brain with is counterproductive - if not irreversibly damaging. I have been my own worst enemy, too. Too many times, I didn't adhere to a treatment protocol strictly enough so as to be able to evaluate its efficacy - information. There are treatments that I had to revisit because I didnt give them enough time to work the first time.
Precious time.
Although the posture I took when posting so many angry words was destructive, the content of what I wrote is no less true and applicable.I would love to be proven wrong. My ego can take it. I would love to watch people achieve remission using methods that I *currently* reject. I dont see how taking a combination of twenty or more herbs and natural substances can be so compelling if it doesnt work year after year while rejecting the use of psychiatric drugs in their entirety - those very same drugs that have allowed people to leave Psycho-Babble over the years to begin new lives. What happened with Deplin and SAMe? Sure, some people feel somewhat better at first, but how much better? Persistent remission?
"The brain determines the mind as the mind sculpts the brain."
With mood disorders, the brain is resistant to being sculpted by the mind. It can be very stubborn. In order to treat depression effectively, one must give any treatment enough time to begin sculpting the brain when the brain is incapable of sculpting itself.I was treatment resistant between the years 1982-2000. In what ways was I different from anyone else on Psycho-Babble in 2019? How did it happen that I became different?
Nardil
Nortriptyline
Lamictal
LithiumNo herbs. No nootropics. No loading up on biological substances that occur endogenously. No mega-dosing vitamins. No micro-dosing drugs. I tried these things myself out of desperation. Who wouldnt after so many years? Ultimately, it was unnatural substances that brought me to remission and allowed me to begin putting together a life worth living.
Right now, I am engaged to be married and planning to move to another state.
N=1Of course, mine is just one anecdote.
It looks like I triggered an exodus. It's a terrible irony.
- Scott
Posted by NKP on January 12, 2023, at 3:21:38
In reply to Re: I apologize for the things I wrote while hypomanic » Jay2112, posted by SLS on January 11, 2023, at 19:51:51
> It looks like I triggered an exodus.
I don't think so. I doubt that people have left; it is just a quiet time. And I doubt that your posts would have upset people to such an extent that they would leave.
Posted by TriedEveryMedication on January 12, 2023, at 8:48:27
In reply to I apologize for the things I wrote while hypomanic, posted by SLS on January 10, 2023, at 8:58:33
No need to apologize. Glad you're feeling better.
Posted by SLS on January 12, 2023, at 9:13:47
In reply to Re: I apologize for the things I wrote while hypomanic, posted by NKP on January 12, 2023, at 3:21:38
> > I apologize for my manner of writing beginning a few weeks ago. My guess is that it was precipitated by a reduction in the dosage of nortriptyline. It was a sort of drug-discontinuation rebound improvement which left me in a state resembling hypomania. It might very well have been hypomania. I can't be sure. The last time that a drug-induced hypomania emerged in me was in 1995.
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> > - Scott
> Scott, all's that matters is that you are safe, and I really hope feeling better. I apologize for my inferring anything, and hope I didn't do or say anything wrong or stupid.
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> Jay :)
You were right about my experiencing some sort of activation. Perhaps it was true hypomania. It doesn't really matter. I wrote what I wrote. I think I would have been more receptive to your observations were you to address your concerns directly to me rather than about me to the community.Although the posture I took when posting so many angry words was destructive, the content of what I wrote is no less true and valuable. The narrative of my history pursuing a cure for my treatment-resistant depressive disorder is, at times, very embarrassing. Nevertheless, I think it is worth reviewing. It contains descriptions of my experiences with depression, my treatment history, and some of the tips for treating seemingly refractory cases. I swallowed untold numbers of pills over the course of 40 years beginning in 1982.
Does it make sense to reject psychiatry just because you havent responded to any of its treatments so far? Of course, it does. However, even the purest of logic can yield the grossest of inaccuracies especially when trying to develop theories without sufficient facts or understandings. I understand how easily this can happen, but obstacles are obstacles.
I have been my own worst enemy, too. Too many times, I didn't adhere to a treatment protocol strictly enough so as to be able to evaluate its efficacy. No information was gleaned. There are treatments that I had to revisit because I didnt give them enough time to work the first time.
There are worse things, of course. Watching people become their own worst enemies and preclude any kind of meaningful healing is one of them. I dont blame anyone for their desperation. How could I?* Continually changing the substances that one assaults their brain with is counterproductive - if not irreversibly damaging.
I consider the following to be one of my more important contributions. It is near the top of my list of issues that have escaped the attention of clinical researchers in psychiatry and Psycho-Babble as well.________________________________________
A single drug can have opposite effects depending on the drug that preceded it.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20220917/msgs/1121433.html
Precious time wasted?
I would love to be proven wrong. My ego can take it. I would love to watch people achieve remission using methods that I *currently* reject. I dont see how taking a combination of twenty or more herbs and natural substances can be so compelling so as to reject proven medical treatments. I find this particularly upsetting because these substances never bring anyone to remission on Psycho-Babble or at least produce a satisfactorily robust response. Those very same drugs many persuasive people reject are the same ones that I was fortunate to attain remission with.What happened to Deplin, SAMe, CBD, herbal teas, piracetam, other nootropics, and a plethora of nutriceuticals? Sure, some people feel somewhat better at first, but how much better? Does it produce a persistent and reliable remission? How have their lives changed in the absence of depression?
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"The brain determines the mind as the mind sculpts the brain."________________________________________
I have not come across a more succinct portrayal of how a healthy brain functions.* With mood disorders, the brain is resistant to being sculpted by the mind. It can be very stubborn, and be resistant to even the most aggressive drug treatments. In order to treat depression effectively, one must give any treatment enough time to begin sculpting the brain when the brain is incapable of sculpting itself.
I was treatment resistant between the years 1982-2000. In what ways was I different from anyone else on Psycho-Babble in 2019? How did it happen that I became different?
Only four substances are taken by me continually since late Spring, 2020. My depression began to remit in a big way after adhering to the following treatment for almost THREE months.
Nardil
Nortriptyline
Lamictal
Lithium
Side effects:1. Dry mouth. This has not disappeared completely, but became much better as I began to respond to treatment. I think this is due to a normalization of autonomic dysfunction. With remission comes a reduction in sympathetic tone and an increase in parasympathetic tone.
2. Anorgasmia. This was followed by delayed orgasm. This was followed by normal orgasmic function. It took three months to resolve completely. I added exercises to help the brain discover and map a new circuit to reach orgasm. I dont know if it helped, but it didnt hurt. I was hoping that the brain would map an alternate route to orgasm, much like stroke victims do for recovering skills.
3. Delayed micturition / urinary hesitancy or retention. - This disappeared with continued treatment.
* No herbs. No nootropics. No loading up on biological substances that occur endogenously. No mega-dosing vitamins. No micro-dosing drugs. I tried these things myself out of desperation. Who wouldnt be desperate after so many years? Ultimately, it was unnatural substances that brought me to remission and allowed me to begin putting together a life worth living.
Right now, I am engaged to be married and planning to move to another state. No more shoveling snow.
N=1Of course, mine is just one anecdote.
I will add that when I started Nardil this last time, I was able to almost completely avoid side effects. I have been on and off Nardil many times in 40 years. This time I played out a hunch and thought that if I started at a dosage low enough, and increased the dosage gradually enough, I might avoid *triggering* side effects in the first place. It worked for everything except anorgasmia, which eventually resolved on its own after a while.
________________________________________I consider the following concept to be one of the most important contributions of mine on Psycho-Babble.
A single drug can have opposite effects depending on the drug that preceded it.http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20220917/msgs/1121433.html
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- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 12, 2023, at 11:33:46
In reply to Re: I apologize for the things I wrote while hypomanic » SLS, posted by TriedEveryMedication on January 12, 2023, at 8:48:27
> No need to apologize. Glad you're feeling better.
Thank you. It's very much appreciated.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 12, 2023, at 19:34:21
In reply to Re: I apologize for the things I wrote while hypomanic, posted by NKP on January 12, 2023, at 3:21:38
Sorry for the mix-up.
Posted by Jay2112 on January 13, 2023, at 17:29:25
In reply to Re: I apologize for the things I wrote while hypomanic » Jay2112, posted by SLS on January 11, 2023, at 19:51:51
Hey Scott:
I read your writing in full, so I ask you please read mine.
As I said, I am just glad you are feeling better, and safe. Safe enough to realize what your drugs may have caused you: mania. I think it's important to realize we all have our own path to healing. My path is not your path. You may get frustrated with 'Complimentary' approaches, but all major health organizations recognize these approaches, which have sometimes proven to be just as effective, of not more, than laboratory chemicals. But, again, the idea is complimentary. I am happy you achieved YOUR remission for YOURSELF. That, is a very unique, individual process. We are all, always in recovery. Billions of variables depend on that. Something horrific could happen....and I wish not. Someone you greatly love...as was my case...could pass with the next minute. I lost a wife and child. My psychiatrist even told me...some people NEVER get over something like that. I haven't. The wound will be there, till I pass this earth. After a four or so year period, I found new love (temporarly), but my meds only were able to work till I got to that point. But, I am not ASYMPTOMATIC, and NO medication will ever make me be. Your 'formula(s)' are not mine, and will not ever work in my case. No psychiatrist will EVER 'fix' me.
What HAS worked for me is coming out of my little hole I dug, and getting into my community. I meet new people, who CARE, I practice mindfulness, which, in it's formal name of CBT, IS the most successful long-term psychological approach to most mental illness'. I wrote about it in my Master's thesis, and have nearly over 1,000 scientific references behind it. References from the Journal Nature, the most prestigious scientific journal.
I help the homeless, the addicted, mentally ill, jobless, physically ill in my job as a community concurrent disorder social worker. THAT is part of my healing, and that is how I was lead on the road to healing and peace was by a fellow social worker, who took me on, as he had lost a child himself.
There is a little story I tell my first year social work students. A man is trapped in a sewer with a grid above him. A doctor walks by, drops down a prescription; a priest walks by, drops down a prayer; finally, a regular guy walks by, opens up the grate and jumps down. The trapped guy goes "That was stupid. Now we are both stuck down here." The guy who jumped down goes "It's okay. I've been down here before, and know the way out."
Medicine has it's great points, but the science in psychiatry is a sham. Laboratory experience is NOT replicating real-life experience. Placebo NOW beats most new drugs in trials, and are being beatten in real-world trials everywhere. As the great psychiatrist Gabor Mate' has said, this capitalist society, a mean, one against another society that values rich man's money over the average working person, has created trauma, sickness, and hopelessness. The promising answer seems to go back to a major, overlooked, promise: psychedelics. I have been microdosing Psilocybin, with some very excellent results. Once every 4-5 days. My 'being' is much lighter...much, much, much so than ever on any drug. However, I take a small dose of Effexor with it, and carbamazepine. They had previously failed me. I may be switching to 10mgs of clomipramine, instead of the Effexor. I am feeling a lift of existential angst, a peace much more like the life I had when I was a teen, before the 'black dog'.
This is more than remission....this is living a life like I have never know. I am not 'high'....but my anger I used to feel on high dose medications is like another life I was in..my social connections have exploded...the way I FEEL for others. The anger, the pressure, the sweat, all of it, gone... But, I, actually, deeply, experience the pain and sadness of my losses of my two girls...at bedtime, I put on Maddona's "The Power of Goodbye", and others, and just ENVELOPE myself in the pure emotion of cathartic sadness...but just at night, occasionally...and I feel so CLOSE to them...that it isn't really painful. All those other medications rode overtop my hurt, and anesthetized my hurt...which is toxic, and not healthy.Anyhow...that is MY rant. For those on here (many) who are interested in psychedelics, please go forward, they can certainly be no more harmful than the chemicals we already take.
Best of healing, on your journey, to all....
Jay
Posted by Jay2112 on January 13, 2023, at 17:33:37
In reply to I apologize for the things I wrote while hypomanic, posted by SLS on January 10, 2023, at 8:58:33
Never give up on someone with a mental illness. When "I" is replaced by "We", illness becomes wellness.
This is PERFECT...
Posted by SLS on January 14, 2023, at 13:49:52
In reply to Re: I'd like to talk about MY remission...Pls read, posted by Jay2112 on January 13, 2023, at 17:29:25
> Hey Scott:
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> I read your writing in full, so I ask you please read mine.I didn't get very far into your post before realizing that you had no way of knowing what I believe and what I don't believe. Perhaps it would have been better were you to ask rather than assume. You were way-wrong, but I'll get to that later. And yes, I know who Albert Ellis and David Burns are.
If you read my narrative, then I again invite you to consider the source. It has been 41 years since I swallowed my first antidepressant pill (imipramine) as an outpatient participating in a study at Columbia Presbyterian in 1982. I've been through years of psychotherapy - including CBT. My brain has been exposed to 87 different drugs meant to treat depression. Some drugs were anxiolytics and hypnotics. They don't count. Can you imagine how many different combinations of these drugs I tried over 4 decades? In addition, I tried mega-dosing vitamins and minerals, took various herbs and nutriceuticals, a rotation diet looking for food allergies (Stuart Berger), etc. I tried not to leave any stone unturned.
Now, I'll continue until the end of your post. I used question marks to reply to those things that I find difficult to believe that you would assume I needed to learn.
> As I said, I am just glad you are feeling better, and safe. Safe enough to realize what your drugs may have caused you: mania.
I appreciate both your kind sentiments and your contribution to Psycho-Babble with your post. It is instructive and full of important facts and insights.
Whatever it was that I experienced, it was drug-induced. I remember explaining this to somebody. I thought it was you. My brief mania was most likely the result of a change in treatment. I have a history of experiencing a *discontinuation* rebound improvement, especially with tricyclics. In the past, these periods lasted from 1 day (TCA) to 2 weeks (MAOIs). On this recent occasion, I had just reduced the dosage of nortriptyline (TCA) from 100 mg/day to 75 mg/day. It was immediately after doing this that the manic state appeared. I had to return to 100 mg/day because of experiencing a gradual relapse into depression.
> I think it's important to realize we all have our own path to healing.
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> My path is not your path.
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> You may get frustrated with 'Complimentary' approaches.
Not at all. What works, works. I get frustrated when I see people not respond to things that I currently believe have wasted years of their lives unnecessarily. I prefer the word "holistic" rather than "complementary". I think holistic is a broader term which includes all aspects of recovery. I also like the words "synergistic" and "additive" to differentiate the result of combination treatment.
But all major health organizations recognize these approaches.
"All" is too big a word.
> which have sometimes proven to be just as effective
Such as? "Complementary" has yet to be defined by you.
To help me understand you better, could you list a few of these proven treatments? Perhaps my current beliefs will change based on yours. I would rather be accurate than be right.
Complementarity, obviously, is crucial to the success of my treatment regime. This involves the combining of drugs. Is lithium a drug? Semantics is the issue here, not actuality.
What works, works. I know what you meant. I almost always include the word "current" when I say things like, "It is my *current* belief that L-methylfolate (Deplin) is ineffective when added to allopathic substances in the treatment of depression." I don't always say this, of course. There are oodles of things that I am far from sure about.> We are all, always in recovery.
"Always" is too big a word.
> Billions of variables depend on that.
"Billions" is too big a word.
> Something horrific could happen....
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> Someone you greatly love...as was my case...could pass with the next minute. I lost a wife and child.
Oh, my god. Oh, my god. I am so very sorry. I have never suffered such loss, and what you experience every day is beyond my imagination to comprehend. Again, I'm sorry. I don't know what else to say, except that it was brave of you to describe this part of your history. Accepting my mother's death was relatively easy. I had two years to get ready for it. Death is to be expected with elderly parents. Your loss was sudden, unexpected, and catastrophic. I am all but sure that there is a hole in your universe - in your heart - that can never be filled.
> My psychiatrist even told me...some people NEVER get over something like that.
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> I haven't. The wound will be there, till I pass this earth.
I'm sure that I could never escape any wound, any hole in the universe, and the hole in my heart, were I to lose my fiancé. She and I are as one.
> After a four or so year period, I found new love (temporarly), but my meds only were able to work till I got to that point. But, I am not ASYMPTOMATIC, and NO medication will ever make me be.
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> Your 'formula(s)' are not mine,
I have no "formulas" regarding the treatment of mood disorders. I can't predict which treatments will work for any given individual. However, I can recognize mistakes in the application of a given treatment that I am familiar with. The clinical principles of treatment for mood illnesses are often overlooked, and too often ignored. The track record for the standard practice of psychiatry is actually pretty good if you consider the entire population of people with "true", strictly diagnosed affective disorders.
> and will not ever work in my case.
That is not a logical conclusion - unless you tried the exact treatment that I am currently responding to. I have an advantage in being able to guess that you haven't. Which of your doctors were willing to treat you with a combination of MAOI + TCA. If you feel so much better, then keep doing what you are doing. It works.
* I put into words something that I have come to understand about the Gestalt of the mind and the brain. I wrote the following in 2000, and I still find it the best encapsulation of psychobiology that I have yet encountered:
"The brain determines the mind as the mind sculpts the brain."
Your loss sculpted your brain, and this resulted in a persistent change in its architecture. It is likely that this new architecture needed a biological intervention to compensate for. This might explain why drugs are necessary for the improvement in your condition. Something else that I think is important to consider is that psychotherapy is far less effective while a biological pathology continues to depress you and impair your cognitive processes. So, "fix" the biological as best as possible and then psychotherapy will be far more effective.
* Whenever you encode a memory that you can retrieve at a later time, the brain has been sculpted by the mind. Every new memory is facilitated by new neural connections that persist over time.
> No psychiatrist will EVER 'fix' me.I understand. No psychologist can ever fix you either. Loss is never fixable. Loss remains loss.
> What HAS worked for me is coming out of my little hole I dug, and getting into my community. I meet new people, who CARE, I practice mindfulness, which, in its formal name of CBT, IS the most successful long-term psychological approach to most mental illness'. I wrote about it in my Master's thesis, and have nearly over 1,000 scientific references behind it. References from the Journal Nature, the most prestigious scientific journal.
I respect your expertise, but I like to investigate things I don't know about. "Cognitive Behavioral Therapy" (CBT) is not synonymous with "Mindfulness". It seems that mindfulness falls under the umbrella of CBT. I had to look that up.
"MBIs [Mindfullness Based Intervention] also perform comparably to cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT). The treatment principles of MBIs for anxiety and depression are compatible with those of standard CBT"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5679245/"
> I help the homeless, the addicted, mentally ill, jobless, physically ill in my job as a community concurrent disorder social worker. THAT is part of my healing, and that is how I was lead on the road to healing and peace was by a fellow social worker, who took me on, as he had lost a child himself.
That is noble. I'm sure you don't need to hear that from me. However, I was to be homeless. However, I was fortunate to find Easter Seals to put a roof over my head. I didn't spend a single moment on the street. I wouldn't have survived that.
> There is a little story I tell my first year social work students. A man is trapped in a sewer with a grid above him. A doctor walks by, drops down a prescription; a priest walks by, drops down a prayer; finally, a regular guy walks by, opens up the grate and jumps down. The trapped guy goes "That was stupid. Now we are both stuck down here." The guy who jumped down goes "It's okay. I've been down here before, and know the way out."
<grin>
> Medicine has it's great points, but the science in psychiatry is a sham. Laboratory experience is NOT replicating real-life experience. Placebo NOW beats most new drugs in trials, and are being beatten in real-world trials everywhere.
"Everywhere" is too big a word.
Just for the heck of it, look at the statistics that were reported in the medical literature in the 1970s and 1980s. You will see that:
1. Antidepressants yielded between 65-70% response rate for active compound.
2. Placebo yielded no more than 25%.
Scrutinize me on this.
I have addressed this issue *many* times here on Psycho-Babble - beginning over 10 years ago. In short, in order to make more money, eligibility requirements are far less restrictive now than before Prozac came out. Investigators are payed by the pharmaceuticals companies for each subject they recruit. Why be strict with diagnosis and eligibility requirements when you can make much more money by taking people who don't have the illness being studied?
Clinical psychiatry isn't a scam any more than psychotherapy is. Neither knows enough to explain the phenomenology of mood disorders, or how best to treat them.
> As the great psychiatrist Gabor Mate' has said, this capitalist society, a mean, one against another society that values rich man's money over the average working person, has created trauma, sickness, and hopelessness.
I came to a similar hypothesis. However, I just used the umbrella term of "stress" in general. The pace and demands of modern life in developed countries now exceeds the ability of a great many brains to cope with. Genetic and phenotypic vulnerabilities facilitate the ability of stress to precipitate mood illness.
> The promising answer seems to go back to a major, overlooked, promise: psychedelics.
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> I have been microdosing Psilocybin, with some very excellent results. Once every 4-5 days.
Excellent.
The same periodic dosing protocol applies to ketamine as well. One dose every 5 days seems to be the sweet-spot. Do ketamine and psilocybin have mechanisms in common?
In 2001, someone gave me a copy of the literature research he conducted regarding psilocybin. A hallucinogen? I gave no credibility to anything suggesting that psilocybin could treat mental illness. Obviously, my beliefs have changed.
> My 'being' is much lighter...much, much, much so than ever on any drug. However, I take a small dose of Effexor with it, and carbamazepine. They had previously failed me. I may be switching to 10mgs of clomipramine, instead of the Effexor.
Psilocybin is a drug, as is atropine. They both occur in nature and are derived from plants.
> I am feeling a lift of existential angst, a peace much more like the life I had when I was a teen, before the 'black dog'.
What works, works. You found your holy grail. Be cognizant that the progress of improvement is seldom linear, although it might be for your treatment. Progress is not like an ascending straight line. It is not like an escalator where theres no worsening along the way. Progress usually resembles a saw-tooth pattern - as per Robert Post's drawing on a piece of construction paper demonstrated to us at the NIH.
Be patient. If you have determined that the trajectory of your therapeutic response has plateaued for perhaps 3-4 weeks, then it makes sense to rock the boat.
> For those on here (many) who are interested in psychedelics, please go forward, they can certainly be no more harmful than the chemicals we already take.
I agree that psilocybin has demonstrated therapeutic properties to treat depression and other mental illnesses. Physically, it is relatively safe. I don't think the same can be said about being psychologically safe if psilocybin isn't administered properly and given in a managed environment. Obviously, the way you administer psilocybin is ideal for you.
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Psilocybin. Not so safe in the wrong hands.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7034876/
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"Hallucinogen-persisting perception disorder" is now an official diagnosis.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=hallucinogen-persisting+perception+disorder&sort=date
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Psilocybin is no less a drug than is Effexor. Natural substances are used in drug discovery. From Nature:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41573-020-00114-z
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This is a very important fact:
Drug substances, even those that occur in nature, all have one thing in common. They are allopathic. If an herb works, it will be because it is allopathic. It is not homeopathic. Psychedelics are allopathic. The Bella Dona plant extract is allopathic.
What works, works.
That's the most important statement to be made. I used to tell people that I would drink horse piss if it worked for me. I would have. No joke.
I wrote my narrative to demonstrate my exposure to both clinicians and researchers in the field of psychopharmacology. I have only one objective. I want to help facilitate an outcome as favorable as yours has been. I'm sure that is your goal as well. I want to help "fix" people on Psycho-Babble as they have helped to fix me. I consider it a duty.
- Scott
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