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Posted by Jay2112 on December 23, 2022, at 22:44:09
Was at the local cannabis store, and was reading about CBG, another cannabinoid, referred to as the "mother of all cannabinoids". Like CBD, it isn't exactly psychoactive, but apparently is more stimulating (but also good for anxiety), amongst a million other things. I am going to order a bag of CBG gummies tomorrow, so will see what happens. CBD isn't really my 'thing', as it feels to 'dulling'. (THC can feel that way for me too. I like Sativa, not the hazy Indica.)
Jay
Posted by sigismund on December 24, 2022, at 2:02:12
In reply to CBD's cousin CBG...Link?, posted by Jay2112 on December 23, 2022, at 22:44:09
I'd like to try delta 8 THC, but it can't be sent to Australia.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 24, 2022, at 3:15:39
In reply to Re: CBD's cousin CBG...Link?, posted by sigismund on December 24, 2022, at 2:02:12
delta 8 is legal in texas, delta 8 has less side effects than delta 9, but delta 9 will defeintly get you high, but it has paranoia, THC negative side effects. I've tried delta 8, yes it does alter your mood, your a better mood somewhat high, but i don't like THC, its not my thing. I went into a vape shop to get more fluid for my vape, i was having anxiety, badly, they were all out of CBD gummies, so the man said this is delta 8, its better than CBD. So, i got the medium strength one, i chewed it and noticed alteration in mood, and slight pleasantness. Less worried, made stress go away. I want to try delta 9, but im not a THC person. It improves your mood, reduces stress, a moderate high and helps you go to sleep
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 24, 2022, at 4:12:35
In reply to CBD's cousin CBG...Link?, posted by Jay2112 on December 23, 2022, at 22:44:09
i researched CBG, it's more health benefits like anti-bacterial, and irritable bowel syndrome. But i did read it had positive effect on mood, and some anxiety. It's a minor cannabinoid, while CBD is a major cannabinoid. I read through CBD is more sedating, on nervous system
Posted by Jay2112 on December 24, 2022, at 12:14:04
In reply to Re: CBD's cousin CBG...Link?, posted by sigismund on December 24, 2022, at 2:02:12
> I'd like to try delta 8 THC, but it can't be sent to Australia.
How come? Is it banned? Apparently our Canadian government is 'looking into it', and hasn't made a decision. Is cannabis legal in Australia, and is it widely sold?
Jay
Posted by linkadge on December 25, 2022, at 11:01:27
In reply to Re: CBD's cousin CBG...Link? » sigismund, posted by Jay2112 on December 24, 2022, at 12:14:04
CBG is a fairly potent alpha-2 agonist. I also read somewhere that it is a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20002104/
Similar to clonidine, this could be good for anxiety. The alpha-2 / NET effects could be good for ADHD as well.
I've never taken it in isolation, but have been looking for strains that have it in higher concentrations. I've grown some stuff (legal here in Canada to have 4 plants) with higher CBN (basically by letting it go longer before harvest, with more yellowing of trichromes) and it has less high but is very good for sleep / anxiety.
Linkadge
Posted by sigismund on December 25, 2022, at 12:37:14
In reply to Re: CBD's cousin CBG...Link? » sigismund, posted by Jay2112 on December 24, 2022, at 12:14:04
It's not legal but it's tolerated if it is wrapped reassuringly.
I've ordered CBD formulations from the US with no problem. That company wouldn't send delta 8 here.
CBD & THC are available and legal with a script but in such a way as to make it prohibitively expensive which is emblematic of how we do things.
My son was telling me about Vancouver. It's certainly not like that here. But it's also sold openly by nicer people in capsules etc.
https://www.facebook.com/nimbinhemp/
Posted by sigismund on December 25, 2022, at 12:43:40
In reply to Re: CBD's cousin CBG...Link?, posted by linkadge on December 25, 2022, at 11:01:27
I eat one of my heads before it was properly dry and it was very nice, just as many say they find it. So less activated THC I assume.
I just wanted to lie down under a tree, not do very much, enjoy the sun and the view.
Posted by undopaminergic on December 25, 2022, at 14:16:33
In reply to Re: CBD's cousin CBG...Link?, posted by linkadge on December 25, 2022, at 11:01:27
> CBG is a fairly potent alpha-2 agonist. I also read somewhere that it is a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor.
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> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20002104/
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> Similar to clonidine, this could be good for anxiety.
>My favourite alpha2-adrenergic agonist is guanfacine. I would also like to try guanabenz.
-undopaminergic
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 25, 2022, at 14:40:32
In reply to Re: CBD's cousin CBG...Link? » linkadge, posted by undopaminergic on December 25, 2022, at 14:16:33
know this has nothing to do with, what discussion, but i've tried delta 8 and noticed alteration, relax altered mood, somewhat pleasant without THC mind impairement. I read delta 8 is cleaner version, it doenst get you high enough like delta 9, but it does alter mood, and can be pleasant. I live in texas, delta 8 and 9 are legal. Delta 9 is THC, and i read the high is more intense, but there is mind impairment, and if you increase THC dose, it makes you paranoid, and have anxiety, increased heart rate. Too much THC is not fun, defeinky a bad trip.
Posted by Jay2112 on December 25, 2022, at 18:28:44
In reply to Re: CBD's cousin CBG...Link? » linkadge, posted by undopaminergic on December 25, 2022, at 14:16:33
> > CBG is a fairly potent alpha-2 agonist. I also read somewhere that it is a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor.
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> > https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20002104/
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> > Similar to clonidine, this could be good for anxiety.
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> My favourite alpha2-adrenergic agonist is guanfacine. I would also like to try guanabenz.
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> -undopaminergic
>Do you take the extended release guanfacine, or the ir? I can get it from my pdoc, but wondered how it compared with clonidine?
Jay
Posted by Jay2112 on December 25, 2022, at 22:16:24
In reply to Re: CBD's cousin CBG...Link?, posted by linkadge on December 25, 2022, at 11:01:27
> CBG is a fairly potent alpha-2 agonist. I also read somewhere that it is a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor.
>
> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20002104/
>
> Similar to clonidine, this could be good for anxiety. The alpha-2 / NET effects could be good for ADHD as well.
>
> I've never taken it in isolation, but have been looking for strains that have it in higher concentrations. I've grown some stuff (legal here in Canada to have 4 plants) with higher CBN (basically by letting it go longer before harvest, with more yellowing of trichromes) and it has less high but is very good for sleep / anxiety.
>
> Linkadge
>Yes, they have CBG gummies, which I stupidly haven't bought yet....they are cheap, but not potent wise. The CBN I was looking at too. Do you notice a difference between Indica and Sativa?
Jay
Posted by undopaminergic on December 26, 2022, at 11:31:39
In reply to Re: CBD's cousin CBG...Link? » undopaminergic, posted by Jay2112 on December 25, 2022, at 18:28:44
> > > CBG is a fairly potent alpha-2 agonist. I also read somewhere that it is a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor.
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> > > https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20002104/
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> > > Similar to clonidine, this could be good for anxiety.
> > >
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> > My favourite alpha2-adrenergic agonist is guanfacine. I would also like to try guanabenz.
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> > -undopaminergic
> >
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> Do you take the extended release guanfacine, or the ir? I can get it from my pdoc, but wondered how it compared with clonidine?
>I used the IR, sold in Europe as Estulic and Tenex in the USA.
I haven't tried clonidine yet, but I think it is more sedating and affects blood pressure more. I did not find guanfacine sedating at all.
-undopaminergic
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 26, 2022, at 17:48:41
In reply to Re: CBD's cousin CBG...Link? » linkadge, posted by Jay2112 on December 25, 2022, at 22:16:24
ok this not anything with discussion, but wnat to write this : retailers in texas are friendly with it, but you can only buy certain amount of delta 9. There is much argument in FDA and politicians wanting to ban sell of it. This is my view, delta 8 is mildly intoxicating, it gives a feeling of relaxation, some improved mood, and it helps you sleep, there is euphoria from it, but not so much as delta 9. So, in Texas bill, it's legal, delta 8 is not a harmful substance to worry about, it just gives relaxation and bit improved mood from stress. All these politicians are making big deals about it, saying it's harmful drug like methamphetamines'. When you go into a gas station, after work, there is beer, and wine, and liquor. Alcohol was banned for about 12 years in prohibition in US, it was because of all these housewives making a big deal it made men crazy and violent, and they made a big deal about it. It got passed, to remove alcohol. Then bootleggers started making profit, from selling alcohol to people who needed it. Delta 8 i think some states, that it's a psychoactive substance that causes harm. Delta 8 produces relaxation, and mild mood improvement, reduced stress. Delta 9 is more potent, and you have to watch out about the dose, if you take too much THC delta 9, you will have side effects like paranoia, anxiety, mind impairment, and increased heart rate. THC is not harmful subspace, but law i think sees it as psychoactive that alters too much and needs to be controlled. Some states, in US have both delta 8 and delta 9 THC as illegal. Walking into a gas station after work to get a beer, to relax and relief of stress has been going on for decades, but they view THC as different. It is different, because THC is a hallucinogenic, more psychoactive properties than alcohol. And yes, people can trip out on THC's side effects with mind impairment and paranoia, but alcohol been a friendly drink for years, it has side effects, like violence, and mind impairment too, but it's just, law makers see THC differently because it's its a hallucinogenic.
So, i'm not a THC friendly person, it's not my thing. My thing is more stimulants , but it's because stimulants help me function, i can do tasks that i could not do in a normal state, they fix my brain with making brain receptors fire, and be active. But back to this, if you want to get a weed high, you get delta 9, but it's not harmful to people, it just relives stress and increases your mood, euphoria for a while. I guess federal laws, THC is hallucinogenic, and has been illegal for very long time. Seems today there legalizing drugs, that produce euphoria that are not harmful. Ok, manic rant, i don't know why i wrote this, but this that's like a opinion. They may illegalize delta 9, but in texas it's legal through small amounts, like your buy candy gummies delta 9 THC. I don't know what else to say, that's what i think, and need to log off. Hope lawmakers could read that qquick opinion. Logging off
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 26, 2022, at 18:34:57
In reply to Re: thc laws, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 26, 2022, at 17:48:41
i don't think law makers will ever read what i wrote in the US will be forgotten in archives, but hopefully would just browse what i wrote, and have a view. Snd....There majorly advertising Buprenorphine as opiate alterative, read somewhere some doctors are prescribing it for depression. Like there legalizing some drugs, that were controlled in the 20th century, seen as schedule I, and promoting Buprenorphine and prescribing it frequently....as opiod alternative. In the 20th century, mid, barbiturates were a big problem, just like the opioid epidemic that happened, but worse. They used barbiturates for year, then doctors in the 50s would just write a script like candy, to anyone....barbiturates heavy sedatives', they are non selective, they make you drunk, and impaired and want to sleep. There was a barbiturate epidemic, and that's why they removed them from being prescribed. They have low safely profiles, you can easily over dose, and it shuts down your respitory system since it's non selective, and go into coma, and they did major damage to American society. That's why they are almost gone, from being prescribed. They wrote scripts for seconal, all types of them for anxiety and sleep, and stupid people popped them too much and died, and they were candy...there was like no big deal about them, i think in 1970s is when medical treatment moved away from using barbiturates for anxiety, or sleep, marked them as dangerous. And i think most controlled drugs, have low safely profiles, because there easy to abuse and overdose, cause havoc in society if they were legalized. BuT THC .. like the other day, i went to go get CBD gummie candies for anxiety, they didn't have it, but they had delta 8, i just said ok, small increase in mood, and stress reduced, and yes it was mild high. They tasted like candy and i wanted to eat more, but didn't because too much thc makes you paranoid. It's in a friendly packet, like candy. It's not really considered a threat, to make people do bad things in society like hard cord drugs. They still do produce a high, and sure there's some dumb people, who will eat the whole delta 8 candy bag and have a bad trip, look intoxicated.
There's always going to be idiots who abuse drugs, where it harms them, barbiturate abuse in mid 20th centuy was major problem, too many deaths. Doctors now have to be monitored by federal laws i think on how much opiates to be prescribed. 20th century had many deaths from barbiturate, drugs that have been removed off the market, that people don't know about. So, i don't know why i wrote all that spiral, but delta 8, or even THC has low harm, it's been outlawed for year, but it's a hallucinogenic, it alters people diffently than alcohol. People coming home from work in texas, instead of dropping by to get a alcoholic drink, beer, they go to smoke shops and buy candy gummies cbd, thc, hemp products. They produce relaxation with bit different high than alcohpl, but it's pleasant
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 26, 2022, at 18:38:36
In reply to Re: thc laws, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 26, 2022, at 18:34:57
ok this is another manic post, wish i could delete, im going to take lithium right now and come back down to earth
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 26, 2022, at 18:45:56
In reply to Re: thc laws, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 26, 2022, at 17:48:41
why did i write this, god the amount of regret after posting all this manic sh*t, that has nothing to do with posts. I'm taking all 3 capsules of lithium, and come back down to earth
Posted by Jay2112 on December 26, 2022, at 18:49:05
In reply to CBD's cousin CBG...Link?, posted by Jay2112 on December 23, 2022, at 22:44:09
Ok, this is a nice mild buzz....can really feel it in relaxation of my body. I'd highly (lol) recommend this...
Jay
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 27, 2022, at 14:43:23
In reply to Re: Took CBD, CBG, and small THC 2 hours agp, posted by Jay2112 on December 26, 2022, at 18:49:05
yesterday, i wanted to just try delta 9, or regular THC. I did delta 8, but wanted to try the actual THC. i didn't know that the caramel edible was a extremely high strength. I thought it was just regular like the delta 8 candy. I waited later in night, was in a depressed mood, decided to try it. Took 4th of the cameral thing, about 10 min later i noticed was calmer, and the depression seemed to lessened. So, i waited, then just decided to eat the other 4th. I say there on computer, then started feeling weird, i felt the body feeling effects of THC, and my perception started changing, thought process was like was on a psychedelic drug. I immediately knew, that the this is too much THC. The caramel edible was a very high strength, i had no idea. Then body effects increased, i felt sensations going through me, feeling switching from a dream, and reality.
I read that edibles, on delta 9, they say wait 1 hour because it takes 1 hour for it to processed through body functions. I forgot about that, last night was a horrid, trip. I knew even before, it was going to be bad. So, last night was ride that was hell, got on YouTube and did emergency healing prayers to god, i said them at least 8-10 times, because my mind was tipping bad. Absolute hell last night, and realized i probly took very high dose of THC. I'm not delta 9 user, it was first time, absolute hell last night.
This has happened before, at a party with a friend, they had high potent weed, called hydro, its like strongest of max, all the people there were weed users. I decided to smoke with them, then i started feeling very weird, and it was the same feeling, that happened last night. I knew last night, it was going to be same experience as it was at that party.
Delta 9 review from last night : first time ever user to delta 9 over flooded cannabinoid receptors, and caused hell trip. I'm learly about even touching it again, but THC is support to be relaxing, but large doses cause panic attack, especially with people who are new users. So, that review hope that hell will never happen again. End of log
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 27, 2022, at 18:41:45
In reply to Re: delta 9 log, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 27, 2022, at 14:43:23
delta 8 is less psychoactive, and it does help with sress, and pleasantness a bit. I decided delta 9 because i wanted to just use legal THC than alcohol. Last night, was a mistake about the amount of delta 9 to take, if you never had thc before, it would be a big hit, its good medicinal effects too. I'm always doing something that causes a crisis, ingenting too much of it on accidnet because im dumbass and not read dosage, and that i've never directly tried it before. I think im just....gonna move away from trying legal thc, i don't respond well to the chemical, at a party smoked and went to psychosis, and its suppost to be mood improveing, thc does not work well with me, maybe my receptors in head don't like it. Anyways, but it is good it's legal in some states, it is a good medicinal thing, and eat a delta 9 gummie, instead of gettking drunk. THere's new synethic THC chemcals, there's one called THC-0 and .... ok, i thought this shop had delta 8, the bag for reason said THC-O, i didnt know what that ment, started getting suspecious and found out they didnt give me delta 8, they gave me a psycheliic synthetic THC called THC-0 and it is more potent than THC by 3-4 times, and i reserhced and they said be careful with it. I have not used them, i read people going into trance-trip statees, some people wrote much stronger than THC, they said it was negative experince. It's legal in most states, delta 9 THC is only a few, it's more controlled, but what i read about THC-0 is much potent than thc, and people have had spiroitual, disaptive, experinces, read about it. It's synthetic, so its not cannabis and that's why its not controlled so much. But it's more potent than THC itself, much more. Anyways, im getting rid of those gummies, the man gave me the highest stenthm there is, for THC 0 dosage, i would of lost my mind and LSD high. I think im justm done with thc for stress reduction, my body does not respond well to it, it does not get pleasant feeling, more neaative. But glad it can help other people. Anyways, that's all, end of manic. End of log
Posted by Jay2112 on December 27, 2022, at 21:50:01
In reply to Re: delta 9 log, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 27, 2022, at 14:43:23
RJ, take CBD when you take high potency cannabis. CBD brings you down, so you don't feel so out of control. It's like a panic attack. Edibles cause it even more; it is a stronger effect than smoking.
Jay
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 29, 2022, at 0:24:57
In reply to Re: delta 9 log » rjlockhart37, posted by Jay2112 on December 27, 2022, at 21:50:01
Yes, the carmemel edible was stronger than the gummies, so skyrocket dose of THC to a non user, absolute hell. The drug, yestuday i said im going to try one more time, with the tinest size of the carmel, made sure it was small. I felt the body effect again, but it does not improve my mood, THC from all experiences, it does not give a high that is pleasant, it's more feeling the body effect, and altered perception but im in a bad, bad mood, irritable. So, i researched people also, have don't get the high, some people are paradox different and it makes them in a bad mood, or irritable, a dysphoria tip. Don't be thinking, will ever touch delta 9 again, but everyone else can, but not me.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 29, 2022, at 0:42:28
In reply to Re: delta 9 log, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 29, 2022, at 0:24:57
at the shop, yes they did have delta 9 thc with cbd mixed with it, but thought that would ruin the pure effect of delta 9. I just got 1 tiny carmel edible, that was a sample, but it was highest thing you get in strength. But, everyone says they benefit with weed and THC for medicinaly uses, and also mood improving relaxation, it does not work that way with me, i will feel the body effects of THC, then notice altered perception like nomral, but i don't get high, get in very bad mood, and it's happened every time...guess my brain is paradox to the wonder drug. I rather just CBD. Delta 8 didnt have that bad of effect, but delta 9 was thc expereince and was not pleasant, altered state of counciounes and being in bad mood. Even with correct dose. But glad few states in US allow people to have edible gummies they can chew, instead of getting drunk to take he worries away
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 29, 2022, at 1:01:47
In reply to Re: delta 9 log, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 29, 2022, at 0:42:28
weed and thc don't work well with me, don't plan on chewing anymore delta 9 gummies, or nasty caramel edibles. It alters perception, time, mind state, yes it did those things with me, but it had a terrible effect on mood. So, that's out with me. Not touching it. But glad it benefits other people
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