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Posted by rainbowbrite on May 19, 2005, at 11:59:47
when you are nearing completion of a degree? I have a strong urge to move away, which would either mean I drop out of school, which I cant do, or change schools. Whatcha think??
Posted by alexandra_k on May 19, 2005, at 20:32:06
In reply to Is it stupid to relocate, posted by rainbowbrite on May 19, 2005, at 11:59:47
I would find out which of your papers can be transfered for credit and then find out what you would need to do to complete your degree at the new place.
Sometimes they will transfer ok.
Othertimes not.
See how much extra work you would be buying yourself.
Sometimes uni's can be a bit anal about crediting papers from different institutions. But repeating something you have already done (in effect) should buy you a great mark for minimal effort.
But maybe you are sick to death of it and just want to complete.
Posted by alexandra_k on May 19, 2005, at 20:34:37
In reply to Re: Is it stupid to relocate » rainbowbrite, posted by alexandra_k on May 19, 2005, at 20:32:06
Also...
Bear in mind that degrees are structured differently in different parts of the world (depending on how far you are thinking of moving).
If you are doing a 4 year bachelors (for example) and are thinking of moving somewhere where they do a 3 year bachelors then it would be likely that they would be anal about crediting papers - but that would be because if they simply transfered your papers they would have to award you your degree already!!
They would probably work things so you could finish in one semester...
Posted by mellybelly on May 19, 2005, at 20:45:16
In reply to Re: Is it stupid to relocate, posted by alexandra_k on May 19, 2005, at 20:34:37
I don't think it is stupid to relocate. My best friend went to Cali and now she is in CT. She continued with her college education but you do have to see how your credits will transfer and such. Sometimes it is worth it to have a degree too in finding a job.
Posted by rainbowbrite on May 19, 2005, at 21:48:34
In reply to Re: Is it stupid to relocate, posted by alexandra_k on May 19, 2005, at 20:34:37
thats true. hmmm Do you have both 3 and 4 year programs in NZ?
Posted by rainbowbrite on May 19, 2005, at 21:50:23
In reply to Re: Is it stupid to relocate, posted by mellybelly on May 19, 2005, at 20:45:16
yeah absolutely, I will finish for sure. i guess I need a change of scenery
Posted by alexandra_k on May 20, 2005, at 4:44:48
In reply to Re: Is it stupid to relocate » alexandra_k, posted by rainbowbrite on May 19, 2005, at 21:48:34
> thats true. hmmm Do you have both 3 and 4 year programs in NZ?
Depends what program you are doing...
3 years is standard.
But then it is expected that you do Honours (equivalent of a fourth year) If you want to go on to PhD.We are pretty much a 'degree factory'.
That sucks.4 year programs are typically applied science programs where you have 1 year of working basically.
So 3 years is standard but you need to do honours to go on to PhD.
Posted by alexandra_k on May 20, 2005, at 4:48:28
In reply to Re: Is it stupid to relocate » alexandra_k, posted by rainbowbrite on May 19, 2005, at 21:48:34
Ah.
You were a psychology major if I remember rightly...Psychology departments can be a bit funny...
Entry to grad level can be a bit funny...
Are you thinking of doing more study once you have graduated?
If not then that will definately make things easier.
If you are then you would need to check what grad level program you wanted to get into and the specific pre-requisites for that.
Specific programmes being
Community psychology
Clinical psychology
Organisational psychology
Psychometrics and testing
etc
etc.
Posted by rainbowbrite on May 20, 2005, at 7:07:32
In reply to Re: Is it stupid to relocate » rainbowbrite, posted by alexandra_k on May 20, 2005, at 4:48:28
Yup,
i want to go further, maybe a masters.....but I dont think I was meant for psych, I do love it but I am not focussed enough or disiplined enough.
I should be saying 'Im smart enough, Im good enough and gosh darnit I deserve it!!" LOL do you know SNL stewart smally? I think that was his name he totally cracked me up.What I would LOVE to do is be a mediator or maybe an interventionist. Mediator sounds good. I should look into that, I imagine I dont need more school, but im sure there is a program out there.
Im doing an honors, I was thinking maybe you guys fast tracked it a bit. But it sounds pretty similar. i dont have the 3 year option not that I would have done it but I might have now if I had the option.
I think not getting into this specific program that I wanted was meant to be. I am trying not to be upset, I just kept telling myself that if I am meant to do it it will happen. So it may be a hidden blessing. And if I am organized enough maybe I can still pull off completing in time.
How are things going for you? Is your tutoring load still lighter than it was?
Posted by alexandra_k on May 20, 2005, at 18:33:03
In reply to Re: Is it stupid to relocate » alexandra_k, posted by rainbowbrite on May 20, 2005, at 7:07:32
> i want to go further, maybe a masters.....but I dont think I was meant for psych, I do love it but I am not focussed enough or disiplined enough.
Hmm.
Í remember reading you saying something about getting an A for a course you were doing. And that you were worried about that course and saying how 'stupid' you were etc etc. (Sorry I didn't respond back then - I was going through a bit of a hard time and gg was doing a good job of saying stuff better than I could anyway...)
Don't underestimate yourself.
Do what you *want* to do.
If you don't want to do it because it sounds like too much hard work, or you are sick of it or whatever then that is fine.
But don't let it stop you if that is what you want to do.> I should be saying 'Im smart enough, Im good enough and gosh darnit I deserve it!!"
Absolutely!
> What I would LOVE to do is be a mediator or maybe an interventionist. Mediator sounds good. I should look into that, I imagine I dont need more school, but im sure there is a program out there.Hmm. Mediator. Is that something along the lines of 'dispute resolution' - preventing conflicts from going to court??? If so then that is a popular option for people who major in philosophy :-) Law runs a one year post-grad (over here meaning after you have your bachelors) program. I'm not sure what an 'interventionist' is. If it is going out into the community andworking with people (kids especially - though adults too) to prevent offending, dropping out of school, social problems etc etc. Then that sounds like community psych.
> Im doing an honors, I was thinking maybe you guys fast tracked it a bit. But it sounds pretty similar. i dont have the 3 year option not that I would have done it but I might have now if I had the option.
??? What does that mean for you guys?? I know the bachelors is 4 years in the US. I wasn't sure about Canada. Sounds like you guys do a 4 year bachelors. Is honours a year after that or do you just get awared bachelors with honours depending on your grades (ie no extra courses) or what????
> I think not getting into this specific program that I wanted was meant to be. I am trying not to be upset, I just kept telling myself that if I am meant to do it it will happen. So it may be a hidden blessing. And if I am organized enough maybe I can still pull off completing in time.
(((rainbow)))
We do seem to be having a run of 'I didn't get it' on Babble.
:-(
I'm sorry.
> How are things going for you? Is your tutoring load still lighter than it was?Lighter meaning less 2 hours per week.
Yeah.
Three weeks to go
Three weeks to go
Posted by rainbowbrite on May 20, 2005, at 20:16:30
In reply to Re: Is it stupid to relocate » rainbowbrite, posted by alexandra_k on May 20, 2005, at 18:33:03
> Í remember reading you saying something about getting an A for a course you were doing. And that you were worried about that course and saying how 'stupid' you were etc etc.
really?? was there a post like that that I was involved with? Seems so unlike me LOL
but yeah I know, but i was bald by the end of it. It didnt come easy.> Don't underestimate yourself.
> Do what you *want* to do.
> If you don't want to do it because it sounds like too much hard work, or you are sick of it or whatever then that is fine.
> But don't let it stop you if that is what you want to do.Your right,at this point Im not sure where I stand. Im not sure if I am giving in or if its really what I want. I hate making life decisions!
> Hmm. Mediator. Is that something along the lines of 'dispute resolution' - preventing conflicts from going to court???YEs, very along those lines, I love doing that, arguing and stuff.
>If so then that is a popular option for people who major in philosophy :-)
hey, yeah I never thought of that.
>Law runs a one year post-grad (over here meaning after you have your bachelors) program.No way!! Im moving im serious. 1 year!
>I'm not sure what an 'interventionist' is.
i dont think i would actually like this but they are used with people with addictions, they intervene to help get the person treatment. In way it is like conflict resolution.
> ??? What does that mean for you guys??i meant that your post sounded like there may be a 3 year program in NZ, that was euivalent to the american 4 year. but it sounds the same.
>I know the bachelors is 4 years in the US. I wasn't sure about Canada. Sounds like you guys do a 4 year bachelors. Is honours a year after that or do you just get awared bachelors with honours depending on your grades (ie no extra courses) or what????
Yeah its a 4 year bachelors for both Canada and the US, but some schools offer a 3 year. the honors sometimes is automatic with a 4 year I think, but at some schools I think you have to do a thesis and it may depend on your grades.
My program is not grade dependent, luckily. that A was an anomoly :-)
> Lighter meaning less 2 hours per week.
> Yeah.
> Three weeks to go
> Three weeks to goClasses are finished in 3 weeks??? seems like it just started.
Posted by alexandra_k on May 21, 2005, at 22:15:04
In reply to Re: Is it stupid to relocate, posted by rainbowbrite on May 20, 2005, at 20:16:30
> Your right,at this point Im not sure where I stand. Im not sure if I am giving in or if its really what I want. I hate making life decisions!
Yeah.
Still, it is nicer to have 'too many' options than it is to have 'not enough'. And the more you study the more opportunities you open up for yourself.
> YEs, very along those lines, I love doing that, arguing and stuff.You should have done philosophy :-)
> >Law runs a one year post-grad (over here meaning after you have your bachelors) program.
> No way!! Im moving im serious. 1 year!Yup. Last I heard. A few people from philosophy went over to do that after completing honours in philosophy.
May be the same case at different uni's in NZ. I don't know. Might be the case in Australia too. Check out the institutions.
> i dont think i would actually like this but they are used with people with addictions, they intervene to help get the person treatment. In way it is like conflict resolution.Hmm. Still not sure...
> i meant that your post sounded like there may be a 3 year program in NZ, that was euivalent to the american 4 year. but it sounds the same.Not quite. A 4 year undergrad degree from the US is comperable to a 3 year undergrad degree PLUS (one grad year of) honours. Those are supposed to be equivalent.
You need to have done honours before you can do a PhD.
> the honors sometimes is automatic with a 4 year I think, but at some schools I think you have to do a thesis and it may depend on your grades.
Right. So, sort of doing a directed study in your last year.
Sounds the same there.
But we award bachelors after 3 years.
A lot of people who make it to there aren't capable of making it any further. Hence the degree factory notion. But it changes for people doing honours. If you make it that far then things become different.
> > Lighter meaning less 2 hours per week.
> > Yeah.
> > Three weeks to go
> > Three weeks to go
>
> Classes are finished in 3 weeks??? seems like it just started.Well... We have had 6 weeks of class, a 2 week study break, and 3 more weeks of class. Three weeks of class to go... But then there is another study break and then exams. But I don't do exams, so just 3 more weeks of class for me :-)
Posted by alexandra_k on May 24, 2005, at 3:03:00
In reply to Re: Is it stupid to relocate » rainbowbrite, posted by alexandra_k on May 21, 2005, at 22:15:04
> But we award bachelors after 3 years.
> A lot of people who make it to there aren't capable of making it any further. Hence the degree factory notion. But it changes for people doing honours. If you make it that far then things become different.Sorry... I should explain that. Entry is pretty much a free for all except for some specialised programs (law, engineering, medicine). Then there was immense pressure to pass students because funding was allocated to institutions on a bums on seats basis...
But now thats changing with the PBRF report.
Which basically means we are changing to Performance Based Research Funding.
So... Get the bums off the seats and get on with your research... Thats the general idea now ;-)
Posted by rainbowbrite on May 24, 2005, at 9:30:28
In reply to Re: Is it stupid to relocate » rainbowbrite, posted by alexandra_k on May 21, 2005, at 22:15:04
> Yeah.
> Still, it is nicer to have 'too many' options than it is to have 'not enough'. And the more you study the more opportunities you open up for yourself.your right. I know I should keep going and maybe relocating would do the trick. Maybe too much 'stuff' distracts me here and that is why school is so frustrating.
>
> You should have done philosophy :-)hehe, i know, i did think about it once
> Yup. Last I heard. A few people from philosophy went over to do that after completing honours in philosophy.i am so going to look into that! unless it is for the exceptionally smart students.
> May be the same case at different uni's in NZ. I don't know. Might be the case in Australia too. Check out the institutions.I will check, that sounds amazing.
> Hmm. Still not sure...
When someone has a drug or alcohol problem they some times pay a person called an interventionaist to come and spend a few days or what ever is needed to in a way take control of the situation. They sit All involved down and confront the user and provide all the possible options available for them, MINUS the possibility of continuing on the route they are on. The interventionist is a pretty agressive step I believe and with the confrontation the hopes are the user will see how much people care and that they will lose everything if they dont accept the conditions. At that pooint the usuer has to decide and often its treatment or the family says goodbye. does that make sense?
> Not quite. A 4 year undergrad degree from the US is comperable to a 3 year undergrad degree PLUS (one grad year of) honours. Those are supposed to be equivalent.
>
> You need to have done honours before you can do a PhD.
>
>
> Right. So, sort of doing a directed study in your last year.
> Sounds the same there.
> But we award bachelors after 3 years.
> A lot of people who make it to there aren't capable of making it any further. Hence the degree factory notion. But it changes for people doing honours. If you make it that far then things become different.Sounds the same, some places award a bachelors after 3 years and others dont and then you oten have an independent study. So yeah it does sound similar.
> Well... We have had 6 weeks of class, a 2 week study break, and 3 more weeks of class. Three weeks of class to go... But then there is another study break and then exams. But I don't do exams, so just 3 more weeks of class for me :-)
Cool!!
Posted by alexandra_k on May 25, 2005, at 4:07:32
In reply to Re: Is it stupid to relocate » alexandra_k, posted by rainbowbrite on May 24, 2005, at 9:30:28
> When someone has a drug or alcohol problem they some times pay a person called an interventionaist to come and spend a few days or what ever is needed to in a way take control of the situation. They sit All involved down and confront the user and provide all the possible options available for them, MINUS the possibility of continuing on the route they are on. The interventionist is a pretty agressive step I believe and with the confrontation the hopes are the user will see how much people care and that they will lose everything if they dont accept the conditions. At that pooint the usuer has to decide and often its treatment or the family says goodbye. does that make sense?
Ah.
Hmm.
Well...
Over here if someone has a problem they typically come to the attention of the courts at which point they are ordered to undertake treatment.
If family members are concerned they can go up to the courthouse and attempt to put a treatment order on them. It will be decided by a judge and at that point they may be ordered to undertake treatment.
If someone wanted to find out their treatment options, or find them out on behalf of a family member, they would tend to ring the alchohol hotline or the citizens advice beauro or something like that...
Or ask at WINZ (work and income NZ) if they were unemployed...I just mean to say that I'm not sure there is a niche for that sort of job here. As such I'm not sure that we have programs to become that, if you get what I mean.
You might be interested in the masters of councelling program if you would like to be a councellor.
You might be interested to know that you can do the clinical program in 3 years of grad study (and your last year is placement) if you were interested in that.
The first is narrative therapy which ain't too bad IMO
The second is by the book CBT
But...
Beats the PhD / DPhil 5 year angst people have to go through in the US...I don't think the moderation program is toooo hard to get into (though might be best to not quote me on that)..
Posted by rainbowbrite on May 26, 2005, at 9:04:03
In reply to Re: Is it stupid to relocate » rainbowbrite, posted by alexandra_k on May 25, 2005, at 4:07:32
>>Ah.
Hmm.
Well...
Over here if someone has a problem they typically come to the attention of the courts at which point they are ordered to undertake treatment.
If family members are concerned they can go up to the courthouse and attempt to put a treatment order on them. It will be decided by a judge and at that point they may be ordered to undertake treatment.
If someone wanted to find out their treatment options, or find them out on behalf of a family member, they would tend to ring the alchohol hotline or the citizens advice beauro or something like that...
Or ask at WINZ (work and income NZ) if they were unemployed...wow that sounds so much better than what goes on over here. It takes alot to get a person treatment if they dont want it.
I am actually really interested in that 1 year law program, that sounds like a dream come true for me. Or even the moderation program. I will definately be checking those things out. hearing things like that make me actually want to stick out school :-) I wont be there forever.
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