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Posted by alexandra_k on February 27, 2022, at 21:45:27
https://torokhtiy.com/pages/camp-1
awwwwwwwww.i kinda wanted to check out the training camp.
they did tours around chernobyl.
the guy has amazing scapula retraction.
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the US was quite... enamoured. by the Bulgarian and soviet and eastern european olympic weightlifters.
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they started buying them out. paying them, i guess. so they could move from there to California. teach cross-fit seminars.
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i don't know how they can do it without visibly cringing.
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it was like one of the guys (who said he refused to coach me, but who would say the odd thing every now and then) said:
it makes my eyes bleed, watching most people try and do this stuff.
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most people don't have the mobility.
and they won't work the mobility before they want to lift more and more and more and more and more and more weight...
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the lifts (when done well) are so beautiful.
and they just wreck most of the athletes.
and they make my eyes bleed. i know what he means.
i used to film myself and mostly i made my eyes bleed, too.
can see that i'm not getting it... that things don't look right etc.
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we don't have proper training for olympic weightlifting.
we don't have proper training for most things.
we do seem to have proper training for swimming.
i was actually lucky / fortunate to get to see some of that, in dunedin.
i was mostly hanging about in the gym doing mobility stuff or just sort of doing whatever in the pool (making their eyes bleed, no doubt)...
but seeing what they did with... there were particular groups of swimmers. that were clearly or obviously the best in their age group.
the training that they did with those kids. the drills etc.
proper training.
not just 'swim fast, fast, fast as you can'. but a really really rather great volume of swimming. at a slower pace... with more of a focus on...
but, of course, could still see where there would have been a benefit for more individualised coaching.
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we don't really do it, though.
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I don't have anything against Dame Valarie Adams.
I understand she's supposed to be motivational and inspirational as an athlete, and all...
But I also get that she was picked out early and progressed in the sport because... She could chuck it further than anybody else. So she was encouraged to keep chucking it. Keep chucking it. Keep chucking it.
And it is a statemetn of the relative lack of development and relatlive lack of investment in teh wormen's sport that she can chuck it as well as she can to international levels without... The technique.
Like how athletes from NZ and Australia and (often - but it is gradually changing the US) can powerlift more than they can squatlift their olympic lifts. That is to say they aren't at the stage of developoment where the technical or technique innovation is... Useful? I don't know what you call that...
Something is off / not quite right fundamentally. When or where that is the case.
Something is off about it.
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I saw some youtube video that was taken of some visiting thrower...
He was visiting a youth athletics club (some male and female throwers) and doing a day seminar.
You could see that he was trying not to grimace or wince when he was watching them...
Mostly the problem was...
That the kids did not look generally athletic.
Some of them (the boys particularly) were starting to accumulate muscle mass... And you could see from the way the muscle mass was developing or accumulating that their training was unbalanced or inbalanced.
You could see the movement restrictions and instability etc. Their inability to get their body into position. To move through postiions in space. Never mind when at speed. Just generally. IN the first place.
He asked one of them 'what training do you do? / How do you train'?
And the kid said 'we don't train, really, we just throw. We just throw it as best we can'.
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There's a similar sort of thing that happens when they say about the Bulgarians training only the Olympic Lifts (cmopared to teh Polish, for example, who got them doing general gymansics etc kinds of things. Skipping. Playing swimming pool volleyball for fun.
But only training the Olympic Lifts.. Well.. You break them down into parts.
Like the swimmers.
You do a length using only your left arm..
etc.
You do a length only doing kick kick kick kick
etc.
The swimmers only swim, of course.
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But the strokes tie in...
Like...
My breaststroke is flat. Flat like a flounder. I think of breaststroke as top-feeding skimming the top of the pool. It would be faster being a bottom-feeder along the bottom...
But others have a more... Dolphin. Lunging inspired breaststroke. Apparently breaststroke EVOLVED into butterfly. In the quest to go faster.
I think that means (but I"m not sure) that in order to get faster and faster and faster at breaststroke (at the end of the day) you need to be competent in butterfly. Because there is something about the undulation... Riding waves pulsing forwards...
I don't know. Maybe... Maybe not.
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I wonder what the best power-lifts are (compared to full squat lifts) from the really really really elite...
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I guess there is a point where you transcend the formal lifts. They are just defined by a series of rules. You are required to surface for breaststroke so that means you have to come up out of the water.
But they do dolphin underwater from the starting gates, they don't move flat in the anterior-posterior plane.
Though apparently it is faster to turn on your side to make waves to interfere with swimmers in the next-door lanes... I don't know... I don't know... It is considered 'unsporting'.
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Anyway...
We ruin our lifters before they get to internationally competitive levels.
It is interesting how they are getting older int he Olympics etc.
More like dressage or eventing than 2 year old races.
Posted by alexandra_k on February 27, 2022, at 21:59:09
In reply to bucket list :-(, posted by alexandra_k on February 27, 2022, at 21:45:27
The Polish just seemed to keep them moving around for most of the day. Moving moving moving moving moving.
Not lifting weights for most of the time, but moving moving moving. Trying, always, to move smoothly and well.
And the volleyball etc was about JOY in moving. I guess. The enjoyment and motivational aspect.
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So if you are mostly moving and eating and sleeping... Then moving and eating and sleeping... Well, that's how you get to 6 training sessions per day.
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I don't know how much you need to train weightlifting particularly.
I guess it is 'weakest link' is one way to look at it or think about it. What is what prevents you from lifting more weight?
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I didn't mean to accuse Valarie Adams of bad technique. I know she has done a lot of training and so on. I just don't get why she doesn't spin before launching.
I don't know anything about throwing... So I don't know why spinning is the predominant technique. Or why she doesn't (I imagine it was because she was never taught. And nobody allowed her to take time off enough to learn to do it that way).
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NZ has a female weightlifter who has been doing quite well. She's got a good build for it. Athropometry. I guess...
But I think she has problems with her scapula. She isn't retracting her scapula properly.
When you can't retract your scapula properly you get shoulder impingement.
She can't stably hold the bar over her head because she can't get her scapula into position.
I know... Because I have that problem, also.
The Ukranian guy --- There is one of his videos where he retracts his scapula properly with his shirt off and...
OMG.
I didn't know the scapula could do that.
I mean... I did not know that that amount or degree of scapula retraction was the aim or goal.
He showed how retracting the scapula to that position creates a stable shelf for everything. It really locks everything into place.
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I feel bad... That when I watch her lift, now, my eyes bleed / I cringe.
Because instead of taking the time to rehabilitate her scapular retraction they have her lifting very heavey weights overhead already and you see her shoulder wobble and she says it hurts.
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Posted by alexandra_k on February 27, 2022, at 22:32:07
In reply to bucket list :-(, posted by alexandra_k on February 27, 2022, at 21:45:27
of course i understand the 'training camp' was likely pretty full of people trying to source steroids etc and seeing about looting chernobyl...
possibly.
and there's something appallingly touristy about it in a way that i feel bad...
the food spreads etc. very touristy. mind you, at some point he makes some kind of comment about food being fuel... it's up to the people... right?
it isn't cheap... but...
what are you paying for???
i don't know how much going on or something something like that would only make me feel so really really very very sad that these people have to put on smiley faces and be civil to people who behave like absolute jerks...
i don't know how much you would get to experience... i don't know.. real conversation.
what that would even be or even look like.
i guess it would depend rather a lot on the other people who were at the camp, too.
i don't know...
anyway... that was on the bucket list. i won't say what else in in case there happens to be a war over there sometime soon too. sigh.
i think i've already said it. about swimming in the dead sea in israel...
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really?
do i really want to travel?
i'm not sure, honestly.
i think about how important my privacy and space is and i am not sure...
not anymore.
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the white lotus is quite good.
neon or netflix or whatever...
i think i would feel just awful going to a pacific island country... having a room with air conditioning and a hot (or cold) shower... the luxury...
the contrast between that and how the people surrounding live. their actual or real lives.
i just...
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Posted by alexandra_k on February 27, 2022, at 22:41:42
In reply to training camp, posted by alexandra_k on February 27, 2022, at 22:32:07
I don't really feel that I understand about Ukrane.
Yet, or still.
Something about... Getting with the programme (the aspirational goals and objectives and aims of NATO). You know, co-operation and so on.
Or...
Not.
Not then.
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The US seems to be supplying guns.
Europe seems to be supplying funding for guns.
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The US and Europe don't seem willing to supply troops.
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Ukrane seems willing to supply troops...
Europe seems willing to take refugees from Ukrane (including men who don't wish to be troops?)
Not sure...
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Infighting and hostility between locals.
People looting...
People staying to loot (wtih plans to flee later).
I don't know...
Why secure Chernobyl? Why move troops in to secure the site?
Probably Russia doesn't mean to try and blow up the site??
Locals would have more to gain (potentially) by blowing up the site and blaming the Russians?
Looting the fuel that remains?
Trying to make weapons with the fuel that remains?
I don't know
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Probably... There isn't much of any point trying to make sense of war.
That's the thing of it, really. Wehre sense or meaning or whatever breaks down.
Like the war on the people that the Government announces when it disregards informed consent and the will or opinion of the people. The Government announces they have the might therefore they are right. There is no reasoning with them they will not listen to reasoning or anything like that.
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In Roe v University of Otago my statement of claim was comprised of 3 or 4 claims of about 1 sentance each and I don't think it exceeded 1 page of filings.
The court berated me for my brevity and ordered re-filing and re-re-filing etc to bloat the case into ways they wanted so they could order schedule 2B costs against me.
There is no reasoning with the courts of Dunedin / Canterbury when they do things like that.
You can't do business in that jurisdication.
Unless you are interested in those ketamine rape-parties with teenagers, of course. They are all about that. Supplying psyhciatrists to Hillmorton Hospital in Christchurch so visiting Orthopedic Consultants can come here and drop off their wives forever.
Just call us 'The State (of Australia) of New Manus Island'. The new prison camp detention facility of Australia.
If you do very very well here at oppressing the people you may get to move on up in the world and spin your sh*t over there as well.
Canberra seems to be trying on the Wellington-Wells style of slavery. Why did the ANU only get (one person I know) writing them 2x PhD's (in order to receive his PhD at all)?
Why not 3?
Why not 4?
Why not?
Was it out of the goodness of their hearts? Their discretion?
Wow.
Doesn't that make you go all warm and fuzzy and really really really really really want to join them?
No?
Yeah. Me neither.
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