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Posted by Lou Pilder on May 18, 2015, at 11:28:53
In reply to Lou's request- » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on May 18, 2015, at 11:03:15
> > It is no secret that responses to psychotropic and other types of drugs are unpredictable and can produce negative effects on mental function. It is good practice for a psychiatrist to see a patient once a week in the beginning of treatment to screen for adverse effects, suicidal ideation being one of them.
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20000526/msgs/35096.html
> >
> > For me, the potential gain is worth the risk. I thank God for psychiatric drug treatments. According to what I have read, the statistical rate of suicides during antidepressant treatment is much, much lower than that attributable to negative iatrogenic reactions.
> >
> > Prednisone, clonidine, alpha interferons, varenicline, and progesterone are just some of the well known non-psychiatric drugs to produce negative effects on mood and cognition.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Scott,
> You wrote,[...I thank God for psychiatric treatment...]
> I am unsure as to what you want readers to think by that. If you could post answers to the following, then I could respond accordingly.
> A. Which God are you thanking for psychiatric treatments?
> Lou
>
correction;
Scott wrote,[...I thank God for psychiatric {drug} treatments...]
This is different from just psychiatric treatments.
Lou
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 20, 2015, at 11:51:16
In reply to correction- Scott thanking God for drug treatments, posted by Lou Pilder on May 18, 2015, at 11:28:53
You thank god for psychiatric medication yet you are still desperate enough to have holes and electrodes drilled into your skull? DBS?
With all due respect, that doesnt make any sense.
Posted by SLS on May 21, 2015, at 0:26:44
In reply to Re: correction- Scott thanking God for drug treatments, posted by Lamdage22 on May 20, 2015, at 11:51:16
> You thank god for psychiatric medication yet you are still desperate enough to have holes and electrodes drilled into your skull? DBS?
>
> With all due respect, that doesnt make any sense.Drugs help me enough so as to allow me to shop for food and pay bills. They allow me to live independently. I do not take this good fortune for granted. Included in my praise of God and psychotropics is their success in bring many other people into remission and the ability to achieve mental health and work towards happiness. However, it might be time for me to more vigorously pursue brain stumulation techniques, which include magnetic and direct current treatments. My brain is adept at reacting to positive drug responses with tachyphylaxis. Perhaps the combination of pharmacological and tissue stimulation would work for me.
I know that you have had your disappointments with psychotropic drug treatments. Since I don't know the details of your symptomatology and treatment history, it is difficult to offer suggestions that might renew your hopes for treatment success. For every new drug that becomes available, a certain percentage of previously treatment-resistent people will go on to respond well to it. I'm waiting for cariprazine to become available. It works like Abilify, but is stronger at D3 receptors in the limbic system. I am hoping that this translates into a more robust antidpessant effect.
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 21, 2015, at 4:30:27
In reply to Re: correction- Scott thanking God for drug treatments » Lamdage22, posted by SLS on May 21, 2015, at 0:26:44
I may try Rapastinel some time.
Im not sure though yet. I take 37.5mg Venlafaxin and it helps a little.
Im just very disillusioned.
Who knows what has been swept under the rug by naurex???
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2015, at 7:57:52
In reply to Re: correction- Scott thanking God for drug treatments » Lamdage22, posted by SLS on May 21, 2015, at 0:26:44
> > You thank god for psychiatric medication yet you are still desperate enough to have holes and electrodes drilled into your skull? DBS?
> >
> > With all due respect, that doesnt make any sense.
>
> Drugs help me enough so as to allow me to shop for food and pay bills. They allow me to live independently. I do not take this good fortune for granted. Included in my praise of God and psychotropics is their success in bring many other people into remission and the ability to achieve mental health and work towards happiness. However, it might be time for me to more vigorously pursue brain stumulation techniques, which include magnetic and direct current treatments. My brain is adept at reacting to positive drug responses with tachyphylaxis. Perhaps the combination of pharmacological and tissue stimulation would work for me.
>
> I know that you have had your disappointments with psychotropic drug treatments. Since I don't know the details of your symptomatology and treatment history, it is difficult to offer suggestions that might renew your hopes for treatment success. For every new drug that becomes available, a certain percentage of previously treatment-resistent people will go on to respond well to it. I'm waiting for cariprazine to become available. It works like Abilify, but is stronger at D3 receptors in the limbic system. I am hoping that this translates into a more robust antidpessant effect.
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
It is written above that psychotropic drugs helps the poster to shop for food and pay bills and to live independently and that others that take these drugs can be remitted from what they take the drugs for, assuming that they take the drugs for the hope of having depression and such remitted which according to the poster those people could achieve mental health and work toward happiness.. That could lead you to be deceived into thinking that you could take these drugs and not be harmed by them or that as a parent your child could not be harmed from taking these drugs. This is all because as to the drugs helping to shop for food and pay bills, it is not specified as to how taking these drugs allows the poster to pay bills or shop for food as to what that could mean. If you are led to believe that the drugs help the poster to work to make money to pay bills, that could be seriously misleading because the drugs can debilitate a person and addict the person so that in withdrawal, or in the state of akathisia one could not go to do their job to earn money to pay bills or even go to a store to buy food. In fact, the drugs could disable a person so that they could have to stop working and could not earn a living to support themselves and be dependent on others or charity or government assistance. The drugs could induce a life-ruining condition so that the taker could never work again or worse, induce suicidal thinking or homicidal thinking to kill themselves and/or others.
Let us know the whole truth. Let it be exposed that there could be a placebo effect when one takes these drugs that does not last. And there could be an initial effect that could cause the body to have an imbalance of chemicals that causes the body to react to the drug to worsen the person's depression and such and then addiction could set in which could lead to suicide in particular but not limited to young people. And there could be death by heart attack and liver disease and blood disease and kidney failure and stroke and a host of other life-ruining conditions including a life-time of suffering from tardive dyskinesia.
My friends, be not deceived. There are thousands of people each year that are killed by these drugs. What good could it do for you to swallow the propaganda from the drug companies that you see on television pandering drugs and by taking them you could end up dead or so debilitated as to that you think that you need a drug to go to the store to buy food. Is that happiness that you think comes from God?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2015, at 9:18:14
In reply to Re: correction- Scott thanking God for drug treatments » Lamdage22, posted by SLS on May 21, 2015, at 0:26:44
> > You thank god for psychiatric medication yet you are still desperate enough to have holes and electrodes drilled into your skull? DBS?
> >
> > With all due respect, that doesnt make any sense.
>
> Drugs help me enough so as to allow me to shop for food and pay bills. They allow me to live independently. I do not take this good fortune for granted. Included in my praise of God and psychotropics is their success in bring many other people into remission and the ability to achieve mental health and work towards happiness. However, it might be time for me to more vigorously pursue brain stumulation techniques, which include magnetic and direct current treatments. My brain is adept at reacting to positive drug responses with tachyphylaxis. Perhaps the combination of pharmacological and tissue stimulation would work for me.
>
> I know that you have had your disappointments with psychotropic drug treatments. Since I don't know the details of your symptomatology and treatment history, it is difficult to offer suggestions that might renew your hopes for treatment success. For every new drug that becomes available, a certain percentage of previously treatment-resistent people will go on to respond well to it. I'm waiting for cariprazine to become available. It works like Abilify, but is stronger at D3 receptors in the limbic system. I am hoping that this translates into a more robust antidpessant effect.
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
The poster writes that he praises a God for psychotropic drugs. Yet today, the God in question is not specified.
This could seriously mislead you to think that the God that the poster is praising is the God that The Jews, Christians and Islamic people give service and worship to. You see, the character of that God is revealed in the scriptures that the Jews and Christians and Islamic people use. And I am prevented by the prohibitions to me here from Mr. Hsiung to post my own repudiation here if the poster ever identifies the God that he is using in reference to being thanked by him for psychotropic drugs. Since he is allowed to evade my request to identify which God he is referring to, I do not have the opportunity to post what has been revealed to me until I know which God he is using to give thanks to for psychotropic drugs.
Now be it as it may be, the God could be the God that the Jews worship. And since I am prohibited by Mr. Hsiung to post my own repudiation to the statement if the God in question is that God, then the policy here is against the Jew, which makes the policy an anti-Semitic policy that could lead readers to think that this is an anti-Semitic community by the nature that the leader's policy is to prohibit a Jew from having equal protection of the rules because the poster is not required to identify the God that he is using to thank for mind-altering drugs prescribed by a psychiatrist so that readers could think that the poster is using the God that the Jews worship as his subject God.
By the poster being allowed to evade my request for identification here, Jews and Christians and Islamic people could feel insulted an humiliated to see that the God in question could be that God since it is not specified otherwise, for there could be a subset of Jews and others that have been revealed as to the character of the God that they worship to be different from the God that the poster alludes to without identifying and the statement is allowed here to be seen as supportive which could lead a Jew to feel put down.
Since the policy here is that I am prohibited by Mr. Hsiung from posting from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me, and the God in question could be the God that the Jews worship, the policy here is against the Jew which makes the policy an ant-Semitic policy and by extension the community could be deemed by a subset of readers to be an anti-Semitic community because of that.
If Scott ever identifies which God he is using here in his posts, then readers could know as to if he is using the God that the Jews worship or not. That IMHHHO could be supportive, and being supportive takes precedence here. In my thinking, being evasive is not being supportive, yet it is allowed here. If it was not allowed, then I think that lives could be saved, life-ruining conditions and addictions could be prevented. That is supportive in any community unless the community believes that death is supportive.
Lou
Posted by Horse on May 23, 2015, at 1:22:54
In reply to Re: not doing so well, posted by alexandra_k on April 25, 2015, at 19:20:46
Don't ever move here (US). I'd move to NZ in a heartbeat. Anyways, I'm unhappy to hear your county is being sold off. And that your prison is privatized. That's the trend here, and it frightens and saddens me.
Posted by alexandra_k on May 24, 2015, at 2:43:03
In reply to Re: not doing so well » alexandra_k, posted by Horse on May 23, 2015, at 1:22:54
hey.
i suspect it isn't foreign investors so much as local investors who have set themselves up an off shore company for whatever legal reasons.
the prison... / detention facility... they are calling it a 'rehabilitation facility' but i didn't think the UK was doing so well with rehabilitating their own prisoners... there was something on the news the other night about media not being able to go inside prisons and interview inmates... anyway... who knows what will go on inside a foreign staffed 'rehabilitation facility'.
i suspect that sometimes the thing about 'free trade' is 'give it to us freely - or you will force us to come and take it against your will'.
i think there is probably diversity within any country... some people have managed to carve out nice lives for themselves while others struggle...
heard a speel from the GP people the other day... hiking, skiing... adventure sports. pubs... pool... can be a nice life. a nice lifestyle block. would be nice to fly a small plane. these things are viable, i guess. some horses. little bit of an organic farm... if you want...
if you want...
i'm grumpy because i'm stuck in the city with the kids / streetkids. over the city i am.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 26, 2015, at 13:37:30
In reply to Re: not doing so well » alexandra_k, posted by Horse on May 23, 2015, at 1:22:54
> Don't ever move here (US).
You can move there healthy and with a job offer including medical insurance, but having a mental affliction in the US is no fun at all.
Neither is being poor.
Posted by Horse on May 26, 2015, at 20:10:35
In reply to Re: not doing so well, posted by Lamdage22 on May 26, 2015, at 13:37:30
I'm curious why you think having mental illness is worse in US than DE. I mean, I think I agree that the U.S. healthcare ststem fails the average citizen....
Posted by fayeroe on May 27, 2015, at 4:13:46
In reply to Lou's warning-wholetruth » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2015, at 7:57:52
Still practicing medicine, Lou?
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 27, 2015, at 6:38:45
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-the whole truth » Lou Pilder, posted by fayeroe on May 27, 2015, at 4:13:46
> Still practicing medicine, Lou?
F,
What you wrote about me here could induce hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions about me and decrease the respect , regard and confidence in which I am held. For to post anything that could lead readers to think that I am being charged by you of practicing medicine, is a false charge against me and I do not want to be blamed or stigmatized as a result of what you have posted about me with impunity here. And worse, since I am trying to save lives here and prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions, a subset of readers could be led to their deaths IMHO by having the respect ,regard and confidence in which I am held decreased by what you have posted about me here in that they could disregard the warning that I have given here that your post about me is linked to. This warning could save lives IMHHHHO, for what is contained in the warning are facts, facts that could mark the difference IMHO between one being a live person or a corpse.
You see, I am abiding by the prohibitions here directed to me by Mr. Hsiung. Prohibitions that IMHO stop me from saving lives and stop me from preventing life-ruining conditions and addictions, stop me from showing the historical relationship between psychiatry and mass-murder, stop me from presenting the Jewish perspective as revealed to me which is against the Jew, against Judaism, which fits the definition of what anti-Semitism entails.
You can post here about me with impunity, but the blood of those that have been killed by the drugs here or induced the person to kill themselves, will not be upon me.
Lou
Posted by Toph on May 27, 2015, at 9:40:51
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-the whole truth » Lou Pilder, posted by fayeroe on May 27, 2015, at 4:13:46
It has been written that the poster is a woman who likes to ride beasts wearing pointed leather footwear. She associates with outlaw artists who promote natural herbs. She has been known to imbibe of distilled spirits that can lead to addiction and suicide. She exudes country cool as it has been revealed to her.
Posted by Phil on May 27, 2015, at 9:59:48
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-the whole truth » fayeroe, posted by Toph on May 27, 2015, at 9:40:51
And she's very cool.
Posted by fayeroe on May 27, 2015, at 14:32:10
In reply to Lou's reply-thairblud » fayeroe, posted by Lou Pilder on May 27, 2015, at 6:38:45
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 27, 2015, at 14:36:04
In reply to Re: not doing so well, posted by Horse on May 26, 2015, at 20:10:35
> I'm curious why you think having mental illness is worse in US than DE. I mean, I think I agree that the U.S. healthcare ststem fails the average citizen....
Well. We have institutions here for rehabilitation (from mental illness) that "americans dream of". Thats actually what american psychiatrists said when they visited.
And its all paid for.
You get money monthly. You can go to rehabilitation. You can get assistance for living all at the expense of the state or the health insurance.
If you dont have money, you dont have to pay.
I dont think that america will give you this much support.
Posted by fayeroe on May 27, 2015, at 14:40:01
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-the whole truth » fayeroe, posted by Toph on May 27, 2015, at 9:40:51
"People are saying that time will take care of people like me
That I'm livin' too fast and they say I can't last too much longer
But little they see that their thoughts of me is my saviour
And little they know that the beat oughta go just a little faster
So pick up the tempo just a little and take it on home
The singer ain't singin' and the drummer's been draggin' too long
Time will take care of itself so just leave time alone
And pick up the tempo just a little and take it on home"
WNHow are you? Miss you.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 27, 2015, at 14:44:29
In reply to Re: not doing so well, posted by Lamdage22 on May 27, 2015, at 14:36:04
These rehabilitation places are not like hospital... at all.
You can actually lead a pretty normal life in there.
I have seen my fellow patients when i was in the US.
I didnt have the impression that they had a whole lot of social support. They try to compensate with more meds which doesnt work!
Posted by fayeroe on May 27, 2015, at 14:45:31
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-the whole truth » fayeroe, posted by Toph on May 27, 2015, at 9:40:51
Message "Lou's warning-the whole truth" is a song for you. I forgot the procedure. I didn't put your name in subject line.
Posted by fayeroe on May 27, 2015, at 15:14:47
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-the whole truth » Toph, posted by Phil on May 27, 2015, at 9:59:48
So are you.....
Posted by 10derheart on May 27, 2015, at 23:49:33
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-the whole truth » fayeroe, posted by Toph on May 27, 2015, at 9:40:51
Posted by 10derheart on May 27, 2015, at 23:54:38
In reply to Face Palm.. (nm), posted by fayeroe on May 27, 2015, at 14:32:10
Hi there, P. Hope you are well - or even "well enough" does it some days...at least for me.
Welcome to the dead zone.
Removeth thy palm from thy face. It is not worth it. Some things change, and some things never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever change, and are the same.
As you already observed.
Posted by alexandra_k on May 28, 2015, at 2:20:23
In reply to Re: Face Palm.. » fayeroe, posted by 10derheart on May 27, 2015, at 23:54:38
have things changed for anyone since obamba care?
i'm doing this paper in health systems at the moment... and having a very hard time of things...
i sort of think that people cherry pick their data to push whatever political agenda they've already decided upon...
they redefine health in various ways (i think we define it broadly perhaps to conceal the fact that we don't actually have a traditional health system (with, you know, doctors and stuff) at all...)
and they get all hung up on 'intermediate performance measures' of 'efficiency' and 'quality' and stuff... that seem very far removed from anything of any actual significance.
i suspect it is 'i can show you how to save several million dollars and improve quality if you give me a mere one million all to myself...' and then they proceed to improve quality by redefining it such that we now have some ahahahahaha laughing to the bank. spending more money on people redefining things here and there than we are spending on the front line of healthcare (we have 'shown' that there isn't benefit to paying them - but there is benefit to your paying us to redefine quality such that giving us money helps it!)
and i'm just... dubious. really.so...
my personal experience... was that i got best health care in aussie. but took me a while to get there... and i also feel i was pretty lucky to find the particular clinician i did. but then, aspects of the system there made it possible for me to see him (the public health system contributed towards him seeing me and he contributed some by lowering the standard copay significantly).
the US... i don't suppose i was there long enough...?? but things seemed okay... but i was in north carolina... and you can't generalise too much between states... similarly for aussie, i think...
here...
well... sucks to be poor ANYWHERE i think. just... sucks to be poor.
being a student is a buffer on being poor. i think. takes out the significant majority of the environmental sting. for me, anyway. i suppose i am lucky.
but then...
i did get dx with autistic spectrum here... and that seems to fit. but then... it seems to fit me here, if that makes sense. perhaps i'd be different in a different environment... i think things have been better for me lately... i got good compression gear from disability. i got disability. i have a great GP now (who isn't keen to medicate me and who isn't keen to... freak out when i freak out (if that makes sense)... and a nurse who i click with to have catch up coffee with which helps me a great deal, actually... and ACC has finally come through on my physical injuries... sort of... we will see...
i might be getting a foot reconstruction. will involve about 4 joints needing to be realigned or something... i want to look into it more before anythhing major is done... but the metal will be coming out. quite a lot of it.. i will look into bone plugs and make sure i ask about that because i think the bone has healed up by pulling away from the metal (apparently the screw that was meant to fuse hasn't successfully done that at all)... so.... anyway... not sure how much i trust the health system over here (or anywhere). i don't suppose it is wise to trust it at all.
Posted by fayeroe on May 29, 2015, at 0:59:04
In reply to Re: Face Palm.. » fayeroe, posted by 10derheart on May 27, 2015, at 23:54:38
> Hi there, P. Hope you are well - or even "well enough" does it some days...at least for me.
>
> Welcome to the dead zone.
>
> Removeth thy palm from thy face. It is not worth it. Some things change, and some things never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever change, and are the same. And only two people can change it. It would never get everyone back but at least the people here could have relief and joy.
>
> As you already observed.You really, really made me smile and then it turned into a sad smile. So much was here and now it's gone.
It could be changed, but we both know it has as much chance as a snowball in hell. I miss it. P
Posted by Horse on June 2, 2015, at 17:30:29
In reply to Re: Face Palm.. » 10derheart, posted by fayeroe on May 29, 2015, at 0:59:04
Yeah, sad smile. I miss the good times here, too.
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