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Posted by Fivefires on August 30, 2007, at 11:01:37
FOA, we could start this discussion ruling out all non-realities, ... I mean 'no psychoses' allowed. Is that 'mean'? I'm sorry, but this seems correct here.
If we discuss it, will it become more real in our minds, and then will this knowledge somehow transform our behavior in a bad way? So we'd be saying knowledge is bad? This would suck I'd think.
I'm clueless. Truly clueless. Never wanted to harm another. Lived half of my life. Still, never.
???, 5f
Posted by Riley on August 30, 2007, at 12:02:46
In reply to Are we afraid to discuss *omi*ide?, posted by Fivefires on August 30, 2007, at 11:01:37
> I'm clueless. Truly clueless. Never wanted to harm another. Lived half of my life. Still, never.
>Uh, I'm a bit clueless myself as to what you're going for ---- harm to another/others?
I not sure what "we are afraid" to discuss other than to say talk of harm to others isn't encouraged here I don't believe. For me, there are good reasons for that discouragement.
Posted by Kath on August 30, 2007, at 15:27:13
In reply to Re: Are we afraid to discuss *omi*ide? » Fivefires, posted by Riley on August 30, 2007, at 12:02:46
I think that it wouldn't be in anyone's best interests to discuss that here, really.
If someone has those desires or feelings, I think it would be safer & more helpful to discuss them with a trained professional - for ex. a therapist, counsellor, etc.
Kath
Posted by Phillipa on August 30, 2007, at 20:26:52
In reply to Re: Are we afraid to discuss *omi*ide?, posted by Kath on August 30, 2007, at 15:27:13
I definitely agree don't think it's come up before has it? Phillipa
Posted by ClearSkies on August 31, 2007, at 8:39:39
In reply to Re: Are we afraid to discuss *omi*ide?, posted by Kath on August 30, 2007, at 15:27:13
> I think that it wouldn't be in anyone's best interests to discuss that here, really.
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> If someone has those desires or feelings, I think it would be safer & more helpful to discuss them with a trained professional - for ex. a therapist, counsellor, etc.
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> KathI agree, Kath - I don't know that this would be an appropriate place for such a discussion, and could be a source of many triggers for the members.
CS
Posted by Fivefires on August 31, 2007, at 12:24:12
In reply to Re: Are we afraid to discuss *omi*ide? » Fivefires, posted by Riley on August 30, 2007, at 12:02:46
I guess that was what I thought we would all say.
It's one of those things which, unless your occupation somehow requires knowledge of it, you're better off not knowing the hows and whys of such things.
But, do you all really think a person would do as this person did, just because he was knowledgeable of his own red flags? I'd tend to think not. Rather I'd think this is something to separate from *uicide to even be included in the same sentence w/ it. I do!
I was just thinking we could discuss it afa knowledge of, I guess especially, the difference between hurting oneself, as opposed to hurting others.
They've finished investigating *irg *ech and the governor will be chaning some privacy laws.
I have hurt myself in my past, but never ever have I thought of hurting another person. That's what I mean by 'I'm clueless'.
I saw an emergency Pdoc (never seen b4) and she asked me, 'Do you ever feel like ripping someone's face off?' I got that look on my face like puzzled, insulted, and disgused all at once. I should have told her I 'was' so insulted. Think said 'of course not'. I've been asked are you s or h before, but never w/ such a horrible vivid description. I immediately thought of Anthony Hopkins in S**ence of the **mbs.
Where? Why? How? Is there 'goodness' missing because it was never there, or, did they never have any, I wonder.
I dislike fear keeping me from learning and knowledge, but I agree w/ you as well.
After the violent video games, there were peeps who committed similar acts, I believe.
So this is a issue for doctors and for the crew of 'Criminal Minds' I guess.
Tks for your POV. TV just gives you facts, so you can't get 'a feeling for what was happening in this person's mind'. I think if he'd mentioned an interest in *ol*mbine, right then and there someone should have objected very strongly. But they didn't say to whom he spoke this. I thought to myself it was prob' his parents as it was in high school he had that, well it's an eponym, an actual dx I guess, for when fear keeps you from speaking. Forget what it was called.
The roommate was concerned for his roommate, it sounded like, ... instead of for himself.
I've heard people say 'they snapped' before. The report didn't mention anything like this. I was getting the person acted w/ pre-meditation and so would have had to have been 'rational' in a way, but the mention of *ol*mbine threw me in a diff' direction.
I'llStayHere&Hide(Wrong word?)W/YouGuys, 5f
Posted by Fivefires on September 1, 2007, at 16:08:22
In reply to Re: Are we afraid to discuss *omi*ide? » Fivefires, posted by Riley on August 30, 2007, at 12:02:46
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> > I'm clueless. Truly clueless. Never wanted to harm another. Lived half of my life. Still, never.
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> Uh, I'm a bit clueless myself as to what you're going for ---- harm to another/others?
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> I not sure what "we are afraid" to discuss other than to say talk of harm to others isn't encouraged here I don't believe. For me, there are good reasons for that discouragement.>I guess you're meaning because this 'a mental health site' cs? Is this why?
We know this site is to discuss ways to have good mental health, and is not just a place to mull over the way it can be so hard.
I thought it might be good for us to see or understand what precipitates someone to reach a point where their, very obviously, terrible, life situation, on total strangers.
I thought discussing these warning signs might protect us and others.
tks, 5f
Posted by Riley on September 1, 2007, at 19:23:53
In reply to Re: Are we afraid to discuss *omi*ide?, posted by Fivefires on September 1, 2007, at 16:08:22
To be honest, I did not "get" what you were desiring to discuss from your first post. I thought it involved the specifics of someone posting about doing harm to others - which recently was an issue on another board here.
Are you disappointed at the responses you received?
Indeed, I wish warning signs were addressed and I wished good and effective treatment happened - However, I must excuse myself from any discussion of the recent VT events as it is actually too close personally to me.
Posted by Fivefires on September 1, 2007, at 19:56:56
In reply to Re: » Fivefires, posted by Riley on September 1, 2007, at 19:23:53
> To be honest, I did not "get" what you were desiring to discuss from your first post. I thought it involved the specifics of someone posting about doing harm to others - which recently was an issue on another board here.
>I was understanding this.
Didn't know of anything on another board.
> Are you disappointed at the responses you received?
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> Indeed, I wish warning signs were addressedI believe there is a big diff' between S-al and H-al, but pdocs, therapists, hotlines, all ask the one sentence question w/ both words, side by side, in it. Worried re: no distinction will be made.
>and I wished good and effective treatment happened -
However, I must excuse myself from any discussion of the recent VT events as it is actually too close personally to me.>I had a panic attack in a store two days ago, Instead of asking if could help me, the employees looked at me strangely. I remember thinking 'They look like they're scared of me. They look like they're gonna' call the police, and I just don't feel good'. I was sort of covering my eyes and tearing up and had my hand on my chest w/ labored breathin, just trying to pay for my purchases and get myself out of there. Guess I probably felt sad these people weren't being kind. Prob' how feels to be discriminated against.
Very sorry close to you. Forget I'm one of a handful over east US. I think I'll join you and excuse myself as well.
TY 4 explaining.
bestwishes, 5f
Posted by Riley on September 1, 2007, at 20:28:57
In reply to Done, posted by Fivefires on September 1, 2007, at 19:56:56
> I believe there is a big diff' between S-al and H-al, but pdocs, therapists, hotlines, all ask the one sentence question w/ both words, side by side, in it. Worried re: no distinction will be made.
><< I understand that well. I know it can feel insulting that "harm" is lumped into if one is thinking of doing something to oneself that it's linked to doing something to others. I feel that's unfair also.<<
> I had a panic attack in a store two days ago, Instead of asking if could help me, the employees looked at me strangely. I remember thinking 'They look like they're scared of me. They look like they're gonna' call the police, and I just don't feel good'. I was sort of covering my eyes and tearing up and had my hand on my chest w/ labored breathin, just trying to pay for my purchases and get myself out of there. Guess I probably felt sad these people weren't being kind. Prob' how feels to be discriminated against.
><<I'm sorry that happened to you. It doesn't feel good to be mentally ill and everyone be painted with the same brush. Again, I don't feel it's fair at all.<<
> Very sorry close to you. Forget I'm one of a handful over east US. I think I'll join you and excuse myself as well.
><<Thank you, your words are very kind.<<
Posted by Kath on September 1, 2007, at 22:20:56
In reply to Re: Are we afraid to discuss *omi*ide?, posted by Fivefires on August 31, 2007, at 12:24:12
fivef,
I think it was very inappropriate for that pdoc to word that question in that way!
I leaves me totally scratching my head like HOW UNprofessional was that????!!!!!
(((((((((((you))))))))))luv, Kath & sorry about the lack of a caring response in the store.
Years ago, I worked at the Canadian National Institute for the Blind. Before I had that job, I was VERY uncomfortable with folks with disabilities. I just didn't know "how to be". After working at CNIB, I learned to be really at ease with people with disabilities. Now, when I see someone, for example in a wheelchair, I just behave as I would with any other person with regard (for instance) to eye contact. Before, I would have acted like the person was invisible.
Now that I've changed, I often will attempt to make eye contact. Not in a pushy way, but just in a friendly way. I have come to believe, from the way many folks have responded, that quite a few people might NOT (for example) make eye contact with people with disabilities.
When my daughter (with severe multiple chemical sensitivities) is out in public wearing her mask, she has found that people generally have 1 of 2 reactions:
...either they totally ignore her
...they stare at her as if she couldn't see them staring.
then of course, there are some teens who will say rude things such as "SARS!!!!!!!!" meaning when Sars was such a health risk, people would sometimes wear masks.
Kath
Posted by adelaide curtis on September 1, 2007, at 22:24:22
In reply to Are we afraid to discuss *omi*ide?, posted by Fivefires on August 30, 2007, at 11:01:37
I think this is the "place" to vent and express your (ours, mine, theirs) pain or concerns..
put a "trigger" in the subject line..
this is a mental health forum...am i right?
..
Posted by Fivefires on September 2, 2007, at 15:24:38
In reply to People not knowing how to act............ » Fivefires, posted by Kath on September 1, 2007, at 22:20:56
> fivef,
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> I think it was very inappropriate for that pdoc to word that question in that way!
I recently had one word it in an even worse way which I can't repeat here. I told the pdoc I fould it to be very unkind and even 'warped'. Don't think pdoc even looked up at me as I said this. Not my usual pdoc.> I leaves me totally scratching my head like HOW UNprofessional was that????!!!!!
>
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> (((((((((((you))))))))))
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> luv, Kath & sorry about the lack of a caring response in the store.
>
> Years ago, I worked at the Canadian National Institute for the Blind. Before I had that job, I was VERY uncomfortable with folks with disabilities. I just didn't know "how to be". After working at CNIB, I learned to be really at ease with people with disabilities. Now, when I see someone, for example in a wheelchair, I just behave as I would with any other person with regard (for instance) to eye contact. Before, I would have acted like the person was invisible.
>
> Now that I've changed, I often will attempt to make eye contact. Not in a pushy way, but just in a friendly way. I have come to believe, from the way many folks have responded, that quite a few people might NOT (for example) make eye contact with people with disabilities.
>I know. It's nice to, for examp, ask if you can open the door for someone, or if u see someone crying, approach and say 'ru ok?', but there are those who seem not to wish for help and when they respond this way, I just sort of say 'okay good .. just thought I'd offer'.
> When my daughter (with severe multiple chemical sensitivities) is out in public wearing her mask, she has found that people generally have 1 of 2 reactions:
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> ...either they totally ignore her
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> ...they stare at her as if she couldn't see them staring.
>
> then of course, there are some teens who will say rude things such as "SARS!!!!!!!!" meaning when Sars was such a health risk, people would sometimes wear masks.
>(((((((((you and your daughter)))))))))
I'm so sorry about this bullying and intimidation, well, almost, discrimination!
I got my monthly newsletter from Amer Pain Found and there's a large article about employers discriminating against a person disabled due to chronic pain. I've been a victim of this at one time. Well, sometimes I still am.
Jeez there I went again. Don't mean this to be about me.
I'm hoping and wishing your daughter has some good friends and support..
> Kath
5f
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