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Posted by James K on March 9, 2006, at 17:45:59
In reply to Re: Dip that needs refrigerating but didn't get it, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 17:42:16
> but no i wouldn't serve it to guests lol!!!
__ acutally serving to "a" guest first might be the best bet.
James K
Posted by JenStar on March 9, 2006, at 18:47:03
In reply to Dip that needs refrigerating but didn't get it, posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 16:50:33
I've eaten stuff that's been out all night without issue - dips, chili, sandwich meat, etc.
As long as it's not a hot humid summer by you, and you're at a coolish indoor temp, you should be OK.
If it smells funny, though, or if bugs got in it, I'd toss it. (I'm not implying that you're the kind of person who eats bugs! I just meant that if it was open and flies could have landed on it, maybe it's best to toss it.)
good luck!
JenStar
Posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 19:21:52
In reply to Re: Dip that needs refrigerating but didn't get it » LegWarmers, posted by JenStar on March 9, 2006, at 18:47:03
> ... or if bugs got in it, I'd toss it. (I'm not implying that you're the kind of person who eats bugs!
Not that there is anything wrong with eating bugs...
(Remembering a thread a while back now on wheevles or somesuch - however you spell that...)
I think there might be a bug eater or two on Babble
;-)
Posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 19:23:36
In reply to Re: Dip that needs refrigerating but didn't get it, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 19:21:52
Though... On a similar note...
Disgust..
Is supposed to be an aversion to things that might make you sick...
Is that an emotion????
If someone displays an aversion to some kind of food / smell
(By screwing up their faces or somesuch)
Does that count as feeling disgusted?
(The emotion)
?
Just wondering what people think off the top of their head...
Posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 19:52:09
In reply to Re: Dip that needs refrigerating but didn't get it, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 17:42:16
> but no i wouldn't serve it to guests lol!!!
; )
wanna come over for drinks and dips lol
Posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 19:52:41
In reply to Re: Dip that needs refrigerating but didn't get it » 838, posted by James K on March 9, 2006, at 17:45:59
> > but no i wouldn't serve it to guests lol!!!
>
> __ acutally serving to "a" guest first might be the best bet.
>
> James K: ) I like that idea too
Posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 19:55:20
In reply to Re: Dip that needs refrigerating but didn't get it » LegWarmers, posted by JenStar on March 9, 2006, at 18:47:03
>
> If it smells funny, though, or if bugs got in it, I'd toss it. (I'm not implying that you're the kind of person who eats bugs! I just meant that if it was open and flies could have landed on it, maybe it's best to toss it.)
>
> good luck!
> JenStar
LOL, Ive always wanted to taste an ant ; ) I've seen chocolate covered ones before
Posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 19:58:28
In reply to Re: Dip that needs refrigerating but didn't get it, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 19:23:36
> Though... On a similar note...
>
> Disgust..
>
> Is supposed to be an aversion to things that might make you sick...
>
> Is that an emotion????
>
> If someone displays an aversion to some kind of food / smell
>
> (By screwing up their faces or somesuch)
>
> Does that count as feeling disgusted?
>
> (The emotion)
>
> ?
>
> Just wondering what people think off the top of their head...
Off the top of my head lol I'd say, yes if the person feels disgust then it counts as the emotion, but if they are just experiencing facial twitches lol then no, but face and emotion generally are in sync.... don't you think?
Posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 20:00:33
In reply to Re: Dip that needs refrigerating but didn't get it, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 17:41:51
> if it doesn't smell bad or look mouldy... i think it might be worth a shot. i'm fairly sensitive to things tasting off when i'm worried they might actually be off... so if it tastes okay then it probably won't kill you.
>
> unless its made out of chicken livers or something...
>
> but i guess it isn't so it's probably okay :-)I got nervous after a few bites and put it back, but now Im eating it again becasue of all your advice : ), It hadnt even been opened so I didn't want to toss it. It tastes and smells fine, except for these little gren fuzzy things... maybe they are a vegetable ; ) j/k
Posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 20:13:38
In reply to disgust as emotion » 838, posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 19:58:28
> Off the top of my head lol I'd say, yes if the person feels disgust then it counts as the emotion...
Ok. So... When people have an aversion to food then they probably feel disgusted...
What about when animals (eg rats) show an aversion to food?
(We can't ask them whether they 'feel' anything at all...)
So the problem is...
Whether experiments on taste aversion in rats...
Are relevant to the nature of disgust...?
Posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 20:16:05
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 20:13:38
And on a similar note...
Surprise.
Is that an emotion?
How about
Empathy.
Is there a qualitative experience (a 'feels' or 'seems' or 'experiential property' or 'qualia' or 'phenomenology) associated with empathy - or is it a more cognitive state??.
Back to surprise...
Is a startle response an emotion?
(Is it worth studying startle responses to learn about the nature of surprise or is this too basic to count as an emotion?
?
Posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 20:17:34
In reply to disgust as emotion » 838, posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 19:58:28
PS are the furry green things...
Dammit... Can't remember what they are called...
Marinated / pickled baby vine leaves?
They can feel a bit furry... Some people don't like them. I think they are ok. Better than anchovies...
Posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 21:01:59
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 20:13:38
> > Off the top of my head lol I'd say, yes if the person feels disgust then it counts as the emotion...
>
> Ok. So... When people have an aversion to food then they probably feel disgusted...
absolutely, I do anyway>
> What about when animals (eg rats) show an aversion to food?
>
> (We can't ask them whether they 'feel' anything at all...)
>
> So the problem is...
>
> Whether experiments on taste aversion in rats...
> Are relevant to the nature of disgust...
>
> ?
>
>No Im sure they experience disgust. they feel, you can see it in their eyes. their emotions are differnet in some ways Im sure....
but i also don't know ; )
Posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 21:10:40
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 20:16:05
> And on a similar note...
>
> Surprise.
>
> Is that an emotion?yup
>
> How about
>
> Empathy.sort of, I think empathy activates emotions
>
> Is there a qualitative experience (a 'feels' or 'seems' or 'experiential property' or 'qualia' or 'phenomenology) associated with empathy - or is it a more cognitive state??.hmm, *??* <thats the inside of my brain atm> : ) Its both cognitive and emotional
>
> Back to surprise...
>
> Is a startle response an emotion?yes, its suprise : )
>
> (Is it worth studying startle responses to learn about the nature of surprise or is this too basic to count as an emotion?
>
> ?hmm, is it worth it? I don't know, maybe too basic.
Posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 21:13:03
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 20:17:34
> PS are the furry green things...
>
> Dammit... Can't remember what they are called...
>
> Marinated / pickled baby vine leaves?
>
> They can feel a bit furry... Some people don't like them. I think they are ok. Better than anchovies...
ew lol
I think its mold ; )j/k they wern't really fuzzy, but they were green, peppers I believe...
Posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 21:42:58
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion » 838, posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 21:01:59
hmm...
there is an experiment... they showed these characters (foreign letters / symbols) to people...
then they showed them a whole range (some had been presented before and others were entirely novel).
people tended to prefer the ones they had been shown before.
i don't think that is an emotional exercise...
preference...
preference seems to be the measure of aversion...
but aversion seems to be the measure for disgust...
but just because you prefer one thing...
doesn't mean you are disgusted by the other...i dunno.
kind of interesting...
i think fur takes longer to grow than one night...
i do.
typically... the guidelines are way conservative anyway...
i read somewhere that macdonalds meat patty takes... something like 3 months to show visible signs of mould...
additives and preservatives and so on and so forth...
ew.
but oil and vinegar and salt can preserve too...
i need sleep...
sleep...
Posted by Damos on March 9, 2006, at 21:59:38
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion » LegWarmers, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 21:42:58
> but just because you prefer one thing...
> doesn't mean you are disgusted by the other...Ceeeeeerect. I have an aversion to Brussel Sprouts, and would far prefer any number of things, but they don't disgust me. No, dislike them immensely, but not disgust.
The empathy one is an interesting one though.... not sure, not sure at all.
> i dunno.
>
> kind of interesting...Surely is
Posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 22:15:39
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion » LegWarmers, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 21:42:58
> hmm...
>
> there is an experiment... they showed these characters (foreign letters / symbols) to people...
>
> then they showed them a whole range (some had been presented before and others were entirely novel).
>
> people tended to prefer the ones they had been shown before.
>
> i don't think that is an emotional exercise...
>
> preference...
>
> preference seems to be the measure of aversion...
>
> but aversion seems to be the measure for disgust...
>
> but just because you prefer one thing...
> doesn't mean you are disgusted by the other...
>
> i dunno.
>
> kind of interesting...yeah it is
>
> i think fur takes longer to grow than one night...
>
> i do.ROFLOL
>
> typically... the guidelines are way conservative anyway...
>
> i read somewhere that macdonalds meat patty takes... something like 3 months to show visible signs of mould...
>*gags* ew ew ew
> additives and preservatives and so on and so forth...
>
> ew.
>ew ew
> but oil and vinegar and salt can preserve too...
> i need sleep...
> sleep...
>sleep? Isnt it morning for you?
i need sleep too
Posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 22:19:12
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion » 838, posted by Damos on March 9, 2006, at 21:59:38
>
> Ceeeeeerect. I have an aversion to Brussel Sprouts, and would far prefer any number of things, but they don't disgust me. No, dislike them immensely, but not disgust.But is it an aversion if you aren't disgusted? i think of an aversion as being grossed out or even causing one to throw up at the mere thought of brussel sprouts. they do have a nasty bite to them dont they...
Posted by James K on March 9, 2006, at 22:19:14
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion » LegWarmers, posted by 838 on March 9, 2006, at 21:42:58
First "I'm the twisted bug eater." (sung to the tune of firestarter by prodigy) I confessed to this several weeks ago in a Deneb first time oyster eating thread.
I ate Lamb and Leaks tonight at Shanghai River. I will eat anything that is presented as food, or I'm in the mood for. Doggie treats, potato eyes, mushrooms. etc.
I won't tell you what I am averted to, or disguted at, because i might trigger myself.
James K
Posted by Damos on March 9, 2006, at 22:26:51
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion » Damos, posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 22:19:12
> But is it an aversion if you aren't disgusted? i think of an aversion as being grossed out or even causing one to throw up at the mere thought of brussel sprouts. they do have a nasty bite to them dont they...
Hmm, for an answer to that you'd need to ask someone who had any idea what the h*ll they were talking about which automatically excludes me ;-)
They's just plain yuk!
BTW, I'm very glad that the dip appears to have had no adverse effects. The stuff about the furry green things did have me a teeny-weeny bit concerned.
Posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 22:34:40
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion » LegWarmers, posted by Damos on March 9, 2006, at 22:26:51
> > But is it an aversion if you aren't disgusted? i think of an aversion as being grossed out or even causing one to throw up at the mere thought of brussel sprouts. they do have a nasty bite to them dont they...
>
> Hmm, for an answer to that you'd need to ask someone who had any idea what the h*ll they were talking about which automatically excludes me ;-)
>and me :)
> They's just plain yuk!
>
> BTW, I'm very glad that the dip appears to have had no adverse effects. The stuff about the furry green things did have me a teeny-weeny bit concerned.Im fairly cautious about what I will eat but I was so hungry and it looked too good not to eat, even with the fuzz ; )
no fuzz really...
Posted by wildcard11 on March 9, 2006, at 22:47:24
In reply to Re: Dip that needs refrigerating but didn't get it » 838, posted by James K on March 9, 2006, at 17:45:59
Posted by JenStar on March 9, 2006, at 23:12:11
In reply to Re: Dip that needs refrigerating but didn't get it, posted by LegWarmers on March 9, 2006, at 20:00:33
so hopefully you don't get salmonella or something, because I'd really feel guilty.
But in case it makes you feel better, I ate some dip that was past the "sell by" date this evening! I ate it with pretzels. Onion dip (old) and pretzels (new.) A yummy combination.
Have you noticed how when dip gets "oldish", it sort of builds up pools of liquid on the surfaces of the creamy area? Is that condensation? Or something far worse?
JenStar
Posted by JenStar on March 9, 2006, at 23:13:35
In reply to Re: disgust as emotion » 838, posted by James K on March 9, 2006, at 22:19:14
I've tasted dog treats before. Kind of bland and wheaty, but not too terrible.
Once I tasted a piece of kitty kibble just to see what it was like. Again, kind of bland, like eating a lot of grain. I'm not surprised that the pets like almost anything else better than their kibble!
JenStar
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