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Posted by Nikkit2 on July 13, 2005, at 11:08:15
Why do things carry on like nothing has changed, when they have?
I'm sure after 9/11 it took weeks before the world was even starting to look like normal, but it seems that after last week, a few eyelids were batted and then everyone went about their lives, "business as usual"..
I want to shout and scream at people who seem to not realise what happened.. How can someone still trawl posts and pick holes? How can anyone threaten suicide at the moment?
But most of all.. how do I get that one image out of my head that is refusing to leave..
Not realising what had happened (word was coming through there had been a power surge further up the line), I didn't expect to see what I did..
You know you hear of stories that when a bomb goes off, you see people with all their clothes blown away? I didn't expect to see someone who looked like all their skin had been blown away.. A woman screaming as her eyes had been burnt out of her head.. Someone screaming that they couldn't move their arm - but there was no arm left to move..How do I stop this? Anger is kicking in.. I guess thats a good sign all in all..
Nikki xx
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 13, 2005, at 12:29:21
In reply to rambling... (contains triggers - could be graphic), posted by Nikkit2 on July 13, 2005, at 11:08:15
Friends,
It is written here,[...how do I stop this?...Anger is kicking in...I guess that is a good sign all in all...].
Friends, in WW II, the Nazis bombed Coventry , England and London. The devistation at Coventry was horrible. Winston Churchill visited the ruins and said,"For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind."
He was quoting a verse from the Jewish scriptures from their book of Hosea. The verse, from the jewish perspective of many jews, and I think what Churchill was thinking , is that, [..Ok, the Nazis have obliterated Coventry, but there will be no proffit to them, for their wind that they have sown, will become a whirlwind for them to reap upon themselves...].
Later in the war, Churchill sent wave upon wave of the RAF bombers over the cities of Nazi Germany. What was a wind to the British, was a whirlwind to the Nazis. The bombs reached Hitler's bunker in Berlin where the war ended as Hiter and many of his constintuancy, committed suicde.
As I read the happenings in London today, I think of Winston Churchill that spoke the words of the prophet Hosea. And I also have anger when I read what has happened in London. But as the sun goes down tonight, I will remember the words of Winston Churchill, and when the sun comes up tomorrow, I hope that my anger will be gone.
Lou
Posted by NikkiT2 on July 13, 2005, at 12:50:36
In reply to rambling... (contains triggers - could be graphic), posted by Nikkit2 on July 13, 2005, at 11:08:15
I left it up on my computer, someone noticed my compter was about to reset and posted it for me..
please ignore it..
I won't be returning to it..
Posted by MidnightBlue on July 13, 2005, at 15:42:02
In reply to rambling... (contains triggers - could be graphic), posted by Nikkit2 on July 13, 2005, at 11:08:15
Nikki,
You have stayed in my thoughts and prayers. Things are not normal here. There is an element of fear for many even in the USA. I think we are pretending everything is okay, but we really know it is not.
Hugs,
MidnightBlue
Posted by sleepygirl on July 13, 2005, at 15:59:38
In reply to rambling... (contains triggers - could be graphic), posted by Nikkit2 on July 13, 2005, at 11:08:15
Don't fret about expressing strong feelings about this. The world is quite insane right now, as it has been before, and undoubtedly will be again. I can't even begin to fathom the horror of it all, and the horror that you've seen. We become numb to it because we cannot deal with it. It is too horrible, too terrible, too painful. I don't know. It makes no sense, like images over and over and over that can't possibly be true...
Posted by thuso on July 13, 2005, at 16:27:25
In reply to Sorry - I didn't mean to post this.., posted by NikkiT2 on July 13, 2005, at 12:50:36
> I left it up on my computer, someone noticed my compter was about to reset and posted it for me..
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> please ignore it..
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> I won't be returning to it..There is nothing wrong with posting this. I hope we never get to the point where we become numb to these types of attacks.
One of the biggest shocks of my life occured when I was in Jerusalem about 18 months ago. My group was just arriving at our hotel and planning to head out to this one part of Jerusalem. As soon as we got there we see all these police fly past us. It turned out that a bus was blown up about a mile from us in the area we were about to go. Over 20 people died. All of us were in shock, but when we went outside to go get some food we were in even more shock at the reaction from the Israeli population. There was none! People walked around like nothing happened...and this was a little over a mile away from the bombing. I guess they had just gotten so used to suicide bombings that they don't have the emotional reactions that we do.
I never want to get to the point where it's normal to react in the way the Israelis did. Even though this was not as big an attack as 9/11, people still died because of the actions of a terrorist group. We shouldn't forget that.
Posted by Racer on July 13, 2005, at 17:01:21
In reply to rambling... (contains triggers - could be graphic), posted by Nikkit2 on July 13, 2005, at 11:08:15
I think I can empathize with you, Nikki. I felt something similar after our earthquake in 1989, although not nearly as bad, I don't think. Somehow, it seems worse to me that *humans* did this to other humans, you know?
Last night, I was watching something on our public television station about the school hostage thing last year in Beslan. It's so easy to allow yourself to understand it only from the headlines, or in theory, or like on a TV program -- and so drattedly difficult to take it in in human terms. The documentary last night almost *forced* it to be seen and felt and understood in human terms. They interviewed people who had been hostages. One mother was talking about what happened right before her young son, her only child, died of heart failure from heat and dehydration. How could anyone NOT feel for her pain?
I think it's easier to look at these things as "big pictures", because seeing them as they really are, as a collection of individual lives, is so painful.
Funny, I was kinda thinking about this while I watched that documentary last night. You know what really struck me the hardest, and gave me the biggest perspective change? It was watching the local men running to the windows of the school, as the terrorists were in a shooting match with those outside, to carry the women and children from the school. These men were literally risking their lives, they were rescuing people they may not even have known, they weren't stopping for anything, they looked terrified -- and they ran back in there as soon as they dropped off each person they rescued. Watching that, I have hope for our species. We still have heroes among us.
I'm going to hold on to that thought. We still have, for all the bad, some good. We still have heroes, and they walk among us, unrecognized, every day.
Posted by alexandra_k on July 13, 2005, at 17:09:03
In reply to rambling... (contains triggers - could be graphic), posted by Nikkit2 on July 13, 2005, at 11:08:15
Its okay to post it. Better to get it out.
I guess when it happens so close to home like that, well, it really brings it close to home (sorry that sounds rather silly)...
I just mean that lots of horrific things have happened in the history of the world. Natural disaster. And what human beings have done to each other too.
I've never been that close to it.
I can't really imagine what it is like, what you are going through.
Though I guess it is a type of post traumatic response when the mental images, the pictures and noises just keep recurring.
It is horrible.
I just hope it isn't used as an excuse for more violence...
For more people still to have to bear memories such as these...I guess the thought about 'buisness as usual' is to try and show the people who did this (or the people who might be tempted to imitate) that their actions aren't really of so very much lasting significance. That things will carry on. But I think it is also true that that attitude is somewhat disrespectful of the people who are rather understandably traumatised by it.
I'm sorry Nikki.
It will take some time...
Do you have someone you can talk to about this?
A therapist?
Something?
Just to help you process the memories?
Posted by Dinah on July 13, 2005, at 20:13:19
In reply to rambling... (contains triggers - could be graphic), posted by Nikkit2 on July 13, 2005, at 11:08:15
Nikki, don't worry about posting it. Sometimes the news sanitizes things too much, and we need to be reminded of the pain of individuals. One of the most moving things I read about 9/11 was a comment Jane made on this board.
I think Racer is right. These situations show the unimaginable acts that humans can commit on one another. But they also show the unimaginable kindness and courage that humans can show towards one another.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 13, 2005, at 22:35:17
In reply to ((((Nikki)))) » Nikkit2, posted by Dinah on July 13, 2005, at 20:13:19
Nikki,
We're here for you if it helps. I'm glad you posted that. It's hard to know what it's really like when it is sanitized by distance and the news.Things like this remind me why I like to tilt at windmills. Even if I can't change a system or a huge problem, I can avoid letting it change me to the point that I become sensitized to it and no longer care.
((((Nikki)))) Take your time with this and be extra gentle, caring and compassionate with yourself. Let us know how we can help.
gg
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