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Posted by NikkiT2 on February 1, 2003, at 12:32:34
In reply to Ethnic Jokes, posted by OddipusRex on February 1, 2003, at 12:13:13
Have you never told a blonde joke?? Or anything along those lines??
Or are ones like that OK?
I am sitting here ttrying to think of a joke that doesn't take the mickey out of someone or something... I can't think of one off the top of my head.
Nikki
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2003, at 12:32:39
In reply to Ethnic Jokes, posted by OddipusRex on February 1, 2003, at 12:13:13
OR,
You wrote,[...I come from the same perspective as Lou...]. You also wrote ,[..this is a public place...].
I believe that you have added a good addition to my perspective,ie; that this board is [public].
Being a public board gives a different set of conciousness to the poster than if the poster said what was posted in [private].
This rest of your post is too comprehensive for me to be able to use the time and space available to me here to comment on, but it is worthy of more discussion.
Best regards,
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2003, at 12:37:18
In reply to Re: Ethnic Jokes » OddipusRex, posted by NikkiT2 on February 1, 2003, at 12:32:34
NikkiT2,
You wrote,[...take the {micky} out of something...]
Could you clarify what is meant by [....the {micky}..]? If you could, then I could be better able to discuss with you in regards to the subject in question here on this thread.
Lou
Posted by Dinah on February 1, 2003, at 12:46:32
In reply to Ethnic Jokes, posted by OddipusRex on February 1, 2003, at 12:13:13
I looked up the origin of the term redneck on google, and here is some of what I found.
http://www.sonic.net/College-in-a-Can/proftalk/319.html
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=rednecks
So it does, and always has, had a class connotation.
Posted by jane d on February 1, 2003, at 12:46:34
In reply to Re: standing by my view ... » Dinah, posted by jay on January 31, 2003, at 21:20:11
> Dinah:
>
> Well, first off, 'rednecks' aren't a social class, and they aren't a racial class. The term is used for someones social and political values.Jay,
I think this is a part of why you don't understand the conflict here. Your definition of redneck is not the only one that exists. It is one meaning but, at least here in the states, it can have all sorts of other meanings depending on who uses it. It has been used so often by people who believe that all members of the white, southern, working class are by definition bigots, who believe that uneducated means unintelligent, that it is part of the meaning of the term now. I think it's very dangerous to assume you know all the connotations of any phrase used here. There are so many differences not just between Canada and the US, but between different parts of the country and different classes as well.Jane, who doesn't understand half the terms used by the other Americans on this site, let alone the rest of you people.
Posted by jay on February 1, 2003, at 13:22:41
In reply to Re: Try to understand OTHER'S view » jay, posted by jane d on February 1, 2003, at 12:46:34
Hey, I have *no* problem making fun of bigots! I am not going to be "p.c." and say "ohhh..those KKK Nazis need love too...". You gotta draw the line *somewhere*..Jay
Posted by NikkiT2 on February 1, 2003, at 13:34:19
In reply to Re: Ethnic Jokes » NikkiT2, posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2003, at 12:37:18
Sorry.. thats a British thing.. its a polite way of saying "take the piss"
Nikki
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2003, at 13:54:52
In reply to Re: Ethnic Jokes » Lou Pilder, posted by NikkiT2 on February 1, 2003, at 13:34:19
NikkiT2,
You wrote what the British phrase ,[Micky], means. But could you clarify your replacement for {Micky}in regards to what [take the --- out of] means for the new pharase, also, is not understood by me. If you could clarify [...take the --- out of...], then I could have a better understanding of what you are writing and be better able to respond to your post.
Lou
Posted by dreamerz on February 1, 2003, at 14:07:29
In reply to British phrases » NikkiT2, posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2003, at 13:54:52
Hi Lou..
The phrases both mean to ridicule , make fun of.
Posted by NikkiT2 on February 1, 2003, at 14:32:48
In reply to British phrases » NikkiT2, posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2003, at 13:54:52
Sorry..
Yes, dreamerz said it better than me.. to make fun of...
nikki
Posted by jane d on February 1, 2003, at 14:34:18
In reply to I *don't* have/or want to *understand* bigotry! » jane d, posted by jay on February 1, 2003, at 13:22:41
>
> Hey, I have *no* problem making fun of bigots! I am not going to be "p.c." and say "ohhh..those KKK Nazis need love too...". You gotta draw the line *somewhere*..
>
> JayNeither do I. One of my favorite targets is the bigots on the left (and that would be my own side of the political fence by the way) who assume that you can make assumptions about someone's beliefs based on their social class or the accent they speak with or even whether they have a rifle mounted in their pickup truck and throw beer cans out the window.
To throw another stereotype into the mix this blind spot seems to be particularly common among educated, middle class residents of northeastern cities whose only exposure to southerners in on TV reruns. It's fascinating to see that this bias can cross national bounderies as well.
Jane,
who actually enjoyed some of the jokes and is trying to come up with the appropriate Northeastern Intellectual Snob counterparts (for private distribution only, of course)
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2003, at 15:09:01
In reply to Re: Ethnic Jokes » OddipusRex, posted by NikkiT2 on February 1, 2003, at 12:32:34
NikkiT2,
You wrote,[...trying to think of a joke that doesn't take the {micky}[which has been posted to mean],{to make fun of} out of someone or something...].
Are you saying, then, that posts that make fun of people, are to be permitted to be posted here because, in general, you can not think if a joke that does not [take the micky out of someone or something...]? If so, could you clarify if there could be a rational that you could propose that could be used to separate posts that make fun of people, or ridicule people, that could be deemed to be [not OK here], and those that could be deemed [OK here] to post? If you could, then we could discuss whether or not the post in question here could be deemed either [OK or not OK to post here], by the basis of your proposed rational. For example, could you use two examples to separate into either [OK or not OK] to post here by the basis of your proposed rational? If you could, then I could have a better understanding of your previous posts and be better able to discuss them with you.
Lou
Posted by Tabitha on February 1, 2003, at 15:21:49
In reply to Ethnic Jokes, posted by OddipusRex on February 1, 2003, at 12:13:13
Oddipus, I wish we could all do #4. You could tell us how the joke made you feel, IsoM could tell us how your reaction to her post made her feel, and everyone else could jump in with their feelings and associations about it. Then we could struggle to understand and accept each others' reactions.
Posted by Dinah on February 1, 2003, at 15:26:51
In reply to I *don't* have/or want to *understand* bigotry! » jane d, posted by jay on February 1, 2003, at 13:22:41
>
> Hey, I have *no* problem making fun of bigots! I am not going to be "p.c." and say "ohhh..those KKK Nazis need love too...". You gotta draw the line *somewhere*..
>
> JayJay, why do you assume that rednecks are KKK Nazi, racist, sexist, child beaters? Isn't that a pretty broad opinion to have of an entire group of people? A white member of the Southern rural laboring class is not necessarily any of those things. If you dislike KKK Nazi, racist, sexist childbeaters, why don't you just say that? I'm assuming you don't automatically dislike Southerners or laborers. If you do, then of course there is no need to say more...
A couple of relevant definitions from Merriam-Webster Online.
Main Entry: red·neck
Pronunciation: 'red-"nek
Function: noun
Date: 1830
1 sometimes disparaging : a white member of the Southern rural laboring class
2 often disparaging : a person whose behavior and opinions are similar to those attributed to rednecks*NOTE (from Dinah) it says attributed to rednecks, not belonging to rednecks. Who is doing the attributing?
Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1661
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
- big·ot·ed /-g&-t&d/ adjective
- big·ot·ed·ly adverb
Posted by NikkiT2 on February 1, 2003, at 15:53:43
In reply to Re: Ethnic Jokes » NikkiT2, posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2003, at 15:09:01
Lou,
All I was saying is that ALL jokes make fun of someone or something.. I asked if OddipusRex has ever made a joke?? I was just trying to point out that if he had done so, he would have been making fun of someone.
I said NO MORE than that, so please do not see things which aren't there.
have you *ever* told a joke Lou?? I think most people have done.
Nikki
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2003, at 15:58:54
In reply to Re: British phrases » Lou Pilder, posted by NikkiT2 on February 1, 2003, at 14:32:48
NikkiT2,
Perhaps you could write after reading the following if they could be either OK or not OK to be posted on this board, or give some other examples to illustrate your point and your rational for such.
A) A man enters his psychiatrist's office and says to him, "Hello". The psychiatrist replys, "What do you mean by that?"
B) A man visits a psychiatrist and tells him that he is there to tell him that his wife thinks that she is a chicken. The psychiatrist says, "How long has she thought that she was a chicken?" The man answers, "Two years." The psychiatrists says to him, "Why havn't you come to me sooner?" The man answers, "We needed the eggs."
Lou
Posted by Ritch on February 1, 2003, at 16:06:07
In reply to Re: FYI, posted by Dinah on February 1, 2003, at 12:46:32
> I looked up the origin of the term redneck on google, and here is some of what I found.
>
> http://www.sonic.net/College-in-a-Can/proftalk/319.html
>
> http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=rednecks
>
> So it does, and always has, had a class connotation.
>
>Dinah, yes it is more of a geo-socio-economic thing rather than an ethnic one. My parents families are poor white people and I have been poor most of my life and lived in a rural area in the South. I just *identified* with the humor, it just seems the NAME is what sets everything awry. Perhaps hayseed instead? Geez, didn't mean to offend anybody.
Posted by Dinah on February 1, 2003, at 16:20:27
In reply to Re: FYI » Dinah, posted by Ritch on February 1, 2003, at 16:06:07
Ritch, I hate to be overly sensitive, but doesn't it bother you that when someone says redneck someone else thinks of KKK and child beaters? Don't you think that jokes have a part in that? Jokes have traditionally been used to label groups and desensitize people to hatred.
I don't like to argue, really. But sometimes saying nothing seems like it's saying something.
I'm not talking so much now about IsoM's original jokes. I am sure she didn't mean to unleash what she did. And maybe it would have gone away quicker had Oddipus or I or Lou said nothing. But I've never been a big believer in peace at all costs.
I don't mean to offend you, or IsoM, or Jay, or anyone. I'm sure that a lot of this is just confusion over terminology.
I'm sorry that Oddipus was hurt by getting the impression that her values were being scoffed at. (I'm kind of used to it by now, but it used to hurt me.) I'm sure IsoM is hurt that her jokes were taken in a way that she never intended. And I'm sure that Jay is hurt too. So much hurt all the way around.
As for you, you never offended me at all. You have a different opinion about redneck jokes, that's all.
Posted by NikkiT2 on February 1, 2003, at 16:23:34
In reply to Re: British phrases » NikkiT2, posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2003, at 15:58:54
Lou,
I'm not getting into whether I think certain jokes could be seen as offensive. That could go on forever.
Sorry, so I will not comment on these.
Nikki
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2003, at 16:25:53
In reply to Re: Ethnic Jokes » Lou Pilder, posted by NikkiT2 on February 1, 2003, at 15:53:43
NikkiT2,
You wrote,[...please do not see things which are not there...]. Could you write what I wrote that made you conclude that I [...see things that are not there...]? If you could , then I could look at it again and make any clarifications, if needed.
Lou
Posted by NikkiT2 on February 1, 2003, at 17:11:00
In reply to Re: Ethnic Jokes » NikkiT2, posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2003, at 16:25:53
Lou,
Your post which included this phrase "Are you saying, then, that posts that make fun of people, are to be permitted to be posted here because, in general, you can not think if a joke that does not" seemed to imply that I said somewhere it was OK to make fun of poeple. I did not say this. I was simply pointing out that ALL jokes make fun of someone or something.
I did not say this was acceptable or unacceptable.. it was a comment all on its own.
I wanted to know if OddipusRex has ever made a joke?? And if so, whether he understood that that joke would be poking fun at someone.. whether it be psychiatrists, blonde women, rednecks or canadians.. basically anyone.
Nikki
Posted by NikkiT2 on February 1, 2003, at 17:19:56
In reply to Re: Ethnic Jokes, posted by NikkiT2 on February 1, 2003, at 17:11:00
Posted by dreamerz on February 1, 2003, at 18:35:42
In reply to Re: Ethnic Jokes, posted by NikkiT2 on February 1, 2003, at 17:11:00
Like Nikki I live in area where white is minority--I prefer it that way , the people I meet joke about themselves -playing around with the stereotypes that folks may put them in .I don't get any bother from anyone--in fact the opposite ...but of course there are always bad apples.
If someone feels like they have to be hyper careful about offending someone then they have a problem..
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2003, at 19:42:11
In reply to Re: Ethnic Jokes, posted by NikkiT2 on February 1, 2003, at 17:11:00
NikkiT2,
You wrote, [...ALL jokes make fun of someone or something...]. That is why I asked you to clarify, [...are you saying, then, that posts that make fun of people, are to be permitted to be posted here because, in general,you can not think of a joke that does not...]?
You now write that [...I did not say this was acceptable or unacceptable...]. That is why I had asked you for clarification, because you left that part unclarified.
But on a different note, I am objecting to this board allowing posts that demean peoples. I objected in the past to the posts demeaning Islamic people. I objected in the past to posts that defame Jewish people. I objected in the past to a post that offered a link to a web site from a political person that posted hate to others including jews. And I have objected to other posts. I am objecting to the post here that now writes about "rednecks" and portreys them in a demeaning manner.I believe, and I have seen the damage done to our young people by others, that think that they commit harmlessness by defaming others under the banner of "joking". To me , I beieve, IMHO, that there should not be allowed these type of posts here for they could be detrimental to the mental health of our young people and that is why I had asked you for clarification. I do not see that those type of posts are "jokes". I do not believe that to make fun of people or to ridicule people is funny at all. I consider "making fun of people" and "jokes that make fun of people" are equilvalent. If you do not mind being the target of an "ethnic joke", then this for you to decide. But I want this board to prohibit those type of posts because there are people that could be hurt by those type of posts , even adults, and I believe that we should be aware of that and consider the sensitivity of others. And Dr. Bob states something similar in his rules for posting. And I wholheartedly agree with him. I do not believe that [all] jokes make fun of people or something. That is an imparitive that ,if true, could allow all kinds of hatred to others on the guise of "joking" and this board could be a haven for hate for the posters that wanted to promulgate hate could put their hate in the form of a joke, and I am dedicated to doing whatever I must do within the bounds of legality to prevent that from happening here. That is why I had asked you for clarification.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2003, at 20:23:34
In reply to Re: Ethnic Jokes » Lou Pilder, posted by NikkiT2 on February 1, 2003, at 15:53:43
NikkiT2,
You wrote, [...I was pointing out that if OddipusRex had made a joke, then he would have been making fun of someone...]
Could you clarify if the following as to if they[...make fun of somebody?...]. If you think that if one or more do make fun of sombody, could you clarify how that is visible? If you could, then I could understand more about what you wrote when you wrote,[...if OR made a joke, then he would be making fun of somebody.]
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