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Posted by kiddo on November 9, 2001, at 14:48:48
In reply to Re: Cutting... Can anyone identify? Everyone.... » kiddo, posted by mair on November 9, 2001, at 7:31:36
Mair-
Actually I did make it to the pdoc Wednesday. It was rather sad actually, he was bummed because a pt. passed away. I was kinda bummed because of everything that's been going on-but-I'm tired of dealing with something I can't control at this point, so I'm trying (sometimes not so successfully) not to worry about it.
I broke down and cried regarding something that a visitor to my site told me-I think it was the first time I've actually felt true empathy for someone. I told my pdoc I didn't understand why I was crying, that I've never experienced that before, he told me it wasn't because I was sad, it was because I was empathetic to their needs. I was shocked-I didn't know that's what it was. It was a rather enlightening session.
Kiddo
> kiddo - your post was entirely appropriate - sometimes it helps to see different people put similar concepts into different words and you were injecting your personal experience. I don't know where akc's caustic response came from but just try to let it go.
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> Did you make it to the pdoc this week?
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> Mair
Posted by Mair on November 9, 2001, at 20:15:39
In reply to Pdoc apptointment » mair, posted by kiddo on November 9, 2001, at 14:48:48
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> "I broke down and cried regarding something that a visitor to my site told me-I think it was the first time I've actually felt true empathy for someone. I told my pdoc I didn't understand why I was crying, that I've never experienced that before, he told me it wasn't because I was sad, it was because I was empathetic to their needs. I was shocked-I didn't know that's what it was. It was a rather enlightening session."
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Kiddo - I hope this means you're not sorry that you went like you thought you might be. Sometimes I think that I'm so self-absorbed and spend so much time analyzing what's going on in my head, that I sort of disregard the fact that my emotions or reactions might be very typical. My therapist occasionally will give me what she calls a "reality check" to let me know that at least in some instances what I am feeling is what anyone might feel. It sounds like this is what you're pdoc is trying to tell you. I'm sure you're not unempathetic - you just maybe don't recognize empathy for what it is.Mair
Posted by kiddo on November 9, 2001, at 20:58:08
In reply to Re: Pdoc apptointment » kiddo, posted by Mair on November 9, 2001, at 20:15:39
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> > "I broke down and cried regarding something that a visitor to my site told me-I think it was the first time I've actually felt true empathy for someone. I told my pdoc I didn't understand why I was crying, that I've never experienced that before, he told me it wasn't because I was sad, it was because I was empathetic to their needs. I was shocked-I didn't know that's what it was. It was a rather enlightening session."
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> Kiddo - I hope this means you're not sorry that you went like you thought you might be. Sometimes I think that I'm so self-absorbed and spend so much time analyzing what's going on in my head, that I sort of disregard the fact that my emotions or reactions might be very typical. My therapist occasionally will give me what she calls a "reality check" to let me know that at least in some instances what I am feeling is what anyone might feel. It sounds like this is what you're pdoc is trying to tell you. I'm sure you're not unempathetic - you just maybe don't recognize empathy for what it is.
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> MairNo, I'm not sorry that I went, it was rather a breakthrough moment for me in therapy. I was bitter and hardened from my past and everything that's happened in my life. I didn't know what 'feeling' empathy really was until Wednesday. I don't know how to put it into words, it's something I've never experienced before in my entire life. I'm still in shock over it all.
Posted by wendy b. on November 9, 2001, at 22:24:11
In reply to Re: Cutting... Can anyone identify? Everyone.... » akc, posted by kid_A on November 9, 2001, at 9:18:19
>(Anyway, your post comes at an interesting time. Thanks for posting it -- it takes courage to admit that you self-harm.
akc)
>(Because cutting is rare, it is a rough thing for people to understand, and I think that includes doctors.akc)
Dear Everyone,
I cut and pasted AKC's remarks because, yes, it takes courage to admit you cut, but as I understand it, no it's not rare.
I also agree, the dramatic handling of cutting on ER last night was a *little* over-the-top, but Carter had an obligation to help the woman, she was clearly almost hitting bottom. And the thing I like about ER is that their writers have their ears to the ground about the issue of self-harm, and it brings the issue into the consciousness of a lot of people who never would have thought about it.
I feel for everyone who has posted here very much. I am trying to understand the reasons people cut, and how it feels when you cut. I value everyone's honesty and openness. I am in group therapy with several women who are younger than me, and they all have cut, or still do, or struggle with cutting from time to time. When we first discussed the topic of 'Stress,' and how we cope with it, everyone in the room except me said cutting was one way they dealt with stress. I went home that night horrified, I felt that I didn't have 'serious' problems like that, thinking I was maybe in the wrong group, I was only BP II, right? - Of course, it turns out it has been a very good group, it's been very mutually supportive and honest. After reading some more about cutting, (there have been some long threads on PSB in the past), and talking about it in group, I have a better understanding. The therapist says, "We talk about it as if it is a dirty little secret that we wish we could hide in a closet. Like you're the only ones doing it. It's not ONLY you, cutting is reaching near-epidemic proportions." So I thought I would add these comments...
you are all in my thoughts tonight,
Wendy
> akc,
> (While there may be some biochemical reasons behind why self-harm is so effective as a release, there is for me much more to it -- the act itself holds meaning.)
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> yes, it does, it's like putting yourself up on the alter for sacrifice, yet you are your own punisher, the sacrificer as well as the offering... To me, like i said its a ritual of sorts... And when it's all done, when the act is complete somehow I've ripped my soul out of myself and brought it back to life... When right before i felt so inhuman, somehow i've come to terms w/ my own inate humanity...
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> And there is control, no one is doing this to me, i am doing it... i am the author of the act, i am the one wielding the razor... i think of them more as battle scars in a war with depression, war wounds from the front... We're at war with ourselves, fighting to stay sane in whatever way we can rip that from ourselves... in anyway possible... cutting just happens to do that for me... After that incident i went up both on my AD and my AP so maybe that will straighten out my emotions... Sometimes its better to feel nothing at all, then to feel imense agony...
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> thank you so much for your comments. sometimes knowing that there is someone else who feels and does the same as you makes it less shamefull, in some aspects more rational... as crazy as that seems.
>
> (an amnesiac healing)
Posted by Dinah on November 9, 2001, at 23:50:17
In reply to Re: Cutting... is NOT rare. » kid_A, posted by wendy b. on November 9, 2001, at 22:24:11
Well, I'll admit I wasn't following the show that closely. I saw where Carter saw the old scars and then demanded to see her thighs. I think at that point I might have tried to leave myself. Then the syringe and the forced admittal. It seemed a bit excessive to me for what looked like superficial cuts in what was obviously a long time self injurer. But I probably missed the rest of the show where they gave some reason why the reaction to the old scars wasn't overly dramatic. And maybe it is a sensitive subject for me.
However, I think I'll try to remember not to try to walk away from a doctor under those circumstances, just in case.
Posted by akc on November 10, 2001, at 10:10:47
In reply to Re: Cutting... is NOT rare. » wendy b., posted by Dinah on November 9, 2001, at 23:50:17
I still have a lot of mixed feelings on how ER handled the whole issue of cutting. While I think it takes courage to bring the subject up, I don't think they handled it very well. Mosts cutters are not about to go off the deep end, and showing a cutter who is just gives the wrong impression. The woman was at her emotional end -- wanting drugs, having eating issues, passing out from not taking care of herself, becoming extremely agitated at the drop of a hat.
For me, when I cut, and from a lot of cutters I have met online, I actually become much calmer when I cut. So the picture ER drew did not mesh with those cutters I know.
However, I am glad that the issue of cutting has been brought out a little was from the closet -- I just hope they have the courage to really deal with it, and not leave it where they did. Because the fact is that most people are freaked out by the thought someone would do such a thing to themselves, and that includes doctors -- including ER doctors.
If you ever cut and you need stiches and you go to the ER and you don't want admitted -- stay calm, let them call for the pysch consult, the psych is likely to better understand (likely, not 100% the case though) -- and most of all, don't let them mistreat you. Insist on quality care. Your not crazy for cutting and you have a right to be treated with dignity.
akc
Posted by wendy b. on November 10, 2001, at 10:10:58
In reply to Re: Cutting... is NOT rare. » wendy b., posted by Dinah on November 9, 2001, at 23:50:17
I agree, and remember, I'm looking at it as someone who does not cut, so my view is skewed...
Wendy
> Well, I'll admit I wasn't following the show that closely. I saw where Carter saw the old scars and then demanded to see her thighs. I think at that point I might have tried to leave myself. Then the syringe and the forced admittal. It seemed a bit excessive to me for what looked like superficial cuts in what was obviously a long time self injurer. But I probably missed the rest of the show where they gave some reason why the reaction to the old scars wasn't overly dramatic. And maybe it is a sensitive subject for me.
> However, I think I'll try to remember not to try to walk away from a doctor under those circumstances, just in case.
Posted by Dinah on November 10, 2001, at 10:34:19
In reply to Re: Cutting... is NOT rare. » Dinah, posted by wendy b. on November 10, 2001, at 10:10:58
> I agree, and remember, I'm looking at it as someone who does not cut, so my view is skewed...
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> Wendy
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I can see from what akc wrote that I did miss some important parts of the portrayal.
I smiled when you wrote that your view is skewed. I'm aware that it's my view that is considered to be a bit unusual.
Mind you I am the most careful cutter in the world. I use cuticle scissors, which would be incapable of cutting very deep. I always use alchohol to clean the skin and scissors first. I always use antibiotic ointment after to reduce scars. So I guess I tend to underplay the problem a bit too much because I feel like it's under control. Right now I'm not cutting much at all, largely due to my positive attachment to my therapist. He doesn't make me sign contracts or anything, but I know he would rather that I not do it. Maybe one day I'll quit doing it for myself, but it really doesn't seem that important. One step at a time.
Posted by Dinah on November 10, 2001, at 10:35:18
In reply to Re: Cutting... is NOT rare., posted by Dinah on November 10, 2001, at 10:34:19
Posted by galtin on November 10, 2001, at 11:26:15
In reply to Pdoc apptointment » mair, posted by kiddo on November 9, 2001, at 14:48:48
I broke down and cried regarding something that a visitor to my site told me-I think it was the first time I've actually felt true empathy for someone. I told my pdoc I didn't understand why I was crying, that I've never experienced that before, he told me it wasn't because I was sad, it was because I was empathetic to their needs. I was shocked-I didn't know that's what it was. It was a rather enlightening session.
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> KiddoKiddo,
Thanks for the update. I am glad that you decided to go.I am curious about what your pdoc said. When we are empathetic, aren't we identifying with, even to some degree experiencing, the feelings of another person. So when this person's feelings are sad, don't we feel sad as well? How often do we say that we are empathizing with somebody who is happy? Anyway, was your doctor suggesting that your sadness was the RESULT of your empathy?
Just curious,
galtin
Posted by dreamer on November 10, 2001, at 13:29:03
In reply to Re: Cutting... is NOT rare., posted by Dinah on November 10, 2001, at 10:34:19
Been trying to avoid this thread for I've recently started again on areas that cannot be easily seen.
For me it's what I do when I don't want to live and don't want to die moments.
I usually cut my hair or shave it's a kinda kick in the face of life and because I dislike who I am and then again I wouldn't like to be anyone else -complex.
Also oddly it substitutes affection either giving or recieving.
Don't know why.dreamer still hanging on .........just.
Posted by dreamer on November 10, 2001, at 13:37:55
In reply to Re: Cutting... , posted by dreamer on November 10, 2001, at 13:29:03
> Also, oddly, cutting myself substitutes the lack of affection, either giving affection or recieving it.Made me sound like I cut others so I altered that sentance.
Posted by kiddo on November 10, 2001, at 19:13:56
In reply to Re: Pdoc apptointment, posted by galtin on November 10, 2001, at 11:26:15
> Kiddo,
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> Thanks for the update. I am glad that you decided to go.
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> I am curious about what your pdoc said. When we are empathetic, aren't we identifying with, even to some degree experiencing, the feelings of another person. So when this person's feelings are sad, don't we feel sad as well? How often do we say that we are empathizing with somebody who is happy? Anyway, was your doctor suggesting that your sadness was the RESULT of your empathy?
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> Just curious,
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> galtin
Galtin-You're welcome, I'm glad I went as well, it turned out to be a really good one. You know what empathy is, as I'm sure most people on this board do as well.
Until this past Wednesday, I had never had an experience like it before. There were times when I thought I was, but, it was more like an "I know what you mean" without the feelings/emotions to go with it. Words without meaning. I couldn't put it into words that day either, and told him so, that's when he said what he did about my not being sad, but empathetic to them and their needs.
What he meant was that I wasn't personally sad-the only time I'd ever cried before. I've only cried in one movie-ever, and I was alone then.
I hope have a better understanding of what I'm trying to convey-and if you do (or anyone for that matter) please let ME know!
Kiddo
Posted by kid_A on November 12, 2001, at 8:45:07
In reply to Re: Cutting... is NOT rare. » kid_A, posted by wendy b. on November 9, 2001, at 22:24:11
> I cut and pasted AKC's remarks because, yes, it takes courage to admit you cut, but as I understand it, no it's not rare.
nice word choice... :) I've cut and pasted bandages... :)
I dont have tv, i mean, i just dont have cable or some sort of tv w/ a antanae, i just read mostly and listen to music, and maybe do gfx design or music production on the pc... so i'm in the dark about ER and how they treated this subject... bridging the subject at all i think is an important step... i dont ever feel like i am at 'the end of my rope' as some have described this character, but i do feel like i am at the end of my ability to rationally cope w/ my bad feelings in a non self-destructive way...
i was interesting in understanding if there is some sort of predeterminance towards cutting for one person or the other... my friend went through an instance where a girl who is in love with him showed him a deep cut she made around her wrist, (verticle, horizontal, i dont know)... he made it sound like it sickened him and he wanted to get away from her, called her 'crazy'... this is not but a few weeks when he found out that i had my cutting incident... of course we are close friends, and he doesnt judge me other than he wishes i wouldn't do that, but i wonder why he doesnt see it for what it is... a defensive mechanism... of course im not really one to go showing off to people cuts i have made... so the situation is a little bit different...
to me thre seems to be more things similar about the reasons, and reactions to personal cutting than there are differences, and perhaps it just happens for some people due to the makeup of their personalities, not necisarily a schizm or mental impetus...
back to pdocs tommorow after 1 week away, im sure they want to monitor my progress after a week of upping my medication... how are you feeling? do you feel better? to you feel like you want to hurt yourself? right now, i really dont feel anything... ive realised the best way to make it through each day is to have as little feeling as possible, for what you can not change...
Posted by judy1 on November 12, 2001, at 18:09:47
In reply to Re: Cutting... Did anyone see ER?, posted by akc on November 9, 2001, at 9:20:54
I love that show but got triggered by that episode. I've probably seriously cut a dozen times that required ER treatment and perhaps 20% of those times was treated well- after insisting they call my pdoc. I have been in that fetal position at the receiving end of a major tranq more times then I care to think about. 3 out of 4- consider yourself fortunate. Take care- judy
Posted by Noa on November 13, 2001, at 18:03:05
In reply to Re: Cutting... is NOT rare., posted by Dinah on November 10, 2001, at 10:34:19
Not rare, but maybe so well hidden that it seems rare?
Posted by judy1 on November 13, 2001, at 19:17:34
In reply to Re: Cutting... is NOT rare., posted by Noa on November 13, 2001, at 18:03:05
I think you are absolutely correct; it's probably the one act I'm most ashamed of- even to the point of first posting about it here anonymously (over a year ago?) Take care- judy
Posted by galtin on November 13, 2001, at 22:58:51
In reply to Re: Pdoc apptointment » galtin, posted by kiddo on November 10, 2001, at 19:13:56
> > Kiddo,
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> > Thanks for the update. I am glad that you decided to go.
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> > I am curious about what your pdoc said. When we are empathetic, aren't we identifying with, even to some degree experiencing, the feelings of another person. So when this person's feelings are sad, don't we feel sad as well? How often do we say that we are empathizing with somebody who is happy? Anyway, was your doctor suggesting that your sadness was the RESULT of your empathy?
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> > Just curious,
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> > galtin
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> Galtin-
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> You're welcome, I'm glad I went as well, it turned out to be a really good one. You know what empathy is, as I'm sure most people on this board do as well.
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> Until this past Wednesday, I had never had an experience like it before. There were times when I thought I was, but, it was more like an "I know what you mean" without the feelings/emotions to go with it. Words without meaning. I couldn't put it into words that day either, and told him so, that's when he said what he did about my not being sad, but empathetic to them and their needs.
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> What he meant was that I wasn't personally sad-the only time I'd ever cried before. I've only cried in one movie-ever, and I was alone then.
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> I hope have a better understanding of what I'm trying to convey-and if you do (or anyone for that matter) please let ME know!
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> KiddoKiddo,
I understand, now. I often "feel badly" for other people who suffer misfortune but in truth there is little feeling to it. It is closer to a detached intellectual agreement that certain experiences are painful and harmful to other people. I have also experienced empathy as you have described it, but far less often.
BTW, how did this exchange get into the middle of the discussion on cutting?
galtin
Posted by kiddo on November 13, 2001, at 23:10:33
In reply to Re: Pdoc apptointment, posted by galtin on November 13, 2001, at 22:58:51
I can't remember how this got started, but I'm ticked off and hurt where he's concerned right now. I feel like just quitting all together.
Kiddo
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> Kiddo,
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> I understand, now. I often "feel badly" for other people who suffer misfortune but in truth there is little feeling to it. It is closer to a detached intellectual agreement that certain experiences are painful and harmful to other people. I have also experienced empathy as you have described it, but far less often.
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> BTW, how did this exchange get into the middle of the discussion on cutting?
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> galtin
Not sure how this started. I'm just really ticked off/hurt right now where he's concerned. I just feel like giving up on therapy period.
Posted by wendy b. on November 14, 2001, at 0:32:48
In reply to Re: Cutting... is NOT rare., posted by Dinah on November 10, 2001, at 10:34:19
> > I agree, and remember, I'm looking at it as someone who does not cut, so my view is skewed...
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> > Wendy
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> I can see from what akc wrote that I did miss some important parts of the portrayal.
Although I admit, it doesn't quite do the subject justice. Maybe we will see the cutter character again. The nuanced episodes of ER during its earlier years might have portrayed cutting better. This show portrayed the cutting woman by using the usual media stereotypes. The story was that the patient was going to medical school at the same time as law school, and her parents would only pay for law school; she had to put herself through medical school because it was her true passion. or vice-versa. Anyway, they showed her as Insane with a capital I: 'This woman is out-of-control,' the usual haldol injection, the painfully wailing patient.I think the difficulty is in identification: do we identify more with the Dr Carter character? or with the patient who just has to wait for a psych consult? It's clear she will be helped the best way the hospital can, and with some compassion (after all, it's ER!) And cute doctors! who are single!
> I smiled when you wrote that your view is skewed. I'm aware that it's my view that is considered to be a bit unusual.
You know what I mean: if I had to go through being committed at a hospital, I don't know how I would handle it. I am sure it is life-changing. I have a friend in Group therapy who is 21 yrs old, she has been hospitalized 25 times, mostly for bad cuttting. We went running last week, I saw the skin on her arms, both her upper arms and lower arms had wide and long scars, she said she will have plastic surgery for them some day, if she can. It looks scary to me, I can't comprehend how this beautiful girl (I'm 41, sorry) could have done this to herself.
> Mind you I am the most careful cutter in the world. I use cuticle scissors, which would be incapable of cutting very deep. I always use alchohol to clean the skin and scissors first. I always use antibiotic ointment after to reduce scars. So I guess I tend to underplay the problem a bit too much because I feel like it's under control.
Yes, sounds like you deal with it in a 'clinical' way, slightly obsessive. Do you work in a medical environment? I think you're right: it's all about control. If you can control your environment, that's rare. Most of the time our environments control US. Do you feel that the 'clinical' setting and the particular way you do the cutting, helps you, because you are in control of *at least* that? Sorry if I'm paraphrasing poorly -
>Right now I'm not cutting much at all, largely due to my positive attachment to my therapist. He doesn't make me sign contracts or anything, but I know he would rather that I not do itIs that a usual practice for therapists to use 'contracts'? It seems pretty patronizing, doesn't it? I'm glad you don't have to do that. Truely, the middle schools where I teach use that technique with children. There has to be a better way to get the cutter to stop.
>Maybe one day I'll quit doing it for myself, but it really doesn't seem that important. One step at a time.Dinah, you seem very wonderful and strong, you will get better over time, I'm sure. Thank you for talking to me about how you feel. I know from personal experience, it's really hard to talk about some very wounded parts of ourselves. It's good that you have established a bond with the therapist.
Goodbye for now - hope you stay well. Keep updating...
Wendy
Posted by Dinah on November 14, 2001, at 1:12:33
In reply to Re: Pdoc apptointment » galtin, posted by kiddo on November 13, 2001, at 23:10:33
> I can't remember how this got started, but I'm ticked off and hurt where he's concerned right now. I feel like just quitting all together.
>
> KiddoSorry to hear that Kiddo. I thought the implication was that it was a good session. What happened to change that, if you don't mind my asking?
Dinah
Posted by Pamela Lynn on November 14, 2001, at 14:42:49
In reply to Cutting... Can anyone identify? What does it mean?, posted by kid_A on November 8, 2001, at 9:07:59
Have you ever heard of "Borderline Personality Disorder"? I have this disorder and 'self mutilation/head banging' is a very prominent diagnoses of it.................
P.L.
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> I've been cutting myself since I was young, its certainly tapered off a great deal, but I had another recent episode where I did some fairly deep cuts in my right arm... A considerable feat to say the least since I'm right handed...
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> I don't equate this to suicide ideation, but in the times when I've done it, it has been the only thing that snaps me out of whatever trauma I had been experiencing... I'm certainly not 'happy' afterwards, but for some reason I'm distracted enough to distance myself from the mental anguish I was feeling...
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> I just wanted to know if anyone else has personal or relative experience with this? Why do you do it? As my doctor asked me, how does it make you feel afterwards? I'm wondering what makes someone do this as apposed to not doing it. I've read about children who do this sort of thing as a schizm when they are very young, but I dont think that relates... For me it has always followed a major anxiety attack and also seems to quell that anxiety at least for the moment...
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> Any insights are greatly appreciated...
Posted by kiddo on November 14, 2001, at 18:00:17
In reply to Re: Pdoc apptointment » kiddo, posted by Dinah on November 14, 2001, at 1:12:33
> > I can't remember how this got started, but I'm ticked off and hurt where he's concerned right now. I feel like just quitting all together.
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> > Kiddo
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> Sorry to hear that Kiddo. I thought the implication was that it was a good session. What happened to change that, if you don't mind my asking?
> Dinah
It was a great session last week, and it was a big miscommunication/misunderstanding on both of our parts. I'm going through some really wild cycles right now: sad, anger, elation, you name it...and lately (the past few days) it's been rapid cycling.We talked about it today, and he upped my meds (thanks Mouse for 'banging my head':-)
Kiddo
Posted by kiddo on November 14, 2001, at 18:02:30
In reply to Re: Cutting... Can anyone identify? What does it mean?, posted by Pamela Lynn on November 14, 2001, at 14:42:49
> Have you ever heard of "Borderline Personality Disorder"? I have this disorder and 'self mutilation/head banging' is a very prominent diagnoses of it.................
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> P.L.Yes, I've been diagnosed with it as well as others on the board, I'm sure. How can we help? Maybe we should start a new thread?
Kiddo
Posted by Pamela Lynn on November 14, 2001, at 20:55:37
In reply to Borderline » Pamela Lynn, posted by kiddo on November 14, 2001, at 18:02:30
Well...I am in therapy for it...because I don't like 'group settings' I had to get a therapist that would take me one on one. Now, if ya know about BPD you know that ALOT of therapists don't want to take on a 'Borderline', because of the intensity that taking one on can bring into their sessions, etc. My Psychiatrist actually referred me to my therapist, a very competent and caring man who deals especially with BPD...Again, I was very fortunate to find someone in the field that truly knows what he is doing, and cares about it. My therapy consists of 'cognitive thinking behavior therapy'...It has been VERY, VERY rough at times (as is all therapy, I know), but since I have gone on the Effexor along with my other meds. I seem to be more able to 'deal' with the therapy and my homework associated with it. I use a workbook and try to apply the techniques for 'dealing' that I have learned from my therapist. I also am a Bi-Polar gal...rapid cycler, the Effexor, too, has helped with my rapid cycling, by the way.
I'm sorry, I am new to this site and probably should not have mentioned the Effexor here...but I didn't get to indept on it, so I thought it would be ok to leave it in...
I want to thank you Kiddo for your concern, that is so nice to hear! If there are other BPD'ers out there, yes, maybe we should start a new thread.
Thank you again for your kind and caring words.
P.L.
> > Have you ever heard of "Borderline Personality Disorder"? I have this disorder and 'self mutilation/head banging' is a very prominent diagnoses of it.................
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> > P.L.
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> Yes, I've been diagnosed with it as well as others on the board, I'm sure. How can we help? Maybe we should start a new thread?
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> Kiddo
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