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Posted by sar on September 11, 2001, at 23:54:54
In reply to Re: Bit more news...Elizabeth, Adam, posted by shelliR on September 11, 2001, at 22:23:50
as soon as i woke up this morning, my brother said to me, "the world trade center was crashed into by an airplane 5 minutes ago." i was so tired and concerned with waking up to go to an arraignment that it flew right through me.
but watching the news all day and reading thse posts have brought me nearly to tears.
my thoughts + prayers are with all in the NY/DC-affected areas...so many gone...i can't believe it...i've never seen this sort of thing...
my mom's thighs are burn-scarred since youth from a schoolyard fire and it brings pains to my stomach to think of all the people burned "head-to-toe," as they said on the news...those burn-scars are very very ingrained in my memory...
i know nothing of politics and am not religious, but i'm a crying vengeful fair pacifist...my uncle walked across the brooklyn bridge to pick his son up from school...my gramma's gonna take a train to NYC to donate blood (she thinks her town is too "corrupt" to tranfer the blood over there!)...
alll of you all of you religious or not, let's pray to anyone God the gods the godesses the angels whathaveyou....i'm going to devour the newspaper tomorrow...i don't know what i think of war, except that it strikes a chord in my tum 'cos i'm 23 and a bunch of my friends have just joined the military...i'm sick of drug overdoses...now war???
angry and sad.sar
Posted by Elizabeth on September 12, 2001, at 4:11:11
In reply to Bit more news..., posted by Adam on September 11, 2001, at 19:22:48
> I am happy to say there have been no reports from the circle that I (really my g.f., she's the NY connection) know of anyone getting hurt, or knowing anyone who was.
Hey, if you happen to be in NY visiting her, I'd like to get together. (We never did manage to do this while I was still in Boston!)
> That's amazing to me. I still can't get any word on the guy who was close and saw one of the towers collapse. I guess he made it to a friend's place OK. I can only speculate he's trying to decompress and doesn't want to talk to anyone.
Another possibility is that the phone lines are still down?
> As for DC, from what I have been told (and I can't vouch for the quality of the info, since I'm getting it third hand at best) there may not have been that many deaths at the Pentagon (excepting the people in the plane, of course).
Oh yeah, compared to the WTC, there were hardly any people in the Pentagon.
-e
Posted by Elizabeth on September 12, 2001, at 4:23:12
In reply to Re: Bit more news...Elizabeth, Adam, posted by shelliR on September 11, 2001, at 22:23:50
> I'm glad you both were able to hear from your family, friends, etc. and that, at least on that front, all is well.
Still haven't heard from my cousins and uncle (DC), although my mother was trying to get in touch with them.
> I don't turn on radio, tv, anything noice of any sort in the morning, and caught the news on the way into D.C. to meet with my therapist. not anywhere near Capitol Hill.
I slept very soundly (thanks to Moban) and didn't hear it when the phone rang like 4 times in the morning. When I woke up, I checked the phone messages, and they were both from a friend of ours asking if I'd heard anything from my SO. I had no idea what she was talking about, so I called her and that's when I found out. I don't usually watch or listen to news.
> I witnessed the site of afternoon rush hour at about 10:00 am., and parents going to schools to pick children up (although the schools did not officially close because they didn't want to send some kids home to empty houses). Montgomery County Schools (where I imagine you attended, Elizabeth and where you worked, Adam), were closed two hours early.
Yup, I went to public school in Montgomery County through 2nd grade. (The schools in NC were comparatively bad, and they bumped me up to 4th grade after a month or so.)
People in Jersey (including my BF's ex-wife) were taking their kids out of school too. Chrissie says that classes at NYU are probably going to be cancelled as well. I'm not sure about here. It turns out that NJT is running, and my BF made it home safely from Metro Park station (he's snoozing soundly now; I'm still too wired to sleep).
> I did not get the feeling of chaos from being in Washington; much different scene than New York. I think the crash was not as damaging and the pentagon is away from the inner city.
That's true. The WTC was an incredibly crowded building in the middle of Manhattan, with other buildings surrounding it on all sides.
> Capitol Hill did close, because of course no one knew what might happen next.
I heard a rumor that the mall was destroyed. True? I spent a lot of time in that area as a child. Hard to believe that it might just be gone.
> No car bombing as far I I know. Mostly people felt and looked very sad, I think.
Yeah, I'm now hearing that the car bombing thing was probably just a rumor. (Being in Manhattan, Chrissie is probably hearing all sorts of wild rumors.)
I had guessed that the death toll might be as much as 100,000. It seems that it was more like 20,000, though. Anyone know? The footage I'm seeing on CNN looks like the people coming out of Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- covered with soot and burns, some carrying the wounded, etc.
-elizabeth
Posted by sweetmarie on September 12, 2001, at 5:59:33
In reply to I'm terribly saddened., posted by akc on September 11, 2001, at 9:25:25
> I know we have been lucky in the U.S., but this is terrible. Terrorists attacks, wherever they occur, always sadden me. But to fly airplanes into buildings holding 40,000 people -- and causing one to collapse (I'm sure a goal of the terrorist) -- I'm sure the terrorists of the world will salute this act. I've always felt another's pain pretty deeply. I need to make sure this does not trigger me -- my t is going out of town, I'm having surgery, but this is awful -- I'll never understand why anyone thinks death brings answers. I'm terrible saddened, terribly saddened.
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> akcDear akc (and everyone else who has responded),
This is awful. It`s completely beyond my comprehension. I live in the UK, and watched everything as it happened yesterday ... I agree with Tony Blair - these bastards have absolute indifference to the sanctity of life. God alone knows how people involved are coping. I am not religious (don`t even `believe`), but I will be praying.
My depression has taken a complete nose-dive - it was rocky already, but this has tipped me over. We ALL need to know that it`s O.K. to feel deeply about what has happened, and those of us who are suffering from depression will be really feeling it badly. It`s grief, and a totally natural feeling.
To all of you who have friends, relatives and neighbours involved, and those who are still waiting to hear - you are all in my thoughts.
Anna.
Posted by Krazy Kat on September 12, 2001, at 10:32:35
In reply to Re: I'm terribly saddened - a UK response, posted by sweetmarie on September 12, 2001, at 5:59:33
That was a great response...
Posted by Adam on September 12, 2001, at 13:30:25
In reply to Bit more news..., posted by Adam on September 11, 2001, at 19:22:48
It would appear that a vice-president of my company was on Flight 77. Pretty somber news. I didn't know her at all, but many of the higher-ups did. Two degrees (of separation, that is). Very sad.
Posted by tina on September 12, 2001, at 13:44:19
In reply to Even more news... » Adam, posted by Adam on September 12, 2001, at 13:30:25
> It would appear that a vice-president of my company was on Flight 77. Pretty somber news. I didn't know her at all, but many of the higher-ups did. Two degrees (of separation, that is). Very sad.
Thats awful Adam, I'm so sorry. Unfortunately, I think there will be more revelations like this in the days/weeks to come.
Posted by shelliR on September 12, 2001, at 13:53:35
In reply to Re: Bit more news » shelliR, posted by Elizabeth on September 12, 2001, at 4:23:12
> I heard a rumor that the mall was destroyed. True? I spent a lot of time in that area as a child. Hard to believe that it might just be gone.
>
No, totally false; nothing was destroyed within Washington. The pentagon, of course, is in Northern Virginia.Shelli
Posted by KB on September 12, 2001, at 14:16:16
In reply to The Character of NY » Adam, posted by Krazy Kat on September 11, 2001, at 16:09:28
I just traveled from my home in Brooklyn into Manhattan, and the whole spirit of the City is different - barely any traffic and lots of people walking and riding bikes - reminds me of when I visited Amsterdam. It's also really weird looking at the big gap in the skyline. I live about 7 miles from the explosion but at 6am the smoke blew into my neighborhood and I was awakened by the most horrible smell - between that and the sonic roar of fighter planes going over my house from nearby Fort Hamilton and the church bells ringing non-stop everything just seems very weird.
Posted by shelliR on September 12, 2001, at 14:49:16
In reply to Re: I'm terribly saddened - a UK response, posted by sweetmarie on September 12, 2001, at 5:59:33
> This is awful. It`s completely beyond my comprehension. ......
> My depression has taken a complete nose-dive - it was rocky already, but this has tipped me over. We ALL need to know that it`s O.K. to feel deeply about what has happened, and those of us who are suffering from depression will be really feeling it badly. It`s grief, and a totally natural feeling.Anna, I am so glad that you wrote what you did. I have also plummeted from depression into deep suicidal depression since yesterday. I saw my pdoc today and we talked about possible hospitalization. It never occurred to me how my depression was affected by yesterday's tragedy until I came home and read some of the posts and felt sickened by the debates and analysis. I am way too entrenched in grief to not be offended by purely analytical thinking and any mention of justification by the Palestinians, even if politically I have been in partial agreement with those views.
Then I went back and reread your post and realized that of course, this is why I have been so severely depressed since yesterday afternoon. It was an out-of my-direct life-crisis that toppled right on top of my depression. Your post gave me amazing perspective and it seems strange that my pdoc did not at all ask if my sudden plunge was at all related to our national disaster. In not understanding my depression, I was also dumping on myself for it's self-centeredness.
Anyway, thanks so much; your post, I think, will make my sudden dive less scarey to me.
Shelli
Posted by sweetmarie on September 12, 2001, at 17:18:06
In reply to Re: I'm terribly saddened - a UK response » sweetmarie, posted by shelliR on September 12, 2001, at 14:49:16
> Anna, I am so glad that you wrote what you did. I have also plummeted from depression into deep suicidal depression since yesterday. I saw my pdoc today and we talked about possible hospitalization. It never occurred to me how my depression was affected by yesterday's tragedy until I came home and read some of the posts and felt sickened by the debates and analysis. I am way too entrenched in grief to not be offended by purely analytical thinking and any mention of justification by the Palestinians, even if politically I have been in partial agreement with those views.
>
> Then I went back and reread your post and realized that of course, this is why I have been so severely depressed since yesterday afternoon. It was an out-of my-direct life-crisis that toppled right on top of my depression. Your post gave me amazing perspective and it seems strange that my pdoc did not at all ask if my sudden plunge was at all related to our national disaster. In not understanding my depression, I was also dumping on myself for it's self-centeredness.
>
> Anyway, thanks so much; your post, I think, will make my sudden dive less scarey to me.
> ShelliShelli
I`m glad that my post helped. It was a horrific attack, and raises all kinds of issues - not least the capacity of some to cause such suffering. It shakes our whole view of humankind. However, whilst there is great evil in the world, there is also great good. It is worth remembering this at this time.
Having said all that, I still feel awful - worse than for a long time. Grief passes, though. We will all get through this.
Love,
Anna.
Posted by sweetmarie on September 13, 2001, at 4:16:49
In reply to Re: I'm terribly saddened - a UK response » shelliR, posted by sweetmarie on September 12, 2001, at 17:18:06
As I`m alone (my whole family is out of the country), I don`t have anyone to talk to just now, which makes this even harder to cope with.
Any of you feel like dropping me a line or two? I`d be very grateful
Anna.
Posted by Jane D on September 13, 2001, at 8:54:00
In reply to Re: a UK response - help needed, posted by sweetmarie on September 13, 2001, at 4:16:49
Anna -
Why don't you try logging in to Psycho Babble Open. It's most busy in the Evenings (US time) which is rather late for you but people have also been dropping in during the day. As you can imagine this is the big topic right now.If you need help getting signed up there are several posts on the Admin board addressing problems other people have had.
I'll look for you there.
Jane
Posted by Krazy Kat on September 13, 2001, at 9:30:40
In reply to Re: a UK response - help needed » sweetmarie, posted by Jane D on September 13, 2001, at 8:54:00
> I'll try to stop by this afternoon - so NY time, maybe @3:00?
I feel like talking to, which is odd. :)
Posted by sweetmarie on September 13, 2001, at 12:32:20
In reply to psycho babble open..., posted by Krazy Kat on September 13, 2001, at 9:30:40
> > I'll try to stop by this afternoon - so NY time, maybe @3:00?
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> I feel like talking to, which is odd. :)Hi
I`ll try and be there. Thanks,
Anna.
Posted by Zo on September 13, 2001, at 18:06:18
In reply to -- First Poem for the Dead --, posted by kid_A on September 11, 2001, at 11:28:59
Posted by shelliR on September 13, 2001, at 23:03:11
In reply to Re: psycho babble open... » Krazy Kat , posted by sweetmarie on September 13, 2001, at 12:32:20
> > > I'll try to stop by this afternoon - so NY time, maybe @3:00?
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> > I feel like talking to, which is odd. :)
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> Hi
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> I`ll try and be there. Thanks,
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> Anna.
Anna, could you create a temp e-mail address (like at Yahoo, or hotmail, or whatever they have in the UK) and post it. Not your regular e-mail address. Then I can send you distractions now and then, like pictures that I don't have the capasity to share on the board? If this feels intrusive, I understand; I thought it might be fun. Let me know.Shelli
Posted by sweetmarie on September 14, 2001, at 4:53:24
In reply to Re: psycho babble open..., posted by shelliR on September 13, 2001, at 23:03:11
> > > > I'll try to stop by this afternoon - so NY time, maybe @3:00?
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> > > I feel like talking to, which is odd. :)
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> > Hi
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> > I`ll try and be there. Thanks,
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> > Anna.
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> Anna, could you create a temp e-mail address (like at Yahoo, or hotmail, or whatever they have in the UK) and post it. Not your regular e-mail address. Then I can send you distractions now and then, like pictures that I don't have the capasity to share on the board? If this feels intrusive, I understand; I thought it might be fun. Let me know.
>
> Shelli
ShelliI tried to get onto psycho babble open, but couldn`t. Actually, I had taken a sleeping tablet, so I can`t exactly remember why I couldn`t get in (a bit embarrassing ... ). I have a feeling that it had to do with setting up some kind of account ? Anyway, I`ll try again.
Re. another email address. I`ve been meaning to set up another one for awhile now, and your suggestion has prompted me to do so. It`s really kind of you to think of me - I totally appreciate it. I`ll get onto that today and let you know what it is. Maybe I can send you stuff too ... It`s not `intrusive` at all - it`s a really nice thought. I`ll let you know.
How are you feeling now?
I`ve woken up feeling really grotty and frightened that I`ve relapsed. Not that I`d got very far, anyway ... Keep trying to tell myself that there are reasons for feeling this bad (and there are many), but logic doesn`t come easy really (as I`m sure you know).
I keep thinking that my meds should be taking up more of the slack than they are. But, they were only just begining to `work`, when all this happened (coming out of hospital and back to living alone and no `after-care`, my best friend`s o/dose and subsequent rejection of me, my parents going away for 2 weeks, having to `manage` two households - my flat and my parents` house - , and now this latest horror). I guess that even the best meds can`t battle against all those odds. Or, this is what I keep telling myself.
Anyway, I`m sure you have heard enough of my moaning. Thanks for your offer - I`ll let you know when I`ve sorted it.
Love,
Anna.
Posted by sweetmarie on September 14, 2001, at 11:24:08
In reply to Re: psycho babble open... » shelliR, posted by sweetmarie on September 14, 2001, at 4:53:24
I now have a new email address -I`ve been wondering how you are ... let me know.
I seem to be on the slippery slope downwards, but I`m TRYING not to be too alarmed.
Love,
Anna.
Posted by Noa on September 14, 2001, at 17:15:21
In reply to Empathy and Depression, posted by Krazy Kat on September 11, 2001, at 11:14:55
I am reading this site for the first time in a long while. I am sorry, Krazy Kat, for your losses. It is overwhelming. I hope there are people nearby to connect to during this horrible time.
Posted by Noa on September 14, 2001, at 17:16:55
In reply to Re: I'm terribly saddened., posted by Elizabeth on September 11, 2001, at 11:33:39
E-
Have you heard anything yet?
Posted by tina on September 14, 2001, at 19:49:02
In reply to Re: I'm terribly saddened. » Elizabeth, posted by Noa on September 14, 2001, at 17:16:55
We miss you at ASH.....
T
Posted by shelliR on September 14, 2001, at 20:39:21
In reply to Re: psycho babble open... - ShelliR, posted by sweetmarie on September 14, 2001, at 11:24:08
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> I now have a new email address -
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> photojennyuk@yahoo.com
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> I`ve been wondering how you are ... let me know.
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> I seem to be on the slippery slope downwards, but I`m TRYING not to be too alarmed.
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> Love,
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> Anna.Hi Anna
I am actually still having a really hard time. Instead of going into the hospital, I am trying for this weekend not to make myself work, and not to feel guilty. I have not found going into the hospital much comfort the last two times I went in, so if I can get through this at home, it will be better.
Just came back Sunday from a beautiful vacation, mostly all positive, then Tuesday afternoon I crashed so it must be related to our national crisis, although it is not linked in my mind. I don't know why I have felt so suicidal this week. I can understand being upset, but suicidal seems strange., and absolutely nonconstructive. I'm hoping this feeling will pass. Meanwhile, I have started my old MAOI (nardil) with wellbutrin. I've done wellbutrin for a few weeks now, with no antidepressant effects, but it has energized me. Hopefully restarting nardil after being off it for so long will help. You are on remeron, right? Have you experienced weight gain? I possibly might try that if the nardil doesn't work for me; my pdoc thinks wellbutrin with remeron might be a good combo and that wellbutrin would balance out a weight gain. I think I'd like to change from opiates from oxycontin to buprenorphine because the oxy is losing effect for me. So there are still a lot of things to try; I'm just scared about letting people down workwise and messing up my business.
This weekend I'll try to spend some time in my garden; It is cool enough to move plants around a bit and I'll try to catch some sales at plant shops if I'm not too late. Tonight I went to a candle-lighting vigil in my neighborhood and although I am strangely patriotic for an ex-hippy child of the 70s, it seems very strange/inappropriate to me to be singing nationalistic songs now. Actually, I was more afraid my neighbors would be singing hymns and I am not at all religious, so I would have found that more offensive. Of the three families that sponsored it, I am friendly with two, so I felt some obligation to go (although not an overwhelming one). And they had cake :-) which I don't allow myself in my house.
Take care,
Shelli
Posted by sweetmarie on September 15, 2001, at 4:12:39
In reply to Re: psycho babble open... - ShelliR » sweetmarie, posted by shelliR on September 14, 2001, at 20:39:21
> Hi Anna
>
> I am actually still having a really hard time. Instead of going into the hospital, I am trying for this weekend not to make myself work, and not to feel guilty. I have not found going into the hospital much comfort the last two times I went in, so if I can get through this at home, it will be better.
>
> Just came back Sunday from a beautiful vacation, mostly all positive, then Tuesday afternoon I crashed so it must be related to our national crisis, although it is not linked in my mind. I don't know why I have felt so suicidal this week. I can understand being upset, but suicidal seems strange., and absolutely nonconstructive. I'm hoping this feeling will pass. Meanwhile, I have started my old MAOI (nardil) with wellbutrin. I've done wellbutrin for a few weeks now, with no antidepressant effects, but it has energized me. Hopefully restarting nardil after being off it for so long will help. You are on remeron, right? Have you experienced weight gain? I possibly might try that if the nardil doesn't work for me; my pdoc thinks wellbutrin with remeron might be a good combo and that wellbutrin would balance out a weight gain. I think I'd like to change from opiates from oxycontin to buprenorphine because the oxy is losing effect for me. So there are still a lot of things to try; I'm just scared about letting people down workwise and messing up my business.
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> This weekend I'll try to spend some time in my garden; It is cool enough to move plants around a bit and I'll try to catch some sales at plant shops if I'm not too late. Tonight I went to a candle-lighting vigil in my neighborhood and although I am strangely patriotic for an ex-hippy child of the 70s, it seems very strange/inappropriate to me to be singing nationalistic songs now. Actually, I was more afraid my neighbors would be singing hymns and I am not at all religious, so I would have found that more offensive. Of the three families that sponsored it, I am friendly with two, so I felt some obligation to go (although not an overwhelming one). And they had cake :-) which I don't allow myself in my house.
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> Take care,
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> Shelli
Hi againGood to hear from you, but sorry to hear you are having a hard time.
I think that this whole thing (the attacks) raises so many issues, that it`s not hard to see why people will be deeply affected, even if they are not conciously thinking about it.
Obviously (and mainly) there`s the horror of the enormity of the destruction, and the sorrow for those directly involved (those killed/injured, their friends, family etc. Also, those still waiting to hear, those who were in the cities at the time etc.). This alone is really hard to deal with, as it brings up all kinds of feelings - guilt, helplessness, pain at having witnessed death (which we did when we saw the planes hit the Trade buildings, and then when we saw the buildings collapse). I don`t think that any of us has ever witnessed death on such a scale, and even if you were not actually thinking `God, all these people are dying`, you `knew` somewhere in your subconcious. So, that alone is `enough`.
But then there`s the other stuff. We have been confronted by the fact that human beings are actually capable of such terrible things. When bad things happen on a smaller scale (murders, violence, rapes etc. - or if you live over here, the terrorist attacks carried out by the Provisional IRA), we are shaken and shocked, and wonder at the mindsets of those perpetrating the acts. But this ??? It`s just too big to comprehend. What does it say about people? What does it say to us about hatred? It`s very alarming just how far some people (the minority)will go, and what little regard these people have for human life. That in itself is very distressing.
Then there`s the question of `what next?`. What kind of precedent has been set by this? Will there be more attacks? More lives lost? There is a lot of fear and uncertainty going on as a result of this, and fear and uncertainty is a recipe for depression even in the `healthiest` of people.
There will be a response to this in terms of retaliation of some kind. Whilst this is totally necessary, it will mean further violence and more lives lost. `Revenge` is needed, but it is not a prospect that I am looking forward to. And where will it lead? Mr Bush is talking about war (quite rightly), but who wants war? It`s a scary and unpleasant prospect, whether necessary or not. I grew up during the 70s and 80s, when nuclear war was the big `bogie`. People of my age group still talk about their fear during this time (the Cold War, arms stockpiling, cruise missiles, Pershing etc.). I used to have nightmares about it on a regular basis, and we all knew that another `world war` would involve nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are serious shit, and I think that most of us thought we`d `laid the spectre`. This is now a real possibility again. Another horrible thought.
Then there`s the other backlash - hatred and hostility towards those of the Islam religion, people from the Middle East etc. These events have brought out really violent hatred of these people. Racism has reared it`s ugly head; I think that SOME people see the people of this religion/people from the Middle East as figures of hate. It`s already happening in this country. The attacks were carried out by a fanatical fundamentalist terrorist organisation - NOT `people from the Middle East/Muslims in general`. But these people - by association - will suffer. I was talking to my sister last night - she`s in West Virginia - and she told me that a couple of Muslims had been shot in the next town to her since the attacks. It`s awful.
And, as you said, there will inevitably be a lot of patriotism and nationalistic feeling going on. I am NOT saying that this is a bad thing, but it is if it`s taken to the extreme. Like you, I feel distinctly uneasy at flag-waving, and anthem singing. Again, I am NOT saying that this is bad - what I am saying is that it does make some of us feel very uneasy. Over here we still have an amount of `Brittania rules the waves`, which surfaces at times when we are threatened (e.g. the Falklands War). I dunno ... maybe I should be more patriotic than I am, but to me it`s always tinged with racial pride, which I can`t deal with very well. I suppose that it brings certain racist factions to the surface, which is not very savoury at all.
I seem to have written an essay ... I just wanted to outline what I thought the implications of this might be. Anyone reading this who thinks that I am dismissing the severity of the situation, or dismissing US patriotism - I am not. At all. I`m just worried about some sections of any community who take this kind of thing too far.
I hope that I haven`t offended anyone - I haven`t meant to. This is a horrible time, and punishment MUST be carried out. All I`m saying is that there is plenty for us to be distressed about, and we need to know that it`s allright to feel awful. A non-depressed person`s depression and shock over these events, is a depressed person`s despair and panic. This isn`t to undermine anyone`s feelings - just being realistic about how it could effect those of us already battling depression. Those of us badly effected could so easily feel that we have `relapsed`, but we haven`t. We are reacting to the situation, as everyone is.
I`m really scared that I have offended loads of people. I`m not a horrible person, and my thoughts are constantly with the people of America. I can`t imagine how it must feel, and can only guess at the kind of despair you all are feeling. It`s hit me very hard (for the reasons I have outlined above), so goodness knows how it feels to be living in a country that has been targeted in such a way.
Once again, my thoughts are with you all. Wish I could do more.
Shelli - don`t be panicked. It`ll take us all awhile to get over this. You aren`t going mad, or spiralling into another hideous episode - just feeling shitty about what`s happened. You may not even be thinking about stuff, but it`s `there` like a big black cloud, filled with pain and fear. I have to keep reminding myself that it`s not a relapse, and mostly I don`t believe it, but is`s not. Time will ease this pain. And even the most effective meds can`t shield you from tragic events. Meds bring us up to the `level`, and therefore knocks of this kind will depress us, scare us (that we are so depressed again), and worsen the depression. Does this make sense? My meds were *beginning* to have some effect, but now ... however, this doesn`t mean that they weren`t working at all, and it doesn`t mean that they will not continue to work. Recovery is a `fluid` thing - it doesn`t happen all at once (sadly), and there will be many pitfalls. Don`t give up though - you are still climbing, and these events will strengthen you in the end (although it sure doesn`t feel like that right now).
Join me in `hanging in`,
Anna.p.s. Remeron can be an appetite stimulant. It hasn`t made me any hungrier, though, and I`ve even managed to lose a stone and a half whilst I`ve been on it - I put on 4 stone when I was on Nardil. So, I`ve still got 2 and a half stone to go. Side-effects don`t happen to everyone, and the good thing about meds that don`t actually put weight on just by taking them, i.e. appetite stimulants, is that you can control weight gain by will-power (easier said than done, but you know what I mean).
Posted by Elizabeth on September 15, 2001, at 13:39:41
In reply to Re: I'm terribly saddened. » Elizabeth, posted by Noa on September 14, 2001, at 17:16:55
> E-
> Have you heard anything yet?Hi Noa.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20010909/msgs/11129.html
(Big thread, isn't it?)
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