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Posted by AdaGrace on November 25, 2004, at 6:31:37
and Winners never Cheat, isn't that what they say.
Guess that makes me a loser. Big Time.
Posted by partlycloudy on November 25, 2004, at 9:33:34
In reply to Cheaters Never Win, posted by AdaGrace on November 25, 2004, at 6:31:37
I used to call myself a loser all the time, AdaGrace. It doesn't fit us at all. How about Human? How about Doing The Best We Can? How about Trying to Keep on Going while Our Hearts have been Ripped Out? How about cutting yourself some slack?
No winners, no losers. Just members of the same messed up race.
Posted by AdaGrace on November 25, 2004, at 11:09:25
In reply to hey, hey, hey., posted by partlycloudy on November 25, 2004, at 9:33:34
Posted by sunny10 on November 25, 2004, at 11:16:49
In reply to Cheaters Never Win, posted by AdaGrace on November 25, 2004, at 6:31:37
AdaGrace, I'm very surprised.... I didn't realize that you were a robot, with a computer in your brain which completely spells out all of life in black and hite!!!
Ok, I'm being a brat- but, really, you are HUMAN. I'm not a particularly religious person, rather spiritual... all religions have something to teach us... Mostly they remind us that the only Perfect Being is He who created us... No matter what name you call him... And if you don't go for that, there's the evolution theory as well... meaning we are still evolving- couldn't possibly be perfect...
Give yourself a break, AG, is what I'm trying to say in my long-windedness !!!
Happy T-Day ! And, remember what it means, dear... I'm thankful I have you to talk to on PB !!!
Posted by partlycloudy on November 26, 2004, at 6:21:56
In reply to Re: how about we just pretend it's tomorrow (nm) » partlycloudy, posted by AdaGrace on November 25, 2004, at 11:09:25
Hope you're in one piece too.
Posted by AdaGrace on November 26, 2004, at 7:20:49
In reply to Made it to tomorrow, posted by partlycloudy on November 26, 2004, at 6:21:56
Posted by AdaGrace on November 26, 2004, at 7:22:06
In reply to Re: Cheaters Never Win, posted by sunny10 on November 25, 2004, at 11:16:49
Do we continue to forgive ourselves for our mistakes when we make them over and over and over again......?
At some point, don't we have to pay for our sins?
Posted by partlycloudy on November 27, 2004, at 7:47:02
In reply to Re: Cheaters Never Win » sunny10, posted by AdaGrace on November 26, 2004, at 7:22:06
I think we try to change ourselves: how we see ourselves, what we deserve out of life and relationships, what is not enough, and what we aren't willing to go through again. That is how we finally win. We don't allow ourselves to repeat our actions.
Posted by sunny10 on November 27, 2004, at 12:25:38
In reply to Re: Cheaters Never Win, posted by partlycloudy on November 27, 2004, at 7:47:02
Pay for our sins??? Don't you think all of the heartache to get over is punituve enough???!!!
Yeah, I've paid for my sins... in mental health, fiscal damage, what else??!! Oh, lost my son... what else??!!
I personally think I've paid enough for my part of the sins... It's the ones who screw us over who always get away scott free- they're the ones who will have to answer to their higher power... For refusing penitence; by having the ego to think that they are never in the wrong.
How's that?
Posted by AdaGrace on November 27, 2004, at 12:53:40
In reply to Re: Cheaters Never Win, posted by sunny10 on November 27, 2004, at 12:25:38
Wanna come over for a consolation party? It's called, "I am woman, hear me roar, cry, and drool" party
Posted by partlycloudy on November 27, 2004, at 14:07:28
In reply to Re: Cheaters Never Win, posted by sunny10 on November 27, 2004, at 12:25:38
> Pay for our sins??? Don't you think all of the heartache to get over is punituve enough???!!!
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> Yeah, I've paid for my sins... in mental health, fiscal damage, what else??!! Oh, lost my son... what else??!!
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> I personally think I've paid enough for my part of the sins... It's the ones who screw us over who always get away scott free- they're the ones who will have to answer to their higher power... For refusing penitence; by having the ego to think that they are never in the wrong.
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> How's that?That is pretty strong stuff. I have not had to endure the losses that you have - I do not presume to speak for your experiences.
All I know is for all the pain I have felt over the years, I have to LET IT GO before I can start to heal. I cannot say how I'd respond if "letting it go" entailed saying goodbye to a child.
Posted by just plain jane on November 27, 2004, at 20:06:54
In reply to Re: Cheaters Never Win, posted by partlycloudy on November 27, 2004, at 14:07:28
does not necessarily mean leaving it behind or forgetting it.
Everything that hurts leaves a scar; physical or psychological/emotional.
"Letting it go", to me, is when/where I finally grasp the fact that I cannot undo, change, or fix something that hurt and I let go of that hope.
It is only then that I slowly feel the pain receding, feel the wound healing over, learn to look at the scar and appreciate that I can and will retain some of that which it now only represents. That I will always feel and remember. Remember the goodness of the experience before the wound.
Sometimes I still cry over decades-old scars. I have let the incident go, accepted that things are now as they are, but will always hold in my heart/soul/psyche the intense feelings, the depth of the wound.
I am glad I can feel. Sometimes I think how awful it must be to be shallow, to be devoid of or lacking depth of feelings, no sympathy, no empathy, nothing.
But then I remember that people who are that way have no idea what they are missing, because they are that way and cannot grasp it, even should they be told.
just me
Posted by AdaGrace on November 28, 2004, at 9:04:57
In reply to Re: Cheaters Never Win, posted by AdaGrace on November 27, 2004, at 12:53:40
Did I post that?
Posted by sunny10 on November 29, 2004, at 13:42:32
In reply to Re: Cheaters Never Win, posted by AdaGrace on November 27, 2004, at 12:53:40
I'm more of a snot dribbler type of crier... is that okay at this party, too???
We'll give ourselves two hours to cry (we should be well out of tears by then); but then it's two hours of Twister or something else absurdly fun!!!
okay?
-sunny10
Posted by sunny10 on November 29, 2004, at 13:43:59
In reply to Letting it go, posted by just plain jane on November 27, 2004, at 20:06:54
Yes, the Serenity Prayer explains letting go perfectly, doesn't it???
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