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Posted by obsidian on October 3, 2008, at 23:08:22
I don't quite understand that
Posted by Nadezda on October 4, 2008, at 10:29:34
In reply to My therapist says I'm being self destructive...., posted by obsidian on October 3, 2008, at 23:08:22
What were you saying/discussing with him/her when s/he said that?
It could mean a lot of things, depending on the context.
Nadezda
Posted by Phillipa on October 4, 2008, at 10:57:36
In reply to Re: My therapist says I'm being self destructive...., posted by Nadezda on October 4, 2008, at 10:29:34
Yes I agree. What was going on? Phillipa
Posted by Poet on October 4, 2008, at 11:49:24
In reply to My therapist says I'm being self destructive...., posted by obsidian on October 3, 2008, at 23:08:22
Hi Sid,
What was happening in therapy? What were you talking about?
My T has said I'm self-destructive and it's always connected to something negative I've said or done: calling myself a complete and utter failure or drinking too much alcohol.
Poet
Posted by obsidian on October 4, 2008, at 16:22:33
In reply to Re: My therapist says I'm being self destructive.... » obsidian, posted by Poet on October 4, 2008, at 11:49:24
> Hi Sid,
>
> What was happening in therapy? What were you talking about?all the pot I'm smoking, and the negative feelings I have been having about myself, like that I should hurt myself somehow
>
> My T has said I'm self-destructive and it's always connected to something negative I've said or done: calling myself a complete and utter failure or drinking too much alcohol.Yeah, I'm kind of in the place where I really don't want anything to matter.
>
> Poet
Posted by obsidian on October 4, 2008, at 16:26:32
In reply to Re: My therapist says I'm being self destructive...., posted by Nadezda on October 4, 2008, at 10:29:34
I was talking about all the pot I've been smoking, and how about I haven't really wanted him or my pdoc to know about it....like it didn't really matter, maybe it doesn't matter, I feel alright for the most part
just sort of "out of it" though you know
Posted by JayMac on October 4, 2008, at 17:56:55
In reply to My therapist says I'm being self destructive...., posted by obsidian on October 3, 2008, at 23:08:22
Obsidian,
By no means, do you hae to, but would you mind exploring what it is about pot that you like? Is it the high? The escape? What is its meaning at this time in your life?I think it may be helpful to look at when you first started using and your emotional and environmental circumstances at the time.
Hugs, Jay.
Posted by Sigismund on October 4, 2008, at 18:11:28
In reply to Re: My therapist says I'm being self destructive.... » Nadezda, posted by obsidian on October 4, 2008, at 16:26:32
It is in the nature of people to smoke too much pot, drink too much and so on.
Wisdom is said to be the capacity to do things you don't like doing which make you feel better, and not do things you like doing which make you feel worse.
I've never been good at it.
Posted by obsidian on October 4, 2008, at 20:49:29
In reply to Re: My therapist says I'm being self destructive.... » obsidian, posted by JayMac on October 4, 2008, at 17:56:55
> Obsidian,
> By no means, do you hae to, but would you mind exploring what it is about pot that you like? Is it the high? The escape? What is its meaning at this time in your life?I felt raw when I started using it, and very uncomfortable in my skin. Right now I like the escape. The meaning at this time? I'm not sure what it was this time. I had opportunity and I was tired of fighting through the days.
It's my own little world and nothing matters when I am in it.
this sounds depressing, I don't feel depressed, I feel numb
>
> I think it may be helpful to look at when you first started using and your emotional and environmental circumstances at the time.
>
> Hugs, Jay.
Posted by obsidian on October 4, 2008, at 20:55:11
In reply to Re: My therapist says I'm being self destructive...., posted by Sigismund on October 4, 2008, at 18:11:28
> It is in the nature of people to smoke too much pot, drink too much and so on.
>
> Wisdom is said to be the capacity to do things you don't like doing which make you feel better, and not do things you like doing which make you feel worse.that's probably very true
I can't tell which is which though
>
> I've never been good at it.yeah, but you do alright don't you think?
Posted by Sigismund on October 4, 2008, at 21:26:05
In reply to Re: My therapist says I'm being self destructive.... » Sigismund, posted by obsidian on October 4, 2008, at 20:55:11
>yeah, but you do alright don't you think?
I heard about a singer in a band (Queens of the Stone Age?) who drank a bottle of whiskey *during* an interview.
I don't do that but far too often I drink too much.
My nutritional doctor forbids me wine or beer, which suits me fine, but I feel I have not followed the spirit of his recommendations.
Early in the morning I am full of determination to drink with great moderation, but by 5pm it's a different story.
Posted by lemonaide on October 5, 2008, at 11:41:43
In reply to Re: My therapist says I'm being self destructive.... » obsidian, posted by Sigismund on October 4, 2008, at 21:26:05
The thing is, it isn't you talking, it is your addiction talking. You can't reason with addiction, you body will keep you addicted no matter what you think. You need help with ridding yourself of this from your body, before you can use your mind to stop. At least most people can't stop the addiction by will of power.
Maybe you started out as using for an escape, but I think it is more than that now, you can't control it. ((((OB)))) Things are so hard right now for you, and I am sorry to see you going through this.
Posted by obsidian on October 5, 2008, at 12:05:02
In reply to Re: My therapist says I'm being self destructive.... » Sigismund, posted by lemonaide on October 5, 2008, at 11:41:43
thank you so much lemonaide, that was very kind of you :-)
Posted by onceupon on October 5, 2008, at 21:12:44
In reply to Re: My therapist says I'm being self destructive.... » Poet, posted by obsidian on October 4, 2008, at 16:22:33
It's so much easier when it feels like nothing matters, isn't it? I think I've been feeling like this for a long time.
I don't smoke weed or use alcohol too excessively, but I do think that I'm addicted to thinking about suicide and/or numbing out emotionally - I can check out pretty well on my own.
Posted by Dinah on October 6, 2008, at 8:39:44
In reply to Re: My therapist says I'm being self destructive.... » JayMac, posted by obsidian on October 4, 2008, at 20:49:29
My therapist sometimes thinks things are destructive that I think are relatively harmless coping skills while ignoring things I do that cause me serious trouble. Because the latter are socially more acceptable. (Eating, sleeping, or spending too much for example)
You know best what impact this has on your life. If you're self medicating for anxiety or depression, is this form of medication more harmful to your life than psychiatrist administered medication? Is it interfering with your productivity, your relationships, etc?
I think there's a tension there. We can see harmful coping skills more from the side of coping skills - things that help us get through the day. While they can see them as things that harm our lives. I'm not sure if that's "self destructive" though, if the intent is to survive or endure pain.
Do you think he'd be open to your reframing it as a coping skill that fills a need and causes harm, and then calmly weigh the two sides, and consider alternatives?
Posted by Sigismund on October 6, 2008, at 15:04:11
In reply to Re: My therapist says I'm being self destructive.... » obsidian, posted by Dinah on October 6, 2008, at 8:39:44
Depending on my mood I can think
A change is as good as a holiday
or
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Pot does not reliably takes me anywhere nice, but sometimes I have to leave where I am, so weary of it do I feel.
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