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Posted by muffled on January 2, 2008, at 23:53:28
I liked it anyhow...
http://www.m-a-h.net/articles.html
M
Posted by Kath on January 3, 2008, at 16:14:17
In reply to Hey some good info and ideas here, for anyone...., posted by muffled on January 2, 2008, at 23:53:28
This looks interesting.
I find it hard navigating through websites. It says peer support...is there a chat room?
Kath
Posted by muffled on January 3, 2008, at 18:14:19
In reply to Re: Hey some good info and ideas here, for anyone.... » muffled, posted by Kath on January 3, 2008, at 16:14:17
> This looks interesting.
>
> I find it hard navigating through websites. It says peer support...is there a chat room?
>
> Kath*Not that i know of.
The first part of the list is more for dissociative folks.
But the second half of the list had some basic good stuff for anybody eg support, nurture, feelings etc.
I haven't read it all yet.
Just caught my eye the way the stuff I did read was written.
M
Posted by sunnydays on January 3, 2008, at 19:23:24
In reply to Hey some good info and ideas here, for anyone...., posted by muffled on January 2, 2008, at 23:53:28
This is really excellent. Thanks muffled!
sunnydays
Posted by star008 on January 3, 2008, at 20:01:05
In reply to Hey some good info and ideas here, for anyone...., posted by muffled on January 2, 2008, at 23:53:28
thx for the link muffled.. lots of good info there..some of it makes me nervous when i read it..do u get that way??
Posted by muffled on January 3, 2008, at 22:55:51
In reply to Re: Hey some good info and ideas here, for anyone.... » muffled, posted by star008 on January 3, 2008, at 20:01:05
> thx for the link muffled.. lots of good info there..some of it makes me nervous when i read it..do u get that way??
*well, maybe some, but I have found very little info on the net bout DD but LOTS on DID. Some DID stuff fits naturally enuf, and being that I can't find much other info I end up picking thru DID stuff. So I am used to it. Plus, you SO got to take with a LARGE grain of salt anything you read on the net. I have been to sites that come across as so professional etc, and as I read thru them OMG!!! They wacked!
However I must say LOL, that i was happy to skim thru this part on that site:"It must be made clear that the diagnostic criteria for MPD are quite specific. To be a multiple, a person must have two or more alter selves who have their own ideas about themselves and their world. This is more than merely having different aspects to your personality or even different inner parts. Alters are "someone else". They can take over the person's behavior and/or body, during which time the person loses time and/or a complete sense of her personal identity. However, I believe one of the most important things to remember about MPD is that it is personality-based - a way of being, rather than a structured state. The form of multiplicity for each person reflects the uniqueness of their personality and, because of this, there are as many rich, complex and different expressions of multiplicity as there are multiples. Meeting the three diagnostic criteria makes someone multiple - the rest is just style."
*So from this I would say the three things that make one 'fit' the DX of DID are:
1.two or more DISTINCT personalities(I have my peeps, but, while they are who they are....well, its not like I jeckyll and hyde or something...)
2.time loss(I don't really lose time in a distinct way, not really, I don't 'come to' not knowing whats happened. Not to say I never have, but its rare)
3.Oh hell I dunno what 3 was!!! It'll come to me...
HA! It did. Its the degree in which it interferes with your life.(So I don't generally have huge probs with inappropriate 'switching' if you want to call it that. It interferes in my life in that I am ashamed of it, in that I am inappropriate sometimes and I can't seem to stop it. But not grossly so. Just bad, but not TOO bad....)
So anyways, for me to read the other stuff is reassuring in many ways cuz I guess reading it makes me realize mebbe I not totally crazy...the stuff thats written makes good sense. I can understand it. Its not just me being an idiot. I'm not the only one. Etc.
But see DD lies on a CONTINUUM. Its not just 'you got DID', or 'not'. Cuz its got a whole range of degree, and where does DD start/end, and where does DDNOS start/end, and where does DID start/end?
So I thot of getting tested, and trying to be straight up bout it, but then i thot, whats the point? I know what I am, I don't need a label. Sides awhile back I WAS tested(*I* didn't realize it, but another part did and lied like a frikken rug, and DAMN, she was good at it I am ashamed to say. So even at that, who is to say the lying won't come up again? I don't care anyways as I said. P-doc just labelled me GAD-generalized anxiety disorder, and put me on seroquel...)
I seem to have a part of me thats awfully clever....too bad she not around more!LOL!
Oh well.
So if you are disturbed by this website and you DO want to have some sort of concrete scientific evidence of your disorder, then go get tested. It may or may not indicate anything, depending on who is doing the talking.
So don't sweat it all right?
Take care,
M
Posted by muffled on January 3, 2008, at 22:59:26
In reply to Re: Hey some good info and ideas here, for anyone.... » muffled, posted by sunnydays on January 3, 2008, at 19:23:24
There's some good points to this page.
But remember to take all w/a grain of salt OK?
Nice to see you SD!
Getting closer to seeing T eh?
M
Posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 9:41:21
In reply to Re: Hey some good info and ideas here, for anyone.... » star008, posted by muffled on January 3, 2008, at 22:55:51
It makes sense that everyone's experience is different. But there's something I was wondering, that is probably a very foolish question.
A lot of people here refer to their other parts with group names (like "peeps"). And I was wondering if they minded being referred to that way? If I were someone sharing a body, I don't think I'd like that at all. I think I'd say something like what makes me a "peep" or whatever the term might be, and you not?
Maybe the explanation is just that everyone's experience is different, but that's really hard for me to understand.
Posted by muffled on January 4, 2008, at 10:01:30
In reply to A likely stupid question, posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 9:41:21
> It makes sense that everyone's experience is different. But there's something I was wondering,
*thats what I figger too. This particular page makes EVERYbody sound split LOL!!!
> A lot of people here refer to their other parts with group names (like "peeps"). And I was wondering if they minded being referred to that way? If I were someone sharing a body, I don't think I'd like that at all. I think I'd say something like what makes me a "peep" or whatever the term might be, and you not?*ROFL!!! It IS confusing to me too. I have a part that I struggled with initially that INSISTED that it be called muffled also. I said *I* am muffled, but it said it was called muffled also. I said that was too confusing. Anyhow, we have worked it out. It seems to accept being called Ikid now. Its a good kid really.
I suspect that some peoples peeps might become annoyed by it. Especially initially. But I have found that once things have settled more, when it is understood that there are others, then its logical to say peeps. Cuz otherwise I'd have to say, Ikid, Franchesca, Toughie, Nasty ...etc. Takes too long!
As well, for me, I often dunno WHO I might be dealing with at any given time. Or if there is fussing going on amongst more than one, its just 'fuss', I dunno who. So again, just peeps.
> Maybe the explanation is just that everyone's experience is different, but that's really hard for me to understand.*It depends on the personality/feelings of the peeps. The hardest thing I find, is that the kids ARE kids. I just cannot grasp how there could be an ACTUAL child inside this adult body. It makes NO sense.
Thanks for taking an interest.
How you doing anyways Dinah?
M
Posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 10:39:47
In reply to Never a dumb question » Dinah, posted by muffled on January 4, 2008, at 10:01:30
It's not *just* taking an interest, Muffled.
It's something I've found rather upsetting, although I totally take ownership of that and am not blaming anyone.
I'm doing very well emotionally. I've enjoyed spending time with my delightful family this Christmas, although I'm still struggling with work. Physically not as well, with perimenopause settling in and with a change in my diabetes medication.
Posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 11:36:55
In reply to Never a dumb question » Dinah, posted by muffled on January 4, 2008, at 10:01:30
and...
Well, kids rarely think of themselves as kids. Or at least not in this area. From the age of at least 8, I remember thinking of myself as a person who just hadn't reached adult height yet. Certainly teens don't consider themselves kids, and are very protective of their identity.
Posted by star008 on January 4, 2008, at 15:52:05
In reply to Re: Hey some good info and ideas here, for anyone.... » star008, posted by muffled on January 3, 2008, at 22:55:51
hey muffy,,
it is not taht I am disturbed by the website in general.. It makes me nervous reading about interacting with them and taking care of them and tht stuff. I am okay with the diagnoses of ddnos, ( i think anyway).. It is the working with them that makes me jumpy inside..I don't need to be tested.. i am afraid I know the truth.;).. I don't think it that webiste that disturbs me.. it is just the trying to work with them.
you are right there is very little about ddnos on the net.. probably because it is vague.. I don't lose time but do forget things and get a bit foggy sometimes.. I do have distinct personalities. I don't do things have not memory or doing them and I am aware the kids are there..
I am not sure if they are all aware of each other.. some are, others I don't know..
I don't usually ahve inapproprate swtching but it has happened and I am aware of it and then I just don't say much if I am out in public or something..this is jsut waht we get to live with.. I saw the part that said when you first find out there is confusion and chaos and I thought about you and how confused you get and the kids all act up.. I get that way too..
gotta get ready for work.. blah.....
Posted by star008 on January 4, 2008, at 15:59:12
In reply to Re: Never a dumb question » muffled, posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 10:39:47
Dinah,,
Mine don't seem to mind being called my "kids".. they dont' have seperate and different names that I am aware of. Even the Peeps doesn't bother them.. I think it is because they have some sense of belonging as in "my Peeps" or my kids.?? I haven't noticed that they care about what they are called.. Might be differnt with some people but this is the way it is for me. Mine seem to know I am older and in charge, (more or less) so belonging to me is just the way it is.. My kids..
better than not belonging anywhere i guess.
Posted by muffled on January 4, 2008, at 16:09:30
In reply to Re: Never a dumb question » Dinah, posted by star008 on January 4, 2008, at 15:59:12
>better than not belonging anywhere i guess
*exactly. One time I was journalling and my ikid was upset cuz she felt like T didn't think she should be 'here', that she didn't exist of something. And the kid said something about where do I belong then, if not here where? Do I belong in the 'nothingness'?
So that was interesting to me. Why the kid would say that. Cuz where IS she when I am not aware of her? The peeps definately can be active w/o me being aware, but where do they go when I am not aware? IS there a nothing place for them?
And its funny what you said bout interacting w/them that makes you uncomfortable. ME TOO! I just journalled bout that last night. Ooops, looked for it, guess I didn't write it down. Anyways, I have a prob with outright asking them direct questions. Freaks me. Like asking ikid where she goes when she not here....ugh.
I wonder if we fear too much reality.....
Ugh.
Damned confusing...
M
Posted by muffled on January 4, 2008, at 16:13:47
In reply to Re: Never a dumb question, posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 11:36:55
Glad you doing OK Dinah.
Doing lotsa thinking too?
I read on somewhere where the Japanese have a theory of two personnas inside, there was some Japanese name for them. It made me think of you when I was reading it.
I should have bmailed a link. Sorry.
So you think you have splitness? Or inner child? Or more defined ego states or something?
I think we all do to some extent.
It can be useful knowlege for when we trying to figger WTF is going on inside....
To me it wasn't scarey really. Just a releife to know. It explained SO much.
Take care,
M
Posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 17:16:43
In reply to Re: Never a dumb question » Dinah, posted by muffled on January 4, 2008, at 16:13:47
I read a book once about the Japanese idea, I think. It's likely still around somewhere.
I don't know what I consider myself. I don't lose time or anything. But I know I'd spit fire if I referred to myself that way. Seriously. It would not be pretty.
Maybe I'm looking to unionize or something. Rights for nondominant body sharers? I dunno. I seem to have pretty strong feelings tho.
Posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 17:28:41
In reply to Re: Never a dumb question » Dinah, posted by star008 on January 4, 2008, at 15:59:12
I guess everyone's experience is different, and I don't want to ask any intrusive questions about your experience. So I suppose all that makes discussion a bit difficult. It sounds as if they don't take over the consciousness?
Posted by rskontos on January 4, 2008, at 18:20:57
In reply to Re: Never a dumb question » star008, posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 17:28:41
Dinah, you ask about peeps, I am the one that started calling them peeps. I hate the word alters and my old therapists called them alters. My inners got hateful at that word so I called them peeps someone else on this site called them peeps first and I adopted the terms because I felt comfortable with it at the time. I don't know if my alters are comfortable with the terms or not because we don't talk yet. When they come out I am gone totally for the most part. They do take over my consciousness. I have lost so much time I have lost days and sometimes weeks. I have awaken in different places wearing different clothes. I have bought stuff I don't remember. I have driven places and dont know it. It is scarey but it is. I have met people I swear I don't know but know stuff about me that it is apparent I have meet them but I DONT remember them. So I would fake it sometimes and sometimes I would leave and never call them back. Sometimes I just wouldnt answer the phone. Now if my others have different names i don't know yet. My new doc and I aren't that far. I am scared to find out in some ways. So the question about the term peeps if my doing but I can 't answer it for mine because I don't know what they like. I know they don't like or trust my new p-doc because they try to prevent me from getting there. It takes me 45 mins to 1 hour to drive the 15 mins. it should take. they interfere big time. but we finally get there. He says this is how I know I am doing to the right thing. THey have no reason to trust him yet. They are around to protect me. I just wish they would not use driving to try and stop me from getting there. It is dangerous. But he and I have strategies to help me stay safe. So mine do and can take over my consciousness. I am now better at knowing the signs which my new pdoc Dr. X has helped me know and understand. It is so weird and scary and I have one peep that tries to make me deny their existence. She gets me so worked up. she is the one that usually takes over. I am getting some control over staying but it is more like an out of body experience that I have to fight to stay. Sometimes I can only hear stuff. You can ask me I don't mind. It does help to talk about it however weird it is to talk about. And as my new doc says I am not crazy. I keep saying I feel that way and he keeps saying I am not. Oh and the voices. They can chatter up a storm at least mine can. And the flashes of them I have been getting. When my eyes aren't closed that is new. Have I scared you yet..........let me know when I do....rsk
Posted by muffled on January 4, 2008, at 18:42:42
In reply to Re: Never a dumb question, posted by rskontos on January 4, 2008, at 18:20:57
Glad you got a good p-doc to help you out.
Hang in there.
Nice to see you posting.
M
Posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 18:43:28
In reply to Re: Never a dumb question, posted by rskontos on January 4, 2008, at 18:20:57
No, I'm not scared. And I don't think you're crazy.
I guess I just have to keep in mind that everyone's experience is different, and what would upset me doesn't upset others, because if it did they'd find a way to stop it, I'm sure.
I hope I didn't upset anyone by bringing it up.
Posted by rskontos on January 4, 2008, at 18:58:39
In reply to Re: Never a dumb question » rskontos, posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 18:43:28
OH no, the peeps term started out as a joke if I recall correctly and it was an easy thing for me to use since any other term bothered me, now that I am coming to terms with my dx, it isn't so bad what they are called. I don't they will mind so much as I don't if my hunch is correct. They are a part of me, they are the part that has the most disturbed parts, the memories, they have all the feelings. I have no feelings, no memories. I am the shell. I am the adult with no memories, no emotions. No connections to the past. When I need to connect I cannot. It is hard to function in the world when you need to go to the parts of you that you need to utitilize that would use those parts and hence the troubles. When you are so badly fragmented and it starts to unravel it gets messy and this is the state I am in now. Some days I seem fine. Other days I seem to be a raving lunatic. Some days I feel fine other days I feel like a bundle of nerves that are like trying to find a calm in a sea of nerve ending waves. I think therapy will find a way to make those connections from me those fragments parts. Neither of my parents parented. Both were ill. So I dissociated all my life until now. I still do actually. Most of the time I am dissociating. I do it well. So well sometimes I am unaware. And I did not know I was doing it.
So no you did not upset me. I can understand how you would think alters might not like the word peeps. For all I know one of them may come out and yell that they hate that word. I just don't know yet. And may not ever know. Everyone's experience is different just like depression is different for everyone. I am sorry if that term upset you. And if in the future one of my alters post forgive me in advance as I can't always stop them...for now this is rsk......
Posted by muffled on January 4, 2008, at 20:09:12
In reply to Re: Never a dumb question » muffled, posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 17:16:43
> I read a book once about the Japanese idea, I think. It's likely still around somewhere.
>
> I don't know what I consider myself. I don't lose time or anything. But I know I'd spit fire if I referred to myself that way. Seriously. It would not be pretty.
>
> Maybe I'm looking to unionize or something. Rights for nondominant body sharers? I dunno. I seem to have pretty strong feelings tho.*hmmm. It seems the stuff that triggers us the most is what we supposed to look at.....
Take it easy Dinah.
M
Posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 21:47:37
In reply to Re: Never a dumb question » Dinah, posted by muffled on January 4, 2008, at 20:09:12
I do look at it. I discussed it today with my therapist.
I like my therapist. He's so calm.
Posted by muffled on January 4, 2008, at 21:51:18
In reply to Re: Never a dumb question » muffled, posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 21:47:37
Keep up the good(but hard) work!
My T is calm too.
((( T's )))
I see mine next Tues.
M
Posted by star008 on January 5, 2008, at 8:16:40
In reply to Re: Never a dumb question » star008, posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 17:28:41
Dinah..
In straight DID alters can take over consciousness.. In ddnos, for me, they don't..ddnos is a category for dissociative disorders that only have some of the criteria for DID, (previously called multiple personality disorder).. hope this helps.. confusing i know..
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