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Posted by 64bowtie on February 8, 2006, at 15:51:38
Are there any therapists that use vision to emphasize the distortions in client habits, behaviors and beliefs??? These are three culprits at the roots of our pains and sufferrings that we can UPDATE VISUALLY, extinguishing thier dysfunctions forever, if that's what we really want...
Vision also updates NORMALLY 6 times per second (as much as 15 times per second for Grand Prix race car drivers, down hill skiers, and Top-Gun fighter pilots, to name a few)... When we daydream, we can go for long periods without an update in the foreground, allowing the background vision (mind's eye) to care for our business of living... When we daydream, we can actually be in three places at once, visually...
A therapist may then have us take an objective view of our habits, beliefs and behaviors that make up our dysfunction and direct us to look at what we want them to be instead... It is then our responsibility to fill in the gap with our wisdom; fill in the gaps that create our distorted views; thus altering our dysfunctional situations forever...
Anthropologists have always said that what makes man so unique, is the nature of being a keener observer than all other animals... Now we may utilise this attribute to get back onto the right track in our lives... A wise therapist will help us with this endeavor... Are there any practitioners out there??? Let me know...
Rod
Posted by crazy teresa on February 8, 2006, at 17:50:35
In reply to Habits and Vision, posted by 64bowtie on February 8, 2006, at 15:51:38
Isn't that what EMDR is/does?
http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/depression/treatment/emdr/q_and_a.asp
Posted by James K on February 9, 2006, at 3:27:06
In reply to Habits and Vision, posted by 64bowtie on February 8, 2006, at 15:51:38
---this is intriguing to me, but I have to admit, I don't quite understand much of what you are discussing.
> Are there any therapists that use vision to emphasize the distortions in client habits, behaviors and beliefs??? These are three culprits at the roots of our pains and sufferrings that we can UPDATE VISUALLY, extinguishing thier dysfunctions forever, if that's what we really want...
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> Vision also updates NORMALLY 6 times per second (as much as 15 times per second for Grand Prix race car drivers, down hill skiers, and Top-Gun fighter pilots, to name a few)... When we daydream, we can go for long periods without an update in the foreground, allowing the background vision (mind's eye) to care for our business of living... When we daydream, we can actually be in three places at once, visually...---This is part of what I don't get. the 3 places. We are seeing what is in front of us, that goes on autopilot. We see what is in our daydream. what is the third? Is this background vision the third? rather than an extension of the main vision? I just tried to do it, but I can only do 2. I must be missing part of the concept. no worries.
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> A therapist may then have us take an objective view of our habits, beliefs and behaviors that make up our dysfunction and direct us to look at what we want them to be instead... It is then our responsibility to fill in the gap with our wisdom; fill in the gaps that create our distorted views; thus altering our dysfunctional situations forever...---I'm literally lost. is this about literal sight, something that is happening with our eyes and the part of our brain that interprets what the retinas record, or is this a symbolic thing?
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> Anthropologists have always said that what makes man so unique, is the nature of being a keener observer than all other animals... Now we may utilise this attribute to get back onto the right track in our lives... A wise therapist will help us with this endeavor... Are there any practitioners out there??? Let me know...
>----I only know of emdr (?) like C.T. as a therapy that involves vision. recalled vision, like flashbacks. It was useful to my wife. Many animals see better than us, but I doubt any have the internal vision we are capable of. I admit I just didn't get much of what you were saying, but if you feel like spending more time, I may be capable. No guarantees though.
> Rod
>thanks,
James K
Posted by 64bowtie on February 10, 2006, at 14:55:05
In reply to Re: Habits and Vision » 64bowtie, posted by crazy teresa on February 8, 2006, at 17:50:35
CT,
Thanks for responding directly to my question... I will pursue EMDR information for likenesses...
EM >>> eye movement, totally in the foreground
<<< The "Objective View" merges experiences in the foreground and the background...
>>> Densetisation is a numbing of the senses...
<<< In order for the "Objective View" to work, the client willingly undergoes heightened awareness increasing the ability to perceive an undistorted reality, unencumbered by obligation/expectation held over from childhood (usually)... While experiencing things in the foreground, eyes wide open, the "Mind's Eye" will manage the background out-of-body tangent view of our reality, absent the emotional ties and limitations... Simply put, we become very, very, very cognisant of our existance, and in the here-and-now!!!
When we are products of multi-generation/multi-layer dysfunction, driven by erges to please those we are obligated to and have expectations of, our conflict management decays to general avoidance (of the here-and-now), leaving us in a morass of distorted feelings, beliefs, behaviors, and motives... Then, we unwittingly pass all this onto our offsprings...
The "Objective View" is our surefire way out... So, does anyone practice this kind of therapy, producing non-abstract clarity in the here-and-now???
I really am open to suggestions...
Rod
Posted by crazy teresa on February 11, 2006, at 13:02:04
In reply to Re: Habits and Vision » crazy teresa, posted by 64bowtie on February 10, 2006, at 14:55:05
Search this site for 'EDMR' and you might find those who have used it, if you get no direct replies. I only just learned of it from posts here, recently.
Posted by 64bowtie on February 13, 2006, at 2:53:41
In reply to Re: Habits and Vision, posted by James K on February 9, 2006, at 3:27:06
James,
<<< I suppose what's so confusing is that I operate from the premise that faulty beliefs are based on false and distorted information, and thus are at the roots of most bad feelings, bad behavior, and bad motives... False and distorted information can be most quickly updated by vision, in concert with the other foreground and background senses, and thereby extinguishing the faulty beliefs, one by one, as we begin to perceive accurately...
I've stumbled unto an unfortunate barricade to the updating process, that extinguishing faulty beliefs means a "loss" to the client who is attempting to change... I suspect that vanity, and indeed arrogance, tends to block change, spurred on by the history of the clients own peculiar dysfunction being multigenerational and multilayered... The principal of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" seems more authentic to the client since all of the ancestors appeared to get along without this change being required of them... What should I call this, "ancestoral arrogance" syndrome???
I've also discovered by my own efforts that, the more we perceive, the more we (indeed) perceive... Extrapolated, the more TIME we devote to perception, in contrast to acting only on judgement and belief, the more (QUANTITY) we perceive, and so on, and so on... I am targeting those who are terribly twisted emotionally, such that they perform 95% of the time operating from only their feelings, allowing their opinions and beliefs to (totally) run their lives... By being curious about the world around us, perceiving more and believing less, we tend to emerge, eventually, from our troubles and strife...
Rod
PS: I've been looking around alot, and the only surefire EVIL I ever see is DYSFUNCTION, time and time again... And we do it to ourselves...
Posted by Dinah on February 17, 2006, at 12:50:41
In reply to Re: Habits and Vision » James K, posted by 64bowtie on February 13, 2006, at 2:53:41
> I suspect that vanity, and indeed arrogance, tends to block change
>... What should I call this, "ancestoral arrogance" syndrome???
Just as a suggestion, I think it might be productive for you to open your mind to other possibilities. Could you be letting your frustration with your clients inclination to resist change color your assumptions about their motivations?
Posted by gardenergirl on February 18, 2006, at 6:28:35
In reply to Re: Habits and Vision » 64bowtie, posted by Dinah on February 17, 2006, at 12:50:41
Or perhaps they are not in the active stage of the stages of change (Prochaska and DiClemente's Transtheoretical Model of Change). Interventions aimed at action, when the client is not in the action stage, usually are not effective.
Perhaps the client is still contemplating change, a stage evidenced by ambivalent feelings and a lack of committment to change. Or if they are in the preparation stage, they are committed, but are still seeking out the best way, and are still not ready to act.
I've found that when my interventions due not match the stage my client is in, we both get frustrated in a hurry.
gg
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