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Posted by cybercafe on August 29, 2002, at 15:18:24
wondering if anyone out there suffers from narcissistic personality disorder or has any good links
here are some cool videos on personality disorders
Posted by ~~tabitha~~ on August 30, 2002, at 4:45:25
In reply to personality disorders, posted by cybercafe on August 29, 2002, at 15:18:24
Hi, I don't think I qualify as a NPD but for a long time I tended to get into intimate relationships (including marriage) with them. I did a bunch of reading on it. Here's the google directory page, these are all interesting.
http://directory.google.com/Top/Health/Mental_Health/Disorders/Personality/Narcissistic/
I also read a book about emotional abuse that listed the types of personalities that tended to link up into abusive relationships, stuff like "the Martyr and the Sadist" etc. There was one pairing called "The Narcissist and the Selfless Woman" that fit my marriage to a T.Lately I'm seeing some of the narcissist qualities in myself too. It's like I could jump to the other side of the same game.
So do you consider yourself NPD? Just curious.
Posted by cybercafe on August 30, 2002, at 13:05:23
In reply to Re: personality disorders, posted by ~~tabitha~~ on August 30, 2002, at 4:45:25
> Hi, I don't think I qualify as a NPD but for a long time I tended to get into intimate relationships (including marriage) with them. I did a bunch of reading on it. Here's the google directory page, these are all interesting.
thanks for replying tabitha :)
> Lately I'm seeing some of the narcissist qualities in myself too. It's like I could jump to the other side of the same game.
yeah ... they say narcissism is synonymous with abandonment and self-reliance... and i definately did the jump after being abandoned by narcissists and wanting to become more self-reliant ....
.. my main problem was shyness though -- i'm hoping now that i have the confidence narcissistic accomplishments help bring, i can go back to being a new, confident, happy selfless dude
> So do you consider yourself NPD? Just curious.
.. yes.... so where do selfless women hang out?
.. and how can i spot them?funny, i don't think narcissism could have played a role in the foundation of any previous relationships, since when i meet a woman i'm usually asking her about herself
Posted by Dinah on August 30, 2002, at 16:24:33
In reply to personality disorders, posted by cybercafe on August 29, 2002, at 15:18:24
I've been looking and looking for more information on schizotypal personality disorder. This might give me a lot of answers about what the descriptions really mean. A dramatization to show what each disorder looks like is very elightening.
Thanks!
Dinah
Posted by cybercafe on August 30, 2002, at 19:38:06
In reply to Re: thanks for the link » cybercafe, posted by Dinah on August 30, 2002, at 16:24:33
> I've been looking and looking for more information on schizotypal personality disorder. This might give me a lot of answers about what the descriptions really mean. A dramatization to show what each disorder looks like is very elightening.
yeah i remember you discussing it before, it seemed quite interesting -- but then i'm probably a little schizotypical myself (probably cuz of anxiety/isolation + genetics) ...
really the more i read, the more i realize how common it is to experience some of many, but none of all the personality disorders...
hmmm... what is the main subjective problem experienced by a schizotypical individual, and how does treatment approach it?
take care ;)
Posted by ~~tabitha~~ on August 31, 2002, at 3:55:08
In reply to Re: personality disorders, posted by cybercafe on August 30, 2002, at 13:05:23
> yeah ... they say narcissism is synonymous with abandonment and self-reliance... and i definately did the jump after being abandoned by narcissists and wanting to become more self-reliant ....
Oh yeah? Were your parents narcissists? My father was I think, though I have very limited memory of him. My mother did the whole living in his shadow thing, til she wised up and left him.
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> .. my main problem was shyness though -- i'm hoping now that i have the confidence narcissistic accomplishments help bring, i can go back to being a new, confident, happy selfless dude
Confident and happy sounds good. I'm not sure what kind of accomplishments you mean though. I see my narcissistic accomplishments as being irrelevant to true happiness or even at odds with it. For instance, being really thin was a narcissitic accomplishment for me, but it rested on feeling superior to those who didn't achieve it, and on rejecting my own hunger. True happiness would be self-acceptance and self-nurturing. Making A's in school was a narcissistic accomplishment, but it stemmed from fear of being less than perfect.>
> .. yes.... so where do selfless women hang out?
> .. and how can i spot them?Ha ha, I don't think you'd want to get into that kind of thing. Yes she'd buy into your grandeur, but it wouldn't matter much since you'd have no respect for her. She'd just be a flattering mirror for you and you'd still be alone.
Posted by cybercafe on September 1, 2002, at 2:13:35
In reply to Re: personality disorders » cybercafe, posted by ~~tabitha~~ on August 31, 2002, at 3:55:08
> Oh yeah? Were your parents narcissists? My father was I think, though I have very limited memory of him. My mother did the whole living in
when i wanted to get my father more help.... i remembered once hearing the term "intermittent explosive" so i typed this into google search... and i found all of these other terms which so well fit all of him and his 7 siblings (being really loud, needing to dominate conversations, etc)
>is shadow thing, til she wised up and left him.my mother is in total denial that there are any problems .... (though my father is diagnosed bipolar type I) ...
she would like to leave, but we are too poor ...
> Confident and happy sounds good. I'm not sure what kind of accomplishments you mean though. I
see my narcissistic accomplishments as being irrelevant to true happiness or even at odds with it. For instance, being really thin was a narcissitic accomplishment for me, but it rested on feeling superior to those who didn't achieve it, and on rejecting my own hunger. True happiness would be self-acceptance and self-nurturing. Making A's in school was a narcissistic accomplishment, but it stemmed from fear of being less than perfect.hey sounds like what i went through.... like i would see some narcissistic people who were.. the best.. and decide they had it really good.. so i would become the best at whatever (marks, athletics, so fourth) and then realize there really isn't much to it... and i wasn't doing to bad before i became #1.. so maybe i wouldn't have been so bad off just relaxing and being... mediocre ... complacent and happy
but it's kind of confusing.. because technically i'm bipolar type II ... and i know narcissism can be treated with mood stabilizers.. and supposedly narcissists experience frequent mood swings... so i am waiting for medication to make me stable and then, once i have the capability, to adjust my thinking ....> Ha ha, I don't think you'd want to get into that kind of thing. Yes she'd buy into your grandeur, but it wouldn't matter much since you'd have no respect for her. She'd just be a flattering mirror for you and you'd still be alone.
i guess with women i'm still as narcissistic as ever .... i think because i am nothing but a no good insane dude i need to showcase my physical and mental prowess to prove my worth ...
i thought this would was... a natural reaction
Posted by ~~tabitha~~ on September 1, 2002, at 5:06:32
In reply to Re: personality disorders, posted by cybercafe on September 1, 2002, at 2:13:35
> i guess with women i'm still as narcissistic as ever .... i think because i am nothing but a no good insane dude i need to showcase my physical and mental prowess to prove my worth ...
Well, I'm not a doctor, but... I don't think a true narcissist would have an insight like that, about how the achievements cover up the low self-worth. Not that there's anything wrong with achievement, or with putting on your best face to impress the opposite sex. Pretty normal stuff.
And please, you are not a no good insane dude. BP 2 has its advantages, like the high intelligence and creativity that seems to come along with it. Just my opinion. Of course I'm on my upswing right now, check back with me in a couple months when I'm low, and I'll be cursing my special brain.
Posted by cybercafe on September 1, 2002, at 17:40:38
In reply to Re: personality disorders » cybercafe, posted by ~~tabitha~~ on September 1, 2002, at 5:06:32
> Well, I'm not a doctor, but... I don't think a true narcissist would have an insight like that, about how the achievements cover up the low self-worth. Not that there's anything wrong with
you're probably right... but it's only occasionally that you are reflective and gain that insight... when you are going through life focusing on other things, you aren't aware of such things i think....
> And please, you are not a no good insane dude. BP 2 has its advantages, like the high intelligence and creativity that seems to come along with it. Just my opinion. Of course I'm on my upswing right now, check back with me in a couple months when I'm low, and I'll be cursing my special brain.actually my doc says bipolars are on average about 6 points higher than sane dudes....
yeah, it's too bad most rich dudes in support groups are such good and lawful people -- i really wish i could use my connetions to get a cushy job... btw... can you take a mood stabilizer to make sure the downswing doesn't rear it's ugly head?
Posted by Silly Brain on September 19, 2002, at 15:20:20
In reply to Re: personality disorders, posted by cybercafe on September 1, 2002, at 17:40:38
I honestly can't see how you qualify for a narcissitic
diagnosis. Narcissistic Personality Disorder manifests
itself as:1. Considering oneself more important than one really is (Shrinks
that don't think you're important, that is, *bad shrinks* might think
you are not important as you think you are, so be careful with this one).2. No empathy for others. Not even knowing what they are feeling - being
INCAPABLE of knowing what others are feeling, not just not noticing. Further,
not caring what they are feeling, but INSISTING they understand and acknowledge
your feelings.3. Believing your behavior is always justified - never experiencing regret.
4. Expecting your demands to be met to the exclusion of people's needs.
Etc.
In the manic stage of bipolar, people will exhibit some of these traits. However,
unless these traits are constant, and part of personality, the diagnosis cannot rightfully
apply. The bipolar personality in general is very empathic and intuitive.I very firmly believe that the vast majority of NPD is diagnosed by shrinks who simply
don't like their patients to recognize their strengths, and essentially dislike the patient.
Most true NPD is actually Antisocial Personality Disorder.Silly
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