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Posted by myco on March 16, 2009, at 19:41:05
Does anyone have any suggestions (they or someone they know can vouch for) regarding natural stimulants (not caffeine lol although I love my coffee).
thanks
Myco
Posted by garnet71 on March 16, 2009, at 21:04:16
In reply to Natural Stimulants?, posted by myco on March 16, 2009, at 19:41:05
Hi Myco,
I posted this link on another thread; there is a chart of natural dopamine enhancers (stimulants work via dopamine?) at the bottom of this page:
http://www.addictionrecoveryguide.org/holistic/nutrition.html
For me, I don't have the confidence or the time to experiment with them all right now. Am thinking about just the L-Tyrosine after I assess how Wellbutrin will fare.
Posted by Neal on March 16, 2009, at 22:30:00
In reply to Natural Stimulants?, posted by myco on March 16, 2009, at 19:41:05
see my post of 03/15/09 on the meds board. It's available OTC and cheap. just a thought . . .
Posted by Neal on March 16, 2009, at 22:35:51
In reply to Natural Stimulants?, posted by myco on March 16, 2009, at 19:41:05
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Some personal experiences with the endogenous hormone (made in the human body), Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA). Dosage 3mg/day Male subject
Originally taken to help with an asthma condition because it is relatively cheap. It seems to brighten the mood slightly. It helps give energy that the asthma has taken away; puts gas in the tank, as it were, to do work, physical or mental. In common with buproprion, it can cause irritability and impatience and make you jumpy. Seems to build "male" morale. If too much is taken per day, it can build-up and cause anti-social actions and arguments. Seems to sharpen thinking and help spot patterns of behavior. Correct dosage is very important, and can only be learned by trial and testing. My dosage was 3-5 mg/day. Websites touting 25, 50 or even 100 mg/day are irresponsible in my opinion. For asthma or resperatory sufferers, it may be worth investigating. Not sure if a healthy subject would benefit.
According to the Mayo Clinic website: "There is some evidence supporting the use of DHEA in the treatment of adrenal insufficiency, depression, induction of labor, and systemic lupus erythematosus."
further info on the Mayo Clinic Site:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/dhea/NS_patient-dheaAdditional info from the web:
"Some small placebo-controlled randomized clinical trial studies have found long-term supplementation to improve mood and relieve depression or to decrease insulin resistance. However, a larger placebo-controlled randomized clinical trial reported in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2006 found that DHEA supplementation in elderly men and women had no beneficial effects on body composition, physical performance, insulin sensitivity, or quality of life."
"In contrast to the non-beneficial effects of DHEA on memory in the elderly, a randomised UK study found that a 7-day course of DHEA (150 mg twice daily) improved episodic memory in healthy young men. In this study, DHEA was also shown to improve subjective mood and decrease evening cortisol concentration, which is known to be elevated in depression. The effect of DHEA on memory appeared to be related to an early activation of the anterior cingulate cortex (ACC) and it was suggested this was due to neuronal recruitment of the steroid sensitive ACC that may be involved in pre-hippocampal memory processing."
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Posted by myco on March 16, 2009, at 23:15:35
In reply to Re: Natural Stimulants? » myco, posted by Neal on March 16, 2009, at 22:35:51
Do you know if this is ok with maoi's? I f*ck*d myself a little bit (still going actually) with supplementing green tea extract and nardil.
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Posted by desolationrower on March 16, 2009, at 23:54:42
In reply to Re: Natural Stimulants? » Neal, posted by myco on March 16, 2009, at 23:15:35
taking it once won't make your head asplode but its more dangerous thna green tea=
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-d/r
Posted by myco on March 16, 2009, at 23:56:49
In reply to Re: Natural Stimulants?, posted by desolationrower on March 16, 2009, at 23:54:42
LOL awesome. Hey d/r..post going up for someone "in the know" on the meds board.
> taking it once won't make your head asplode but its more dangerous thna green tea=
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Posted by Neal on March 18, 2009, at 15:08:47
In reply to Re: Natural Stimulants? » myco, posted by Neal on March 16, 2009, at 22:35:51
Myco
It's something you have in your body already. It's not a body-building steriod. I took it for asthma, which is treated with steriods; the only thing that works. I just found the secondary effects interesting. It's sold at vitamin stores, very common.
I don't know about the MAOI's, sorry.
Posted by desolationrower on March 19, 2009, at 1:45:32
In reply to Re: Natural Stimulants?, posted by Neal on March 18, 2009, at 15:08:47
well i would want to get tested before taking it; if you are actually low then it could be good, but it can have some serious side effects. note that its level can b e effected by some of the antidepresants.
-d'r
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