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Posted by Garnet71 on February 5, 2009, at 12:22:58
We've discussed the pharmaceutical industrial complex and its role our clinical treatment. Here's an article about the infiltration of it in the medical schools:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22237
I've suspected this for quite some time. Think about how huge the implications could be. Many of us complain about our psychiatrist, but think aobut how their medical education affects our well-being?
I would like to see a class-action lawsuit evolve around this someday - a lawsuit from all of us suffering out here as a result of these unethical and corrupt practices.
Write your congressmen people!!
Posted by Garnet71 on February 5, 2009, at 12:26:08
In reply to Drugs and Psychiatrists, posted by Garnet71 on February 5, 2009, at 12:22:58
Come to think of it - this is crime; medical rape. It is much more serious than other medical specialties in that basically our whole being is our brain.
Now that we have a classification for 'hate crimes', how about medical rape???
Posted by Garnet71 on February 5, 2009, at 12:35:24
In reply to Drugs and Psychiatrists, posted by Garnet71 on February 5, 2009, at 12:22:58
Oh, I know why. It would be white collar crime, thus leniancy and more social acceptance. I would say the people of Enron facilitated financial rape, but a small few were prosecuted, used as an example *only* for the aim of stabilizing investor confidence in our economy and also by showing the foreign investment community that fasifying financial reports will be cracked down upon, to allow for continued funding of the wars. Creative accounting is taught in schools just for the very purpose of deception - legally.
Hmmm. Might have something to do with the fact that narcissist/anti-social people are the ones in the position to make all of the decisions for our society.
Okay, I'm at my 3 post limit. lol.
Posted by Phillipa on February 5, 2009, at 13:09:33
In reply to Re: Drugs and Psychiatrists, posted by Garnet71 on February 5, 2009, at 12:35:24
Garnet okay I posted inbetween trying to get an exact handle on what your're saying. Coninue. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on February 5, 2009, at 14:26:37
In reply to Re: Drugs and Psychiatrists, posted by Garnet71 on February 5, 2009, at 12:35:24
> Hmmm. Might have something to do with the fact that narcissist/anti-social people are the ones in the position to make all of the decisions for our society.
I find that to be an overgeneralization, and certainly is unfair to many of our most important legislators and judges.
If you were to rise to a position of authority - even at work, will the narcissist thing apply equally to you? I'm sure not.
- Scott
Posted by garnet71 on February 5, 2009, at 21:52:55
In reply to Re: Drugs and Psychiatrists » Garnet71, posted by SLS on February 5, 2009, at 14:26:37
> > Hmmm. Might have something to do with the fact that narcissist/anti-social people are the ones in the position to make all of the decisions for our society.
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> I find that to be an overgeneralization, and certainly is unfair to many of our most important legislators and judges.
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> If you were to rise to a position of authority - even at work, will the narcissist thing apply equally to you? I'm sure not.
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> - Scott>---------------
No, of course not all people in positions of authority, but it is quite common. I mistakenly assumed that anyone with common sense would grasp the meaning of my sentence rather than interpret it as a black and white statement.
Actually, a person does have to have at least a healthy narcissism to achieve in large organizations that by the nature of organizations themselves involve negotiation, persuading, and general interacting with large numbers of people.
Care to comment on the article rather than my sentence syntax and pronouns/grammar? Did I make any typos? Spelling mistakes?
Posted by garnet71 on February 5, 2009, at 22:04:04
In reply to Drugs and Psychiatrists, posted by Garnet71 on February 5, 2009, at 12:22:58
I felt sickened by this article...2 years olds diagnosed with bipolar and given pyscho scripts:
"Take the case of Dr. Joseph L. Biederman, professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and chief of pediatric psychopharmacology at Harvard's Massachusetts General Hospital. Thanks largely to him, children as young as two years old are now being diagnosed with bipolar disorder and treated with a cocktail of powerful drugs, many of which were not approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for that purpose and none of which were approved for children below ten years of age."
In my view, these parents should be reviewed for child abuse for offering their children as guinea pigs for mental experimentation. There is a big difference there with a child who has a terminal illness and a 2 year old with symptoms that can be attributed to most 2 year olds at any given time. I had a very difficult ADHD child too, but just because he caused me 18 years of stress doesn't give me the right to give him a possible chemical labotany.
How can you not give your child a chance to grow and develop before stifling what you may think is an undesirable personality?
Posted by SLS on February 6, 2009, at 5:59:47
In reply to Re: Drugs and Psychiatrists » SLS, posted by garnet71 on February 5, 2009, at 21:52:55
Diction.
In my opinion, it was what it was - an overgeneralization, and not a "fact", as you say it was. It was more than just a typo or syntax problem.
The material in the article is old news, but nonetheless very important to act upon.
The professionals that they cited as being bad girls or bad boys - and wholly unethical in their management of money - are also some of the most important contributors to the field. I have corresponded with both Schatzberg and Nemeroff. They know too much to be discarded in my opinion. Sanctioned, yes, but not lost to the many people that they help live productive lives.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on February 6, 2009, at 6:14:40
In reply to Re: Drugs and Psychiatrists, posted by garnet71 on February 5, 2009, at 22:04:04
> I felt sickened by this article...2 years olds diagnosed with bipolar and given pyscho scripts:
Psycho scripts? Never seen it put quite that way before. Hmm.
> "Take the case of Dr. Joseph L. Biederman, professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and chief of pediatric psychopharmacology at Harvard's Massachusetts General Hospital. Thanks largely to him, children as young as two years old are now being diagnosed with bipolar disorder and treated with a cocktail of powerful drugs, many of which were not approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for that purpose and none of which were approved for children below ten years of age."
In my view, Biederman did what was to point out what has been increasingly observed by others. Pediatric bipolar disorder is not a figment of this man's imagine. I think his work is very important. I am not educated as to what treatments are being employed currently. Have you ever heard of kindling theory? To prevent the kindling of a more intractable illness, I think something should be done, even if it is only behavioral or psychosocial interventions.
You see, I don't know enough to make a proper assessment of the actions of professionals in the field. I just don't know enough.
> In my view, these parents should be reviewed for child abuse for offering their children as guinea pigs for mental experimentation.
You are entitled to your opinions, but it is considered uncivil here to exaggerate or overgeneralize. It is my opinion that this is what you are doing here.
See: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
In any event, my perspective is a bit different from yours. I am not yet ready to join the bandwagon of Biederman bashers, of which you can find many on the Internet and elsewhere.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on February 6, 2009, at 7:18:10
In reply to Re: Drugs and Psychiatrists » garnet71, posted by SLS on February 6, 2009, at 6:14:40
Sorry. Never mind.
PBC time for me.
- Scott
Posted by metric on March 24, 2009, at 10:32:36
In reply to Re: Drugs and Psychiatrists, posted by garnet71 on February 5, 2009, at 22:04:04
> I felt sickened by this article...2 years olds diagnosed with bipolar and given pyscho scripts:
>
> "Take the case of Dr. Joseph L. Biederman, professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and chief of pediatric psychopharmacology at Harvard's Massachusetts General Hospital. Thanks largely to him, children as young as two years old are now being diagnosed with bipolar disorder and treated with a cocktail of powerful drugs, many of which were not approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for that purpose and none of which were approved for children below ten years of age."
>
> In my view, these parents should be reviewed for child abuse for offering their children as guinea pigs for mental experimentation. There is a big difference there with a child who has a terminal illness and a 2 year old with symptoms that can be attributed to most 2 year olds at any given time. I had a very difficult ADHD child too, but just because he caused me 18 years of stress doesn't give me the right to give him a possible chemical labotany.
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> How can you not give your child a chance to grow and develop before stifling what you may think is an undesirable personality?
I couldn't agree more. Let the punishment fit the crime. In the case of Biederman, his sentence shall include, but not be limited to, weekly injections of haloperidol decanoate with aggressive doses of oral risperidone force-fed daily as an adjunct. Any refusal or less-than-enthusiastic attitude toward pharmacotherapy by patient shall be interpreted as "breakthrough symptoms" of his underlying mental pathology, and require prompt dosage escalation of all medications. Mental status examinations will be performed anually by his former patients, who will determine when, or if, he is fit for release from the psychiatric ward, where he will remain in captivity until such time.
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