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Posted by Maxime on June 12, 2005, at 16:33:06
In reply to Re: Anything to take edge off Wellbutrin?, posted by Phillipa on June 9, 2005, at 18:12:29
> If alternative what about melatonin? Fondly, Phillipa
That wouldn't take the edge off though. That's to help you sleep and regulate your sleeping patterns.
Maybe something like Passion Flower or Valerian Root.
Maxime
Posted by Maxime on June 12, 2005, at 16:33:06
In reply to Anything to take edge off Wellbutrin?, posted by TrishP on June 9, 2005, at 10:04:45
> Just checking to see if anythings besides the Effexor will take the edge off of Wellbutrin?
>
> Buspar?
> Klonopin?
> Trazadone?
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> I like Wellbutrin but it wires me.Hi. I just suggested something to someone else, and it might help you as well. Niacin. 300 mg a day. (100 mg x 3). It really calms you down but not in a sleepy way. Something to try? Make sure you are taking other B vitamins since they all work together.
Maxime
Posted by Ktemene on June 12, 2005, at 16:34:36
In reply to Anything to take edge off Wellbutrin?, posted by TrishP on June 9, 2005, at 10:04:45
You might try tryptophan or niacinamide; I take Wellbutrin and both of these have helped me. Maxime is right about there being a lot of suggestions on the alternative board for anxiety. Different things work for different people. You might try seeing if any of the over-the-counter stuff works for you before you try a benzo.
Posted by Phillipa on June 12, 2005, at 16:34:36
In reply to Re: Anything to take edge off Wellbutrin?, posted by Maxime on June 10, 2005, at 11:26:19
I think Larry Hoover said Niacinamide. Can't remember the dose though. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Maxime on June 12, 2005, at 16:34:36
In reply to Re: Anything to take edge off Wellbutrin? » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on June 11, 2005, at 18:18:51
> I think Larry Hoover said Niacinamide. Can't remember the dose though. Fondly, Phillipa
Which is Niacin, but a non-flushing form and time releasing too I think. 300 mg. It's more expensive than Niacin so I were to test it out, I would buy Niacin first.
Maxime
Posted by Phillipa on June 12, 2005, at 16:34:36
In reply to Re: Anything to take edge off Wellbutrin?, posted by Maxime on June 9, 2005, at 17:24:48
Maxime, Here's the Thread that Larry posted. Fondly, Phillipa http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20050414/msgs/489221.html
Posted by Maxime on June 12, 2005, at 16:34:36
In reply to Re: Anything to take edge off Wellbutrin? » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on June 11, 2005, at 22:26:14
> Maxime, Here's the Thread that Larry posted. Fondly, Phillipa http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20050414/msgs/489221.html
Why don't you look it up on Google or Hotbot and see what you find out. It's a non-flushing form of Niacin. It's B6 and Niacin is B3. But they are both Niacin. Just different forms of it. B6 is more expensive.
Maxime
Posted by Maxime on June 12, 2005, at 16:34:36
In reply to Re: Anything to take edge off Wellbutrin?, posted by Maxime on June 11, 2005, at 23:02:56
Here, I did it for you.
MaximeNiacinamide - B Complex
http://www.oralchelation.com/ingred/niacinamide.htmNiacinamide is one of the water-soluble B-complex vitamins. Niacin, or nicotinic acid, is also known as Vitamin B-3. When an amide molecule attaches itself to niacin, it becomes niacinamide. One major difference is that in doses exceeding 50 mg, niacin typically produces flushing of the skin. Niacin and niacinamide also have different applications. It its niacinamide form, it is useful in arthritis and early-onset type I diabetes; niacin is an effective reducer of high cholesterol levels.
http://www.drugs.com/cons/Niacinamide.html
NiacinamideNIACIN (VITAMIN B 3) (Systemic)
Some commonly used brand names are:
In the U.S.-
* Niacor 1
* Nicolar 1
* Nicotinex Elixir 1
* Slo-Niacin 1In Canada-
* Novo-Niacin 1
Other commonly used names are:
Nicotinamide
Nicotinic acid
Vitamin B 3
Note:
For quick reference, the following products are numbered to match the corresponding brand names.
This information applies to the following products:
1. Niacin (nye-a-SIN) ? §
2. Niacinamide (nye-a-SIN-a-mide) ? §
? Generic name product may be available in the U.S.
§ Generic name product may be available in Canada
Category* Nutritional supplement, vitamin
Description
Vitamins (VYE-ta-mins) are compounds that you must have for growth and health. They are needed in small amounts only and are usually available in the foods that you eat. Niacin and niacinamide are necessary for many normal functions of the body, including normal tissue metabolism. They may have other effects as well.
Lack of niacin may lead to a condition called pellagra. Pellagra causes diarrhea, stomach problems, skin problems, sores in the mouth, anemia (weak blood), and mental problems. Your health care professional may treat this by prescribing niacin for you.
Some conditions may increase your need for niacin. These include:
* Cancer
* Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes)
* Diarrhea (prolonged)
* Fever (prolonged)
* Hartnup disease
* Infection (prolonged)
* Intestinal problems
* Liver disease
* Mouth or throat sores
* Overactive thyroid
* Pancreas disease
* Stomach ulcer
* Stress (prolonged)
* Surgical removal of stomachIncreased need for niacin should be determined by your health care professional.
Claims that niacin is effective for treatment of acne, alcoholism, unwanted effects of drug abuse, leprosy, motion sickness, muscle problems, poor circulation, and mental problems, and for prevention of heart attacks, have not been proven. Many of these treatments involve large and expensive amounts of vitamins.
Injectable niacin and niacinamide are given by or under the supervision of a health care professional. Other forms of niacin and niacinamide are available without a prescription.
Niacin and niacinamide are available in the following dosage forms:
* Oral Niacin
o Extended-release capsules (U.S.)
o Solution (U.S.)
o Tablets (U.S. and Canada)
o Extended-release tablets (U.S. and Canada)
* Niacinamide
o Tablets (U.S. and Canada)* Parenteral Niacin
o Injection (U.S.)
* Niacinamide
o Injection (U.S.)
http://www.herbsmd.com/search/sq.asp?sq=niacinamide
Niacinamide, also known as vitamin B-3, functions in over 50 metabolic reactions, most of which are enzymatic. Its bioactive forms " NAD , NADH, NADP, and NADPH> > Maxime, Here's the Thread that Larry posted. Fondly, Phillipa http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20050414/msgs/489221.html
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> Why don't you look it up on Google or Hotbot and see what you find out. It's a non-flushing form of Niacin. It's B6 and Niacin is B3. But they are both Niacin. Just different forms of it. B6 is more expensive.
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> Maxime
Posted by Phillipa on June 12, 2005, at 16:34:36
In reply to Re: Anything to take edge off Wellbutrin?, posted by Maxime on June 11, 2005, at 23:02:56
I used to take niacin and had the flushing. Was told it was good for the cardiovascular system. I used to itch also. Was told to take niacinamide to avoid this. I had no clue that it was supposed to be good for anxiety until I read this on Alternative. My OBGYN told me to take B6 as a diuretic for PMS. I guess there are a lot of used for this watersoluble vitamin. Who knows. I did a google search to look up natural vs synthetic vitamins and found out they were the same. After spending a lot of money for what I thought were natural. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by gromit on June 12, 2005, at 16:34:37
In reply to Re: Anything to take edge off Wellbutrin?, posted by Maxime on June 11, 2005, at 22:16:27
> Which is Niacin, but a non-flushing form and time releasing too I think. 300 mg. It's more expensive than Niacin so I were to test it out, I would buy Niacin first.
According to Larry and others, and in my experience also, niacinamide tends to reduce anxiety where niacin may be activating. I like activating myself and I take plain old niacin to help lower my cholersterol. Aspirin helps to reduce the flushing for me somewhat, probably the one useful thing I learned from my old pdoc. Also, the time release niacin is harder on the liver, not sure about niacinamide.
Rick
Posted by Maxime on June 12, 2005, at 16:34:37
In reply to Re: Anything to take edge off Wellbutrin? » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on June 12, 2005, at 0:01:43
Oh doesn't that just piss you off with the "whole" natural thing. I made mistake though, niacinamide is not B6, I meant B3 ... because it's Niacin. But it helps B3 to work.
So confusing. It's hard to know when you are being scammed by these vitamins places. You go in for one thing and come out with 10 because you "need it!". And it ain't cheap!
I don't know why Larry said Niacinamide and Niacin and used for two different things. Larry?
But you know LARGE quantities of Niacin can calm down even someone who is psychotic. And actually I read it's good for someone who is autistic. I must remember to tell Spriggy.
Maxime
> I used to take niacin and had the flushing. Was told it was good for the cardiovascular system. I used to itch also. Was told to take niacinamide to avoid this. I had no clue that it was supposed to be good for anxiety until I read this on Alternative. My OBGYN told me to take B6 as a diuretic for PMS. I guess there are a lot of used for this watersoluble vitamin. Who knows. I did a google search to look up natural vs synthetic vitamins and found out they were the same. After spending a lot of money for what I thought were natural. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Chairman_MAO on June 20, 2005, at 15:44:44
In reply to Re: Anything to take edge off Wellbutrin? » Phillipa, posted by Maxime on June 10, 2005, at 11:21:25
Wellbutrin is really just a dysphoric stimulant with an antidepressant metabolite (hydroxybupropion, an NE reuptake inhibitor). Thus, since the nature of the drug is such that it produces and unpleasant sense of being wired, there's not much you can do to get rid of that feeling besides lowering the dose or stopping the drug.
I once took wellbutrin while on a ton of benzos and they blunted the anxiety it caused, but that crappy feeling was still there. Best try a more pleasant dopaminergic, such as a REAL psychostimulant, Parnate, DA agonist, or DA releaser (amantadine, memantine, amisulpride). You could add reboxetine or strattera on top of it if you need that adrenergic effect.
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