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Posted by KaraS on December 9, 2004, at 14:18:11
I've been having problems breathing. I think that asthma is involved which is then triggering panic disorder. From what I've been observing, I think that the trigger is dry hot air. I know that sounds strange but that is listed in articles I've read as a possible cause of this problem and it seems to match what I've been experiencing.
What are good alternative and traditional treatments for this - both in terms of acute help and prevention? Can Sudafed help in the short- term? If so, can I take this if I've been taking 2.5 mg. of selegiline with DLPA? I actually took that for the last time this past Sunday (4 days ago).
Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm really panicking here.
Thanks,
Kara
Posted by KaraS on December 9, 2004, at 14:53:05
In reply to URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic, posted by KaraS on December 9, 2004, at 14:18:11
Also, for non-acute alternative treatment/prevention, I'm thinking of ginkgo, niacinamide, ginger and quercitin. I really don't want to have to start on corticosteroids which I know is a common treatment for asthma.
I was thinking of starting on an MAOI medication soon so I need to make sure that any treatments are not contraindicated with that type of medication. (If I can't get adequate treatment without using a contraindicated medication, then I'll have to scrap the idea of starting on an MAOI - which I really don't want to do.)
Posted by jujube on December 9, 2004, at 17:06:05
In reply to URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic, posted by KaraS on December 9, 2004, at 14:18:11
Kara,
When I had been doing research on natural remedies for sinus problems, I can across something called Colloidal Silver. Apparently, Colloidal Silver is not only good for congestion, but also for asthma. You can find all kinds of info about it, including testimonials from people who have used it, on the web.
Also, on Dr. Weil's website, he talks about a herbal treatment for asthma called Indian Tobacco (Lobelia inflata). You mix three parts tincture of lobelia with one part tincture of capsicum (red pepper, cayenne pepper). Take 20 drops of the mixture in water at the start of an asthma attack, and repeat every 30 minutes for a total of 3 to 4 doses.
Try to keep moisture in your room, particularly when you sleep. If you can bring a mister or vaporizer to work, you may want to consider that as well. I used to get really bad bronchitis and chest congestion, and I had a vaporizer going all the time, especially when I was sleeping. The moisture, I believe, is very important. My best friend has really, really bad asthma, and when he had a bad attack he would turn the shower on hot, hot, hot and sit on the edge of the tub breathing in the steam to open up his broncial tubes (since he refused to use an inhaler). Drinking teas such as mullein and fenugreek can help as well.
As for the sudafed, there is no caution on the package for asmatics, however, those with thyroid disease should use with caution and check with their doctor before using. I remember you mentioning that you had thyroid disease, so be careful with the Sudafed.
Take care Kara. I hope you find some relief soon.
Tamara
> I've been having problems breathing. I think that asthma is involved which is then triggering panic disorder. From what I've been observing, I think that the trigger is dry hot air. I know that sounds strange but that is listed in articles I've read as a possible cause of this problem and it seems to match what I've been experiencing.
>
> What are good alternative and traditional treatments for this - both in terms of acute help and prevention? Can Sudafed help in the short- term? If so, can I take this if I've been taking 2.5 mg. of selegiline with DLPA? I actually took that for the last time this past Sunday (4 days ago).
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm really panicking here.
>
> Thanks,
> Kara
>
>
>
Posted by KaraS on December 9, 2004, at 22:52:23
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » KaraS, posted by jujube on December 9, 2004, at 17:06:05
> Kara,
>
> When I had been doing research on natural remedies for sinus problems, I can across something called Colloidal Silver. Apparently, Colloidal Silver is not only good for congestion, but also for asthma. You can find all kinds of info about it, including testimonials from people who have used it, on the web.
>
> Also, on Dr. Weil's website, he talks about a herbal treatment for asthma called Indian Tobacco (Lobelia inflata). You mix three parts tincture of lobelia with one part tincture of capsicum (red pepper, cayenne pepper). Take 20 drops of the mixture in water at the start of an asthma attack, and repeat every 30 minutes for a total of 3 to 4 doses.
>
> Try to keep moisture in your room, particularly when you sleep. If you can bring a mister or vaporizer to work, you may want to consider that as well. I used to get really bad bronchitis and chest congestion, and I had a vaporizer going all the time, especially when I was sleeping. The moisture, I believe, is very important. My best friend has really, really bad asthma, and when he had a bad attack he would turn the shower on hot, hot, hot and sit on the edge of the tub breathing in the steam to open up his broncial tubes (since he refused to use an inhaler). Drinking teas such as mullein and fenugreek can help as well.
>
> As for the sudafed, there is no caution on the package for asmatics, however, those with thyroid disease should use with caution and check with their doctor before using. I remember you mentioning that you had thyroid disease, so be careful with the Sudafed.
>
> Take care Kara. I hope you find some relief soon.
>
> Tamara
>
>
> > I've been having problems breathing. I think that asthma is involved which is then triggering panic disorder. From what I've been observing, I think that the trigger is dry hot air. I know that sounds strange but that is listed in articles I've read as a possible cause of this problem and it seems to match what I've been experiencing.
> >
> > What are good alternative and traditional treatments for this - both in terms of acute help and prevention? Can Sudafed help in the short- term? If so, can I take this if I've been taking 2.5 mg. of selegiline with DLPA? I actually took that for the last time this past Sunday (4 days ago).
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm really panicking here.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kara
Thanks Tamara for answering me so quickly. I read Dr. Weil's advice in a book of his I have at home. It's several years old so I went to his website to see if there was any updated info. I couldn't find that information about lobelia inflata until I actually did a search on it. Otherwise I never would have found it there. You'd think he'd have it come up when you searched on "asthma". Now I'm trying to find a place that actually carries it. It's quite hard to find.As for the colloidal silver, I found some articles that said it wasn't kosher - that it's a scam in terms of usefullness for asthma. The testimonials seem to be from the companies selling it. OTOH, it seems there are always those who are crying foul about natural remedies. I don't know. Are you going to try it for your sinus problems?
Keeping moisture in the air is important. I know that the dryness is adding to my problem.
I wonder why the sudafed is dangerous if you have thyroid disease. I had read that recently too. I have a feeling that warning may be geared more towards those with hyperthryoid since their symptoms are already like the side effects from the ephedrine and the ephedrine could make them much worse. I haven't taken any though. That stuff scares me. Coffee is helping somewhat instead.
I read in another post of yours that you had started taking Vitex. I'm really curious to see how you fare on that. I considered taking it years ago but was afraid with my fibroids. I have read in different places that it is estrogenic and in others that it is more progesterone like. It's interesting that you say it's more of a balancer. That would explain the discrepancy in what I had read. Someone on the main board recently posted something about Vitex being very dopaminergic and therefore the best antidepressant he's ever taken. I was really surprised to read that. Could he have been talking about something else? It didn't make any sense to me. Did you read that post or thread? I would be very curious to see if you get a strong anti-depressant effect from it.
Anyway, thanks again.
Talk to you later,
Kara
Posted by verne on December 9, 2004, at 23:13:42
In reply to URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic, posted by KaraS on December 9, 2004, at 14:18:11
Kara,
Have you tried a negative ion machine? Seems like they are getting bad press lately (not sure why) but whenever I use mine I sleep better. I have a niece with asthma who uses one and seems to benefit.
I know that when I travel by air, I feel awful later and my throat is often sore or scratchy. Airplane air has zero negative ions.
A water fountain is a natural way to create negative ions. Indoor models are becoming more affordable all the time.
Hope you get to the bottom of your problem and feel better soon.
verne
Posted by GeishaGirl on December 10, 2004, at 1:35:54
In reply to Re: Also re: asthma and panic, posted by KaraS on December 9, 2004, at 14:53:05
Hi Kara,
Sorry, I forgot about this one when I mentioned asthma stuff before. Someone mentioned mullein. I know someone who has a case of asthma worse than mine. She actually told me that she found that *smoking* mullein was more effective than drinking it as a tea. Seems odd, but true. I tried it a couple of times, and it really does work well. She says that there are others who smoke it, as well.
Take care,
Geisha Girl
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 7:16:21
In reply to URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic, posted by KaraS on December 9, 2004, at 14:18:11
> I've been having problems breathing. I think that asthma is involved which is then triggering panic disorder. From what I've been observing, I think that the trigger is dry hot air. I know that sounds strange but that is listed in articles I've read as a possible cause of this problem and it seems to match what I've been experiencing.
>
> What are good alternative and traditional treatments for this - both in terms of acute help and prevention? Can Sudafed help in the short- term? If so, can I take this if I've been taking 2.5 mg. of selegiline with DLPA? I actually took that for the last time this past Sunday (4 days ago).
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm really panicking here.
>
> Thanks,
> KaraKara, selegiline exacerbates my own asthma, so maybe there's a link to that drug.
There are three supplements that I know can have a direct effect on asthma, and those are magnesium, niacinamide, and NADH.
Low magnesium will make bronchospasm more likely, and persistent. Low magnesium also increases histamine release.
Niacinamide directly antagonizes histamine release from mast cell degranulation, so I think this could also be a symptomatic treatment.
It was pure coincidence, potentially, but during my trial of NADH in '03, I had virtually no symptoms of either inhalant allergies or asthma. That was totally unprecedented in more than thirty years of suffereing therefrom. See: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030802/msgs/247722.html
I hope you feel better soon.
Lar
Posted by jujube on December 10, 2004, at 9:52:01
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » jujube, posted by KaraS on December 9, 2004, at 22:52:23
I haven't tried the Colloidal Silver for my sinuses yet. I found a natural nasal spray that I am using now (along with steaming my face), and it seems to be helping. If the spray poops out on me, I will consider trying the Colloidal Silver. I am sure, however, that my sinuses would clear up even more if I quit smoking. That is the next addiction I have to overcome, hopefully in the next couple of months.
You are probably right about the Sudafed being dangerous for those with hyperthyroid due to the pseudoephedrine. In an old natural medicine book I have, I read that ephedrine and pseudoephedrine are two important alkaloids of the herb Ma Huang. Ma Huang has been used for 1000s of years to treat asthma, flu and even arthritis. So, I would suspect that Sudafed, which is essentially pseudoephedrine, could be useful for your asthma condition since both ephedrine and pseudoephedrine clear up mucous and open clogged breathing passages as well as stimulate the central nervous system. Perhaps you could try to find Ma Huang tincture and try that instead of the Sudafed. The only reason I stay away from Sudafed these days is because I, as strange as it sounds, abused it for a number of years. I used it everyday, three or four times a day. I had bad sinuses, but it also gave me extra energy.
I saw the post about the guy that was using Vitex. At first I, too, thought that it must be a prescription med. Then I re-read his post and he mentioned that the Vitex he was using was herbal and he got it at a natural supplement store. So, it must be the same stuff. I saw the conflicting info about it working on estrogen and in another place it said it worked on progesterone. Then I read that it works on the pituatary gland and suppresses the secretion of prolactin. I found a lot of good info by Ray Sahelian, with results of studies and everything. Here's the website if you are interested in having a look:
http://raysahelian.com/chasteberry.html
I will let you know how I do on it. It's too soon to tell right now since it's only been a few days. I had read somewhere, however, that some women notice a difference in 10 days, with ultimate results being obtained after about three months. Something else I read that might interest you is that one of the symptoms of estrogen dominance is asthma. You probably already knew that however. But I was surprised. It might explain the wheezing I experience during my PMS.
Anyways, I hope you find a natural remedy for your asthma problem. Get steaming, and try to sleep with a vaporizing going. It really helps me.
Take care, and talk to you soon.
Tamara
Posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 11:24:34
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 7:16:21
> > I've been having problems breathing. I think that asthma is involved which is then triggering panic disorder. From what I've been observing, I think that the trigger is dry hot air. I know that sounds strange but that is listed in articles I've read as a possible cause of this problem and it seems to match what I've been experiencing.
> >
> > What are good alternative and traditional treatments for this - both in terms of acute help and prevention? Can Sudafed help in the short- term? If so, can I take this if I've been taking 2.5 mg. of selegiline with DLPA? I actually took that for the last time this past Sunday (4 days ago).
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm really panicking here.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kara
Larry,
> Kara, selegiline exacerbates my own asthma, so maybe there's a link to that drug.This problem started before the selegiline. I had read in one of your posts that selegiline exacerbated your asthma so I was reticent to try the selegiline. I was taking only a small amount of it (2.5 mg.) most days so I'm not sure how much, if any, affect it had on the problem.
I last took 2.5 mg of it on Sunday. Is it safe to assume that it will be completely out of my system by now or in a week's time? I don't want to take anything now that might interact with it esp. ephedrine or an MAOI.
> There are three supplements that I know can have a direct effect on asthma, and those are magnesium, niacinamide, and NADH.
>
> Low magnesium will make bronchospasm more likely, and persistent. Low magnesium also increases histamine release.I increased my magnesium last night to 500 mg. of the citrate version. That should be enough, no?
> Niacinamide directly antagonizes histamine release from mast cell degranulation, so I think this could also be a symptomatic treatment.I also remember you saying that niacinamide does this from previous posts so fortunately I ordered it a little while back and received it yesterday. I will start on it today. It should also calm my panic down (hopefully). (500 mg., 4x a day right? - along with a B-complex?)
> It was pure coincidence, potentially, but during my trial of NADH in '03, I had virtually no symptoms of either inhalant allergies or asthma. That was totally unprecedented in more than thirty years of suffereing therefrom. See: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030802/msgs/247722.htmlThat is amazing! Was that on 10 mg. of ENADA sublingually? (or did less suffice?) How long does it take to see the benefits from this and/or the B3 treatment?
If that isn't enough for me, I am wondering about the various medications that a doctor might give me. Taking steroids scares me. Dr. Weil said that Aerobid Inhaler is the best of the steroid inhalers because it has the least amount of systemic involvement. That could be old information by now though.
I wish I knew how much of this is asthma/allergy related and how much is anxiety/panic. I guess I really need to see a good doctor. No easy feat without health insurance.
Lastly,
> I hope you feel better soon.
>
> Lar
>Thanks so much.
K
Posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 11:26:52
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 7:16:21
Also, you're not taking NADH now are you? It ended up making you too irritable right? So are you now taking the inhaled steroids etc.?
Posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 11:32:39
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » KaraS, posted by jujube on December 10, 2004, at 9:52:01
> I haven't tried the Colloidal Silver for my sinuses yet. I found a natural nasal spray that I am using now (along with steaming my face), and it seems to be helping. If the spray poops out on me, I will consider trying the Colloidal Silver. I am sure, however, that my sinuses would clear up even more if I quit smoking. That is the next addiction I have to overcome, hopefully in the next couple of months.
I'll have to look up the info I found on Colloidal Silver and post a link or two so you can see what you think.
Yes, I'm sure that quitting smoking would help a lot of things. (Easier said than done however.)
>
> You are probably right about the Sudafed being dangerous for those with hyperthyroid due to the pseudoephedrine. In an old natural medicine book I have, I read that ephedrine and pseudoephedrine are two important alkaloids of the herb Ma Huang. Ma Huang has been used for 1000s of years to treat asthma, flu and even arthritis. So, I would suspect that Sudafed, which is essentially pseudoephedrine, could be useful for your asthma condition since both ephedrine and pseudoephedrine clear up mucous and open clogged breathing passages as well as stimulate the central nervous system. Perhaps you could try to find Ma Huang tincture and try that instead of the Sudafed. The only reason I stay away from Sudafed these days is because I, as strange as it sounds, abused it for a number of years. I used it everyday, three or four times a day. I had bad sinuses, but it also gave me extra energy.Doesn't it poop-out after regular use and cause rebound symptoms? I would think that Ma Huang would be exactly the same way.
> I saw the post about the guy that was using Vitex. At first I, too, thought that it must be a prescription med. Then I re-read his post and he mentioned that the Vitex he was using was herbal and he got it at a natural supplement store. So, it must be the same stuff. I saw the conflicting info about it working on estrogen and in another place it said it worked on progesterone. Then I read that it works on the pituatary gland and suppresses the secretion of prolactin. I found a lot of good info by Ray Sahelian, with results of studies and everything. Here's the website if you are interested in having a look:
>
> http://raysahelian.com/chasteberry.html
>
> I will let you know how I do on it. It's too soon to tell right now since it's only been a few days. I had read somewhere, however, that some women notice a difference in 10 days, with ultimate results being obtained after about three months. Something else I read that might interest you is that one of the symptoms of estrogen dominance is asthma. You probably already knew that however. But I was surprised. It might explain the wheezing I experience during my PMS.Thanks. Actually I didn't know about estrogen dominance causing asthma. I doubt that would be my problem since I'm menopausal.
> Anyways, I hope you find a natural remedy for your asthma problem. Get steaming, and try to sleep with a vaporizing going. It really helps me.
>
> Take care, and talk to you soon.
>
> TamaraThanks,
K
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 12:07:06
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 11:24:34
> Larry,
>
> > Kara, selegiline exacerbates my own asthma, so maybe there's a link to that drug.
>
> This problem started before the selegiline. I had read in one of your posts that selegiline exacerbated your asthma so I was reticent to try the selegiline. I was taking only a small amount of it (2.5 mg.) most days so I'm not sure how much, if any, affect it had on the problem.I just use my puffers a little bit. Not a biggie, but I tend not to need them in the winter.
> I last took 2.5 mg of it on Sunday. Is it safe to assume that it will be completely out of my system by now or in a week's time? I don't want to take anything now that might interact with it esp. ephedrine or an MAOI.
Long gone.
> > There are three supplements that I know can have a direct effect on asthma, and those are magnesium, niacinamide, and NADH.
> >
> > Low magnesium will make bronchospasm more likely, and persistent. Low magnesium also increases histamine release.
>
> I increased my magnesium last night to 500 mg. of the citrate version. That should be enough, no?You could go higher, but that should be lots.
> > Niacinamide directly antagonizes histamine release from mast cell degranulation, so I think this could also be a symptomatic treatment.
>
> I also remember you saying that niacinamide does this from previous posts so fortunately I ordered it a little while back and received it yesterday. I will start on it today. It should also calm my panic down (hopefully). (500 mg., 4x a day right? - along with a B-complex?)That's the maximum dose I would recommend. Yes, best to make sure that any day you're using niacinamide, you also take B-complex, just to try and anticipate any imbalances.
> > It was pure coincidence, potentially, but during my trial of NADH in '03, I had virtually no symptoms of either inhalant allergies or asthma. That was totally unprecedented in more than thirty years of suffereing therefrom. See: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030802/msgs/247722.html
>
> That is amazing! Was that on 10 mg. of ENADA sublingually? (or did less suffice?) How long does it take to see the benefits from this and/or the B3 treatment?The niacinamide is within twenty minutes.
The NADH was certainly on lesser doses than that. I think later in the trial I was only taking 5 mg 2 or 3 times a week, and that was the oral form.
I have no clue why I'm not taking some right now, considering the asthma thing. Back in a sec.
Ok. Where were we?
> If that isn't enough for me, I am wondering about the various medications that a doctor might give me. Taking steroids scares me. Dr. Weil said that Aerobid Inhaler is the best of the steroid inhalers because it has the least amount of systemic involvement. That could be old information by now though.I know the one I use has systemic effects. C'est le vie. Breathing is a priority.
I never really gave it much thought, but I bet that I should.
Do you see why I like getting into these discussions? I need the proper stimuli to even manage my own self-care. You have no idea how absent-minded I can be.
> I wish I knew how much of this is asthma/allergy related and how much is anxiety/panic. I guess I really need to see a good doctor. No easy feat without health insurance.http://www.marryacanadian.com/
> Lastly,
>
> > I hope you feel better soon.
> >
> > Lar
> >
>
> Thanks so much.
>
> KYou're welcome, hun.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 12:08:18
In reply to Re: Please help me with asthma and panic - also » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 11:26:52
> Also, you're not taking NADH now are you? It ended up making you too irritable right? So are you now taking the inhaled steroids etc.?
I honestly don't know why I stopped using it, but irritability/insomnia was part of the picture, I'm sure. Anything that seems to help me somatically ends up making those issues worse, or so it would seem.
I just took 5 mg.
Lar
Posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 12:17:15
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » KaraS, posted by verne on December 9, 2004, at 23:13:42
> Kara,
>
> Have you tried a negative ion machine? Seems like they are getting bad press lately (not sure why) but whenever I use mine I sleep better. I have a niece with asthma who uses one and seems to benefit.
>
> I know that when I travel by air, I feel awful later and my throat is often sore or scratchy. Airplane air has zero negative ions.
>
> A water fountain is a natural way to create negative ions. Indoor models are becoming more affordable all the time.
>
> Hope you get to the bottom of your problem and feel better soon.
>
> verne
Thanks, VerneI haven't tried a negative ion machine though I'd like to for many reasons. They're supposed to be good for depression also. I just can't afford one now.
Take care. Hope you're doing ok.
Kara
Posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 14:40:33
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 12:07:06
> The niacinamide is within twenty minutes.
Do you take that now as well or only periodically? Obviously it isn't enough for you or you wouldn't need your puffer, no?
>
> The NADH was certainly on lesser doses than that. I think later in the trial I was only taking 5 mg 2 or 3 times a week, and that was the oral form.
>
> I have no clue why I'm not taking some right now, considering the asthma thing. Back in a sec.
>
> Ok. Where were we?
>
> > If that isn't enough for me, I am wondering about the various medications that a doctor might give me. Taking steroids scares me. Dr. Weil said that Aerobid Inhaler is the best of the steroid inhalers because it has the least amount of systemic involvement. That could be old information by now though.
>
> I know the one I use has systemic effects. C'est le vie. Breathing is a priority.
>
> I never really gave it much thought, but I bet that I should.
>
> Do you see why I like getting into these discussions? I need the proper stimuli to even manage my own self-care. You have no idea how absent-minded I can be.Definitely the absent-minded professor. You're too funny!
> > I wish I knew how much of this is asthma/allergy related and how much is anxiety/panic. I guess I really need to see a good doctor. No easy feat without health insurance.
>
> http://www.marryacanadian.com/:-)
> > Lastly,
> >
> > > I hope you feel better soon.
> > >
> > > Lar
> > >
> >
> > Thanks so much.
> >
> > K
>
> You're welcome, hun.
>
> Lar
Posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 15:19:57
In reply to Re: Also re: asthma and panic » KaraS, posted by GeishaGirl on December 10, 2004, at 1:35:54
> Hi Kara,
>
> Sorry, I forgot about this one when I mentioned asthma stuff before. Someone mentioned mullein. I know someone who has a case of asthma worse than mine. She actually told me that she found that *smoking* mullein was more effective than drinking it as a tea. Seems odd, but true. I tried it a couple of times, and it really does work well. She says that there are others who smoke it, as well.
>
> Take care,
>
> Geisha Girl
Hi,I've read about using the tea and the oil for asthma but never heard of smoking it. Sounds hardcore! :-)
Thanks,
K
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 16:39:11
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 14:40:33
> > The niacinamide is within twenty minutes.
>
> Do you take that now as well or only periodically? Obviously it isn't enough for you or you wouldn't need your puffer, no?I need an assistant.
> > Do you see why I like getting into these discussions? I need the proper stimuli to even manage my own self-care. You have no idea how absent-minded I can be.
>
> Definitely the absent-minded professor. You're too funny!You only hear about the difficulties I tell you about. You have no idea.
> > > I wish I knew how much of this is asthma/allergy related and how much is anxiety/panic. I guess I really need to see a good doctor. No easy feat without health insurance.
> >
> > http://www.marryacanadian.com/
>
> :-)Seriously, after three months residency, free health care. Marriage optional.
Lar
Posted by tealady on December 10, 2004, at 17:38:51
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 16:39:11
No easy feat without health insurance.
> > >
> > > http://www.marryacanadian.com/
> >
> > :-)
>
> Seriously, after three months residency, free health care. Marriage optional.
>
> Lar"In addition, I promise to help my new Yankee spouse to adapt to life in the great white north, keeping them safe from (gratuitous) invasion of privacy, and to provide him/her with a reasonable supply of Timbits."
OK..you explained the great white north b4, now what are Timbits!
Jan
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 20:49:37
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » Larry Hoover, posted by tealady on December 10, 2004, at 17:38:51
> No easy feat without health insurance.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.marryacanadian.com/
> > >
> > > :-)
> >
> > Seriously, after three months residency, free health care. Marriage optional.
> >
> > Lar
>
> "In addition, I promise to help my new Yankee spouse to adapt to life in the great white north, keeping them safe from (gratuitous) invasion of privacy, and to provide him/her with a reasonable supply of Timbits."
>
> OK..you explained the great white north b4, now what are Timbits!
> JanWas that on that website? Cute!
We have a donuts and coffee franchise operation called Tim Horton's (after a hockey player). They started marketing bite-sized donut pieces, round bits like the part they cut out of the center of a donut, as Timbits. Great in the car.
Lar
Posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 23:20:41
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 16:39:11
> > > The niacinamide is within twenty minutes.
> >
> > Do you take that now as well or only periodically? Obviously it isn't enough for you or you wouldn't need your puffer, no?
>
> I need an assistant.
>
> > > Do you see why I like getting into these discussions? I need the proper stimuli to even manage my own self-care. You have no idea how absent-minded I can be.
> >
> > Definitely the absent-minded professor. You're too funny!
>
> You only hear about the difficulties I tell you about. You have no idea.
>
> > > > I wish I knew how much of this is asthma/allergy related and how much is anxiety/panic. I guess I really need to see a good doctor. No easy feat without health insurance.
> > >
> > > http://www.marryacanadian.com/
> >
> > :-)
>
> Seriously, after three months residency, free health care. Marriage optional.
>
> Lar
And I wouldn't have to feel embarrassed by our foreign policy ... think I'll pack my bags!
Posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 23:23:02
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » Larry Hoover, posted by tealady on December 10, 2004, at 17:38:51
Posted by KaraS on December 12, 2004, at 1:31:01
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 16:39:11
> > > The niacinamide is within twenty minutes.
I only took 250 mg. and it really calmed me down while making it easier to breathe. It really took away the panic. It was amazing. I definitely won't need any benzos now. Are there any contraindications or drug interactions with this that you know of?
The only downside is that it made me tired. This would be an incredible sleeping pill for me too. I can't tolerate Benadryl but there would be no need to with B3 on hand. I wonder if I drank coffee with it or took a sudafed if that would allow me to feel more awake while also serving as bronchodilators.
Also, I've read that long-term antihistamine use can cause or worsen depression. I wonder if that would apply to long-term B3 intake?
Thanks so much for suggesting this to me!
K
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 12, 2004, at 10:34:10
In reply to Re: WOW! Niacinamide really works! » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on December 12, 2004, at 1:31:01
> > > > The niacinamide is within twenty minutes.
>
> I only took 250 mg. and it really calmed me down while making it easier to breathe. It really took away the panic. It was amazing. I definitely won't need any benzos now.<grinnage>
> Are there any contraindications or drug interactions with this that you know of?
Nope. Toxic effects have never been reported, to my knowledge, at doses less than 3000 mg/day.
> The only downside is that it made me tired.
It does that to me, too. I know I ought to listen to myself more often.....NADH and niacinamide make a nice combination. As do NADH and TMG (trimethylglycine).
> This would be an incredible sleeping pill for me too. I can't tolerate Benadryl but there would be no need to with B3 on hand. I wonder if I drank coffee with it or took a sudafed if that would allow me to feel more awake while also serving as bronchodilators.
Sounds like you have some experiments to do.
> Also, I've read that long-term antihistamine use can cause or worsen depression. I wonder if that would apply to long-term B3 intake?
I wouldn't worry about it. If you keep your approach to self-treatment intuitive and symptom-driven, I think you just learn how to deal.
> Thanks so much for suggesting this to me!
>
> KYou're very welcome. And thanks for affirming that my advice is sometimes helpful.
Lar
Posted by KaraS on December 12, 2004, at 14:21:53
In reply to Re: WOW! Niacinamide really works! » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on December 12, 2004, at 10:34:10
> > > > > The niacinamide is within twenty minutes.
> >
> > I only took 250 mg. and it really calmed me down while making it easier to breathe. It really took away the panic. It was amazing. I definitely won't need any benzos now.
>
> <grinnage>
>
> > Are there any contraindications or drug interactions with this that you know of?
>
> Nope. Toxic effects have never been reported, to my knowledge, at doses less than 3000 mg/day.
>
I wonder if it would be a problem to take this with an MAOI or close in time to an MAOI. Some antihistamines can't be taken with them, can they? ... or is it just the decongestants?> > The only downside is that it made me tired.
>
> It does that to me, too. I know I ought to listen to myself more often.....NADH and niacinamide make a nice combination. As do NADH and TMG (trimethylglycine).So the NADH counters the tiredness you feel from the niacinamide? I tried NADH but it didn't give me any energy or stimulation. (That darn malfunctioning dopamine system of mine - notice I didn't say hypersensitive autoreceptors?) :-)
> > This would be an incredible sleeping pill for me too. I can't tolerate Benadryl but there would be no need to with B3 on hand. I wonder if I drank coffee with it or took a sudafed if that would allow me to feel more awake while also serving as bronchodilators.
>
> Sounds like you have some experiments to do.Definitely, now that i know that it's safe to do.
> > Also, I've read that long-term antihistamine use can cause or worsen depression. I wonder if that would apply to long-term B3 intake?
>
> I wouldn't worry about it. If you keep your approach to self-treatment intuitive and symptom-driven, I think you just learn how to deal.Ok, I'll buy that.
>
> > Thanks so much for suggesting this to me!
> >
> > K
>
> You're very welcome. And thanks for affirming that my advice is sometimes helpful.
>
> Lar
Well, we don't call you "Hoover, Larry Hoover" for nothing!K
Posted by jujube on December 12, 2004, at 15:04:11
In reply to Re: WOW! Niacinamide really works! » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on December 12, 2004, at 10:34:10
And thanks for affirming that my advice is sometimes helpful.
>
> Lar- Your advice has certainly always been helpful to me (and, by extension, my family). I now have my anxious, worry-wart mother taking niacinimide (500 mg at day), and she has noticed that she is feeling calmer.
So, gros merci milles fois!
Tamara
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