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Posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 13:56:45
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe-, posted by Dinah on December 9, 2013, at 13:08:18
> But I am head explodingly angry with the fact that you get a pass to post things like...
Let It Be.
To me, things have progressed far beyond the irrational so as to become comical. This is sad. It is fun to watch, though.
Were we to be watching a match of wits and stamina, Dr. Hsiung is not faring very well against Lou Pilder. I do not believe that either party has formed a working theory of the mind of the other. It is almost as if both people have Aspergers Syndrome. (I believe the DSM V has discontinued this diagnosis in favor of a model in which Aspergers symptomatology is contained in an autistic spectrum).
Is Dr. Bob prejudicial in his treatment of Lou Pilder for feelings of kindredship with a fellow Aspergers suffer? I don't know. For all I know, maybe the JDL or UJA are involved.
Dr. Hsiung is reaping what he sows. I told him. He wouldn't listen. Others have told him, too.
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on December 9, 2013, at 14:05:10
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe- » Dinah, posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 13:56:45
I know.
But you have no idea how offensive it is to me, as someone with a great enough liking for Judaism to twice try to convert, to be continually accused of anti-semetism.
One of the things that struck me in the description of INTP is that we are relatively easy-going until one of our fundamental values are violated.
My fundamental values have been violated here for some time. It is unspeakably offensive to me to be told that it's ok for sh*t to be thrown, because it's good for us to learn to not care about sh*t being thrown at us.
It is unspeakably offensive to me that Twinleaf is blocked for a far lesser offense than Lou has been committing for some time.
Babble is becoming unspeakably offensive to me, however much I care for Babblers. I need to leave. At least for a while, and hopefully for longer than a while.
Thanks, Scott.
Posted by 10derheart on December 9, 2013, at 14:15:16
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe- » SLS, posted by Dinah on December 9, 2013, at 14:05:10
I understand. Completely.
I try so hard to apply the fruits of the spirit to all this, yet I repeatedly fail.
A bitter, bitter pill composed of unfairness, injustice, and egregious incivility is what we are being asked to stomach, and I just will not. Especially not in the name of some kind of {eyes rolling} "teachable moments."
I'll choose my own teachers for these moments and they won't include among them Lou Pilder or Dr. Bob.
(((Dinah)))
Posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 14:22:50
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe- » Dinah, posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 13:56:45
> It is almost as if both people have Aspergers Syndrome.
"Dinah, do you have PTSD?"
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055672.html
Let me rephrase:
Dr. Bob, do you have Aspergers?
- Scott
Posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 14:27:07
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe- » SLS, posted by Dinah on December 9, 2013, at 14:05:10
> I know.
>
> But you have no idea how offensive it is to me, as someone with a great enough liking for Judaism to twice try to convert,OMG <big smile>.
> to be continually accused of anti-semetism.
That is one of things happening here that motivates me to keep posting stuff on Administration.
> I need to leave. At least for a while, and hopefully for longer than a while.
OMG <real tears>
- Scott
Posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 14:29:05
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe- » Dinah, posted by 10derheart on December 9, 2013, at 14:15:16
> (((Dinah)))
(((10derheart - Dinah - Scott)))
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on December 9, 2013, at 21:06:20
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe-, posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 14:29:05
Twinleaf and Lar also were blocked. Anyone feel Dr Bob is cleaning house? Phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 10, 2013, at 2:14:10
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe-, posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 14:22:50
> My fundamental values have been violated here for some time. It is unspeakably offensive to me to be told that it's ok for sh*t to be thrown, because it's good for us to learn to not care about sh*t being thrown at us.
>
> DinahYou consider me to be violating your values because I'm allowing Lou to post whereas you wouldn't? I could accept that. Reasonable people can disagree.
I didn't intend to imply that you shouldn't care. What I meant to say was that you (and not just you) might benefit from learning how to more effectively shield yourself. To keep yourself from being hurt. One can be nice and dry under an umbrella and still hate the rain.
--
> Dr. Bob, do you have Aspergers?
>
> SLSWould it matter if I did?
Bob
Posted by SLS on December 10, 2013, at 2:28:02
In reply to Re: shielding oneself, posted by Dr. Bob on December 10, 2013, at 2:14:10
> > Dr. Bob, do you have Aspergers?
> >
> > SLS
>
> Would it matter if I did?
>
> BobI don't understand your question. Could you be more specific?
- Scott
Posted by SLS on December 10, 2013, at 3:07:39
In reply to Re: shielding oneself » Dr. Bob, posted by SLS on December 10, 2013, at 2:28:02
> > Dr. Bob, do you have Aspergers?
> Would it matter if I did?
Would it matter if I had bipolar disorder?
I still don't understand your question. If you would be kind enough to answer mine, I could use your answer as a template that I could work with to answer yours.
It does matter to me personally that I communicate with you more effectively. Knowing that your thought and behavioral styles are best understood as emergent in a psychobiological environment of Aspergers Syndrome could enhance communication. Of course, disclosure could leave you more easiliy targeted by those who would use ignorance and stigma to further their agendas at your expense.
If you did have Aspergers and decided to disclose this information on Psycho-Babble, what might be the advantages of this action?
If you did have Aspergers and decided to disclose this information on Psycho-Babble, what might be the disadvantages of this action?
If I were in your position, I would disclose very little personal information. Still, I am motivated to ask questions that might yield to me knowledge and understanding.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on December 10, 2013, at 3:21:36
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe- » Dinah, posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 13:56:45
> To me, things have progressed far beyond the irrational so as to become comical. This is sad. It is fun to watch, though
Is this uncivil to say? I know that it is not very pretty to look at, and I don't think that things are so comical and fun to watch at the moment. I wish that I hadn't written this, but I remain incredulous at how Psycho-Babble is being managed by its owner.
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on December 10, 2013, at 4:10:43
In reply to Re: shielding oneself, posted by Dr. Bob on December 10, 2013, at 2:14:10
> You consider me to be violating your values because I'm allowing Lou to post whereas you wouldn't? I could accept that. Reasonable people can disagree.
No. Did I say anything about allowing Lou to post? My issue is allowing him to post things no one else would be allowed to post. You don't even give him a PBC.
Has he threatened you with legal action? Why is Lou so allfire special?
I've shown my therapist previous posts by Lou, even before this reprehensible latest. He couldn't even believe you allowed those. I can't imagine he'd want me anywhere near a place that allows intimations of violence towards me, without sanction.
Well, if this is a homeless shelter that only protects the homeless, I hope you're happy when everyone you don't consider homeless walks off. And I gotta tell you, Dr. Bob. Even homeless shelters don't allow their inmates to threaten others on their premises. So that isn't a fair comparison. This is more like a prison ward, where all those not incarcerated or armed guards can safely be on the premises.
I remember when Babble was considered a place to serve all those dealing with mental health issues. Clearly that is no longer the case. When I was a deputy, I wouldn't have even considered protecting one person, while allowing threats of violence against other people. That is so far beyond my comprehension I can't even grasp the concept of allowing it. Even my bastard middle school teachers drew the line with threats of bodily harm, much less kidnapping and execution.
I agree with Scott that this has gone beyond bizarre. Possibly into medical negligence. But I don't find it particularly amusing. Will this be part of your next research papers? What is the topic? Changing the moderation of an internet bulletin board? Changing the target population of an internet bulletin board? Seeing how far you need to go to drive off the most loyal of your board members? Deciding how many people it's ok to harm to protect one person?
I'm literally shuddering, literally convulsively trembling, from distress, and crying even after a Risperdal. You are hurting me, Dr. Bob. But maybe you should hurl some more sh*t at me and see if I make it through the crucible or crack in the furnace.
You disgust me, Dr. Bob.
And I disgust myself. Anyone with a modicum of self respect wouldn't ever come to a site where they are threatened with the full knowledge and implied consent of the moderator.
Posted by Dinah on December 10, 2013, at 4:22:45
In reply to Re: shielding oneself, posted by Dr. Bob on December 10, 2013, at 2:14:10
And I have to say, shielding myself against Lou is not my biggest problem. Shielding myself against the fact that you are aiding and abetting abuse towards me and towards 10der and towards others is something I will never ever be able to do.
You are abusing us by providing an environment where abuse is allowed, even encouraged.
I wouldn't even want to try to shield myself from that. Why should I?
Posted by Dinah on December 10, 2013, at 4:31:02
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe- » Dinah, posted by SLS on December 9, 2013, at 14:27:07
Scott, I want to say that I appreciate your support. I also appreciate your civility and your wisdom and your dedication to Babble.
I'd be happy to keep in touch. If you don't have my email address (which hasn't changed), I think you know those who know my email address. I know your babblemail isn't on.
Posted by Dinah on December 10, 2013, at 4:53:12
In reply to Re: shielding oneself » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on December 10, 2013, at 4:10:43
In case I confused anyone.
> Why can't I be included in the net of protection that Lou has with you? (You can't deny that you give him protection from other posters.)
(Dr. Bob's Reply) >> Think of me as a homeless shelter. You can't be included because you're not homeless.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/psycho/20130930/msgs/1055858.html
Posted by SLS on December 10, 2013, at 16:43:51
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe- » SLS, posted by Dinah on December 10, 2013, at 4:31:02
> Scott, I want to say that I appreciate your support. I also appreciate your civility and your wisdom and your dedication to Babble.
>
> I'd be happy to keep in touch. If you don't have my email address (which hasn't changed), I think you know those who know my email address. I know your babblemail isn't on.I would like that. I turned on my Babblemail.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on December 10, 2013, at 16:45:34
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe-, posted by SLS on December 10, 2013, at 16:43:51
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 16, 2013, at 10:34:05
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe-, posted by Dinah on December 9, 2013, at 12:48:45
> Lou, nobody need post anything to induce hatred of Lou Pilder. You've done a fine job of that yourself.
Friends,
The claim against me as you can see above is part of a much more body of psychological tactics that are used here that may be unbeknownst to you. I intend to expose how this site can promote hatred toward the Jews and other faiths that are not Christiandom based. You will see for yourself how hatred can be manipulated into the minds of readers by the tactics used here as you see for yourselves right here in this post. The claim by Dinah could be understood by a subset of readers that what I post here is doing a fine job of inducing hatred of me. There is not specified as to what I have posted here that induces hatred to me as the poster claims. This could mean that anything that I post here is what induces hatred of me. That could mean that what I post here in my attempts to have the statements that put down Jews and other faiths be notated by Mr Hsiung as not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and that those statements in question are not in accordance with Mr Hsiung's drafted rule to not post what could put down those of other faiths. I do not know the subset of readers that could hate me for posting my objections to anti-Semitism allowed to be considered by a subset of readers as supportive and will be good for this community as a whole on the basis that Mr Hsiung states that he does what will be good for this community as a whole and does not wait to sanction statements that could put down those of other faiths because he states that one match could start a forest fire.
So I see the claim by Dinah here as a false statement about my character that could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings against me. I intend to show you how the psychological aspect of {projection} fits into this matter here and how psychological manipulation or influence against me can be fostered here. Be advised that the God that I give service and worship to, which is the same God that the Jews also do, is a Sun and a Shield. But no shield can protect one from being attacked from behind.
My overriding concern here is that readers could be indoctrinated by seeing Dinah's false claim about me here, for I will show you that any hatred toward me here could be a result of readers being steered to hate Jews and me as Jew by that there are statements that are anti-Semitic being allowed to stand here and Mr. Hsiung states that he does what will be good for this community as a whole so there could be a subset of readers that trust him at that in regards that anti-Semitic statements are allowed to stand here will be good for this community as a whole and could then be against me for wanting anti-Semitic statements to be stopped, for as long as those statements are considered civil here, then others could post even analogous statements that could further arouse hatred toward the Jews and others and me as a Jew here.
And worse, since Dinah's claim against me here is allowed, a subset of readers could think that Mr. Hsiung is validating the libel of me which could steer the perception of me and advance, promote and foster the interests of anti-Semitism and hatred toward other faiths outside of Christiandom.
Lou
Posted by SLS on December 16, 2013, at 11:03:33
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-Lou's respons to Dinah's claim » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on December 16, 2013, at 10:34:05
> > Lou, nobody need post anything to induce hatred of Lou Pilder. You've done a fine job of that yourself.
> The claim by Dinah could be understood by a subset of readers that what I post here is doing a fine job of inducing hatred of me.
Okay. I think Dinah has expressed her regrets for having posted such things. Unfortunately, she seems to have chosen to leave Psycho-Babble, so
What percentage of people on Psycho-Babble would you guess hate you?
What would you guess are the most common reasons why people might hate you?
I am vehement in my disagreement with you on many issues. However, this does not make me hateful of you as a person.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 16, 2013, at 14:51:14
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe- » Dinah, posted by 10derheart on December 9, 2013, at 14:15:16
> I understand. Completely.
>
> I try so hard to apply the fruits of the spirit to all this, yet I repeatedly fail.
>
> A bitter, bitter pill composed of unfairness, injustice, and egregious incivility is what we are being asked to stomach, and I just will not. Especially not in the name of some kind of {eyes rolling} "teachable moments."
>
> I'll choose my own teachers for these moments and they won't include among them Lou Pilder or Dr. Bob.
> (((Dinah)))Friends,
There are a lot of psychological tactics being used here that could be unbeknownst to you. But be it as it may be, they are plainly visible to me I intend to expose those tactics here so that you could be saved from the harm that could come to you unless you are educated concerning those tactics.
The poster states that "we" are being asked to stomach something. The "we" could be you, but what is to stomach is not specified as to what the unfairness is, or what the injustice is, or what the incivility is.
By the nature of that it is not specified in the post here as to what it is that one is to stomach, anything could be in speculation as to what those things are that you are asked to stomach. This could lead a subset of readers to think that my efforts here to get Mr. Hsiung to post to statements that put down Jews and other faiths be notated in a way so that readers could know that those statements are not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and they are not in accordance with Mr. Hsiung's drafted rule to not post what could put down those of other faiths.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 16, 2013, at 15:25:05
In reply to Lou's response- Lou's Little Shoppe-gaztro » 10derheart, posted by Lou Pilder on December 16, 2013, at 14:51:14
> > I understand. Completely.
> >
> > I try so hard to apply the fruits of the spirit to all this, yet I repeatedly fail.
> >
> > A bitter, bitter pill composed of unfairness, injustice, and egregious incivility is what we are being asked to stomach, and I just will not. Especially not in the name of some kind of {eyes rolling} "teachable moments."
> >
> > I'll choose my own teachers for these moments and they won't include among them Lou Pilder or Dr. Bob.
> > (((Dinah)))
>
> Friends,
> There are a lot of psychological tactics being used here that could be unbeknownst to you. But be it as it may be, they are plainly visible to me I intend to expose those tactics here so that you could be saved from the harm that could come to you unless you are educated concerning those tactics.
> The poster states that "we" are being asked to stomach something. The "we" could be you, but what is to stomach is not specified as to what the unfairness is, or what the injustice is, or what the incivility is.
> By the nature of that it is not specified in the post here as to what it is that one is to stomach, anything could be in speculation as to what those things are that you are asked to stomach. This could lead a subset of readers to think that my efforts here to get Mr. Hsiung to post to statements that put down Jews and other faiths be notated in a way so that readers could know that those statements are not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and they are not in accordance with Mr. Hsiung's drafted rule to not post what could put down those of other faiths.Friends,
What is plainly visible here involves the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung along with my efforts have anti-Semitic statements and others that put down other faiths to be notated by Mr. Hsiung according to his rule to not post what could put down those of other faiths. This has historical parallels that I am prohibited by Mr. Hsiung from posting here that involve {propaganda} and the furtherance of such.
This is all a part of what I would like to educate you about if it is unbeknownst to you.
Psychologists write about when groups attack the victim for wanting accountability from those in power that abuse their power by discrimination, segregation, deliberate indifference and other related tactics that could cause harm to not only the victim, but those in concert with the one practicing those tactics and other tactics. I will expose to you what is known by psychologists as {reversing the victim with the offender} by the use of {blaming the victim} tactic.
In a sound mental-health setting, people discuss important topics until they are resolved and there is a search for a solution. In the tactic of {psychological repression}, there are prohibitions so that the topic could become {taboo}, or there becomes the tactic of {denial}, or even worse, libeling the victim.
Here you can see what is being said to me. There is much more to this so I am asking that you wait for me to post more, for I think that it could go a long way in preventing suicides, addictions and life-ruining conditions if you learn from me.
Lou
Posted by alexandra_k on December 16, 2013, at 15:39:59
In reply to Lou's response- Lou's Little Shoppe-lrnfrme, posted by Lou Pilder on December 16, 2013, at 15:25:05
> Psychologists write about when groups attack the victim for wanting accountability from those in power that abuse their power by discrimination, segregation, deliberate indifference and other related tactics that could cause harm to not only the victim, but those in concert with the one practicing those tactics and other tactics. I will expose to you what is known by psychologists as {reversing the victim with the offender} by the use of {blaming the victim} tactic.
> In a sound mental-health setting, people discuss important topics until they are resolved and there is a search for a solution. In the tactic of {psychological repression}, there are prohibitions so that the topic could become {taboo}, or there becomes the tactic of {denial}, or even worse, libeling the victim.
> Here you can see what is being said to me. There is much more to this so I am asking that you wait for me to post more, for I think that it could go a long way in preventing suicides, addictions and life-ruining conditions if you learn from me.i followed that. you are trying to help.
it does frighten me how the group can turn on someone who is a bit different / who they feel they can't control.
i'm not saying that that is what is happening here, but i feel that groups have turned on me and i have empathy for you that it often seems to me that there are many voices here of people trying to change you.
i guess you remind me that people can be fickle with their allegience. not to... trust too much? not to... depend to much? perhaps you remind me that it is better for me to diversity my social supports.
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 16, 2013, at 16:11:31
In reply to Re: Lou's response- Lou's Little Shoppe-lrnfrme, posted by alexandra_k on December 16, 2013, at 15:39:59
> > Psychologists write about when groups attack the victim for wanting accountability from those in power that abuse their power by discrimination, segregation, deliberate indifference and other related tactics that could cause harm to not only the victim, but those in concert with the one practicing those tactics and other tactics. I will expose to you what is known by psychologists as {reversing the victim with the offender} by the use of {blaming the victim} tactic.
> > In a sound mental-health setting, people discuss important topics until they are resolved and there is a search for a solution. In the tactic of {psychological repression}, there are prohibitions so that the topic could become {taboo}, or there becomes the tactic of {denial}, or even worse, libeling the victim.
> > Here you can see what is being said to me. There is much more to this so I am asking that you wait for me to post more, for I think that it could go a long way in preventing suicides, addictions and life-ruining conditions if you learn from me.
>
> i followed that. you are trying to help.
>
> it does frighten me how the group can turn on someone who is a bit different / who they feel they can't control.
>
> i'm not saying that that is what is happening here, but i feel that groups have turned on me and i have empathy for you that it often seems to me that there are many voices here of people trying to change you.
>
> i guess you remind me that people can be fickle with their allegience. not to... trust too much? not to... depend to much? perhaps you remind me that it is better for me to diversity my social supports.
>
> Alexandra_k,
You wrote,[...I can follow that, you are trying to help...].
Let us look at these two posts and then go on..
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1014620.html
and,
[ faith, 1003212 ]
Posted by Moishe Pipik on December 17, 2013, at 11:32:15
In reply to Lou's reply-- Lou's Little Shoppe- » alexandra_k, posted by Lou Pilder on December 16, 2013, at 16:11:31
The old Aesop fable about false alarms that many of us are familiar with from childhood. I think the lessons apply quite well here, and the fable is much simpler than the complicated sturm and drang that's contained in this thread.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 17, 2013, at 17:25:56
In reply to Lou's reply-- Lou's Little Shoppe- » alexandra_k, posted by Lou Pilder on December 16, 2013, at 16:11:31
> Let us look at these two posts and then go on..
I read the first post (the link to the second didn't show up - also I think it is better for me to stay away from the faith board).
It was a nice post.
I don't like feeling like part of a minority oppressed group. People have been trying to get me into the spirit of supporting 'women in philosophy' since we are minority there. also in physics... chemistry... engineering...
I kind of feel like the harms occurred long ago...
But then sometimes it becomes apparent to me that I perhaps do not thrive or flourish in the present philosophical community perhaps in part because historically there haven't been many women in philosophy and if current philosophical practice is perhaps more hostile to women than it would have been if historically there had been more women.
I don't know.
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